People have scrutinized what chatgpt for example is allowed and not allowed to say by its programmers. I think the difference here is that there is lower hanging fruit to grab because the Chinese state has a different relationship to censorship than a lot of other states.
I also associate Sinophobia with being prejudiced against Chinese people or Chinese culture, however being critical or skeptical of the Chinese state is actually perfectly reasonable. I’m also very critical of the US state and this isn’t because I’m “americaphobic” or some nonsense.
Totally agree. Saying that “any criticism of the Chinese government is sinophobic” is the same as saying that “any criticism of Israel’s government is antisemitic.”
Welcome to the internet, you must be new. Keep scrolling through new here and you should see some pretty common jokes about the falliability of AI of various flavors. Criticism of the weighting on training models can be found with just slightly more effort.
According to Baidu and most of .ml, absolutely nothing. It was a perfectly normal day of getting emulsified by tanks. There are no unhappy people in China, and they have the CCTV recordings to prove it!
Don’t distract. I knew where exactly in the Chinese capital this square is when I was six years old. Your accusation that I must be some ignorant American who can’t find anything on a world map is wrong on both accounts.
Once again: What happened there? I want an honest answer from you.
We’re talking about developments in AI tech, and you want to make it about Tiananmen Square .
Please don’t use whataboutism to distract from the core issue here. DeepSeek follows the Chinese government’s rules, meaning it has biases intentionally built-in to spread misinformation and propaganda by the Chinese Communist Party. You may read my comment and the source in in this thread.
There’s nothing sinophobic here. The linked article on China’s AI policy cites an official Chinese source. It comes directly from the Chinese government.
In addition to @DdCno1@beehaw.org’s comment, this is not ‘only’ about biases we all have. It is about intentionally built-in propaganda supporting Chinese state narratives. As I wrote already in this thread, the Chinese government outlined its plan regarding AI in its so-called “AI Capacity Building and Inclusiveness Plan”. It reads:
[Chinese] Government rhetoric draws a direct line between AI exports and existing initiatives to expand China’s influence overseas, such as Xi Jinping’s signature Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) and Global Development Initiative (GDI). In this case, the more influence China has over AI overseas, the more it can dictate the technology’s development in other countries […]
[According to the Chinese government] AI must not be used to interfere in another country’s internal affairs — language that the PRC has invoked for as long as it has existed, both to bring nations of the global south on board in China’s ongoing efforts to seize Taiwan and to deflect international criticism of its human rights record […]
Saying that “everyone is doing it” is called hypernormalization and a common propaganda technique used by autocratic regimes like Russia and China. It’s meant to instill feelings of hopelessness and indifference. It is also usually extremely dishonest, since it relies on false equivalencies (like in this case) and/or comparing current state crimes with past state crimes of others.
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One thing to be kept in mind, though:
https://youtu.be/4RQkl6qcwPY
verified this myself with the 1.1b model
Lol
This is pathetic Sinophobia.
Please explain how this is Sinophobic.
Innovation from other countries is not subjected to similar scrutiny
@zante@slrpnk.net
This is simply not true.
People have scrutinized what chatgpt for example is allowed and not allowed to say by its programmers. I think the difference here is that there is lower hanging fruit to grab because the Chinese state has a different relationship to censorship than a lot of other states.
I also associate Sinophobia with being prejudiced against Chinese people or Chinese culture, however being critical or skeptical of the Chinese state is actually perfectly reasonable. I’m also very critical of the US state and this isn’t because I’m “americaphobic” or some nonsense.
Totally agree. Saying that “any criticism of the Chinese government is sinophobic” is the same as saying that “any criticism of Israel’s government is antisemitic.”
Welcome to the internet, you must be new. Keep scrolling through new here and you should see some pretty common jokes about the falliability of AI of various flavors. Criticism of the weighting on training models can be found with just slightly more effort.
So tell me, what happened at that square in 1989?
According to Baidu and most of .ml, absolutely nothing. It was a perfectly normal day of getting emulsified by tanks. There are no unhappy people in China, and they have the CCTV recordings to prove it!
Point to it on a map.
Don’t distract. I knew where exactly in the Chinese capital this square is when I was six years old. Your accusation that I must be some ignorant American who can’t find anything on a world map is wrong on both accounts.
Once again: What happened there? I want an honest answer from you.
Don’t distract ?
We’re talking about developments in AI tech, and you want to make it about Tiananmen Square .
@zante@slrpnk.net
Please don’t use whataboutism to distract from the core issue here. DeepSeek follows the Chinese government’s rules, meaning it has biases intentionally built-in to spread misinformation and propaganda by the Chinese Communist Party. You may read my comment and the source in in this thread.
As you and I recently discovered in another thread, you don’t know whataboutism is, and entire account is dedicated to sinophobic comments .
As are your other accounts.
@zante@slrpnk.net
There’s nothing sinophobic here. The linked article on China’s AI policy cites an official Chinese source. It comes directly from the Chinese government.
Breaking news: AI has the same biases as their creators! More at 11
@RusAD@lemm.ee
In addition to @DdCno1@beehaw.org’s comment, this is not ‘only’ about biases we all have. It is about intentionally built-in propaganda supporting Chinese state narratives. As I wrote already in this thread, the Chinese government outlined its plan regarding AI in its so-called “AI Capacity Building and Inclusiveness Plan”. It reads:
The whole article makes a good read.
[Edit typo.]
Saying that “everyone is doing it” is called hypernormalization and a common propaganda technique used by autocratic regimes like Russia and China. It’s meant to instill feelings of hopelessness and indifference. It is also usually extremely dishonest, since it relies on false equivalencies (like in this case) and/or comparing current state crimes with past state crimes of others.
Yes but also it’s open source soooo
https://huggingface.co/mradermacher/DeepSeek-R1-Distill-Llama-70B-Uncensored-i1-GGUF
Well the uncensored fine tuning dataset is oss
https://huggingface.co/datasets/Guilherme34/uncensor
Much better.
Thank you!