Environmental activists have caused disruptions outside Montreal Trudeau International Airport for three consecutive days protesting Canadian fossil fuel policy.
I was actually going to the airport yesterday, and was wondering why the otherwise 30 minute drive took over an hour, with the lineups already reaching the hwy exit. I was explaining to my relative, that see, Montreal has such little foresight, they couldn’t build a train to reach the airport in fifty years, unlike Toronto and their Union-Pearson express, which makes YYZ a superior departure point.
Little did I know that this was a sit-in by activists. And the First Nation & Eco activists do this stuff in Toronto all the time. As in block the UP / CN lines, so it’s not like that would be exempt from delays either.
All the power to them mind you. I’m just trying to highlight my smugness and bias towards Toronto transit interconnectedness.
Nearly every other developed country on the planet has rail connecting their major airports. It just makes sense. Of course i didn’t bring my personal car with me on the flight. The train is often cheaper than a taxi too.
Glued their hands to the road. My forth thought was solvent which might give them chemical burns.
Then I thought leaving them there for days in the sun to sit in their own filth.
We need your kind of person to show how selfish polluters really are. Disrupting their schedule should be a death sentence for these scumbags. Our convenience is more important than the climate. Our comfort is more important than atmospheric pollution issues. Our schedule is more important than a protester life. Run them over!
Thanks for illustrating the need for violent actions. The average idiot will not listen to peaceful protests.
Thanks for proving the average polluter is a subhuman scum lmao.
Kinda like the average motorist. Being in the way of their air poisonning machine should be a death sentence according to those twats. Can’t wait for retaliation.
I hope they’re still not using epoxy mixed with concrete. I heard some protesters needed to get their fingers amputated. Wonder if peaceful protesting would be an alternative they’d consider…
“I acknowledge that at least some of the concerns motivating you are, at least to some extent, shared by many,” he said.
“But the plain fact is that each of you has some time ago crossed the line from concerned campaigner to fanatic. You have appointed yourselves as the sole arbiters of what should be done about climate change, bound neither by the principles of democracy nor the rule of law.
“And your fanaticism makes you entirely heedless of the rights of your fellow citizens. You have taken it upon yourselves to decide that your fellow citizens must suffer disruption and harm, and how much disruption and harm they must suffer, simply so that you may parade your views.”
What an absolutely tone deaf and patronizing statement. The world is ending but god forbid we inconvenience anyone while trying to do something about it.
“Die in a hole you filthy peasant. Your life is expendable and you won’t be missed when the police gun you down in the climate riots 20 years from now.”
Read it again. You are NOT morally superior. The three people he was writing about are now spending 2, 2, and 3 years in prison because they mistakenly believe that they are absolutely morally superior and that that absolute moral superiority justifies anything that they do to anyone they see as inferior. This is the same mistake that every extremist makes.
I think it’s safe to say that if they gave up their freedom for the cause of trying to save us and our descendants from climate catastrophe then they are absolutely morally superior to both of us. The mistake you make is thinking that the law has a single thing to do with moral superiority, it only deals in financial superiority.
That’s an interesting point but I disagree. They treated thousands other people with utter contempt. That is not the act of someone who is morally superior. It’s absolutely disqualifying.
I really don’t mind if the mildly inconvenienced thousands of people. If in a functioning democracy our powers are threefold - the vote, the media and protest, and peaceful protest by its very nature is a protest that can be ignored, then no change can be affected by non disruptive protest. In my opinion this isn’t disruptive enough. If we treated this climate crisis with the urgency it deserves then we would take a page out of the European book and block highways with concrete bollards.
Make no mistake, our children will burn and we’re worried about missing a flight.
Just as long as they are prepared to answer to the rest of a society who, don’t agree with their methods. The three who the judge in the UK was writing about are spending 2, 2, and 3 years in prison for their protest which showed utter contempt for other citizens.
I’m part of the rest of society and I agree with their methods. I haven’t been propagandized into thinking protests shouldn’t be disruptive (ignorable). They’ve got you thinking minor inconvenience = utter contempt (which for some reason you chose to write two comments in a row), and that for some reason deserves prison time.
Think about it, really, imagine this was coming from someone you respect enough to make you consider changing your mind; should protests that cause no bodily harm be a criminal offence? Should the people not have a way to truly disrupt the system if our existence is at stake? Is the convenience of the ignorant more important than our survival? I’d love to hear your honest answers to these questions.
Poisonning the air is morally wrong, idiot. And thus preventing them to do so is morally right. If you think what the governement does define morality I guess kidnapping native girls is morally ok?
Have you ever been to the Montreal airport? 45 minutes to drive the loop is normal without protesters. It took hours with the protesters. What if someone missed a flight and didn’t get to the hospital to see their dying patent or child for the last time? What if someone missed a court appearance and ended up in prison? There are so many reasons that this protest could cause real, lasting harm to the people who are, “inconvenienced”. I think that the judges words, voices on the ruling where he sentenced the people to two and the hearts in prison for the same sort of protest, really last it out perfectly well. Your comment and the protesters are utterly tone deaf.
Ah yes the famous butterfly effect. What if somebody miss his flight, then get fired, and it turns out the guy is a surgeon and then somebody die, and the guy that dies is actually a cancer scientist that was about to solve AIDS.
Always the same with pollution apologists lmao. You need made up situations to prove your point, unlike the harm your dear holidaymakers are making, which is real.
Okay, lets just keep burning fuel until all of us are harmed by earth’s wrath. Will you show the same sympathy to flood and wildfire victims? Those events are going to happen more frequently if we do not bring an end to climate change. Many currently inhabited places may become too hot or too dry to survive.
I’ve been an environmental activist and protester since the 1970s. I live in a straw bale house that I built with my own two hands and the hands of my family and around 40 volunteers 20 years ago. It has a carbon footprint 80% lower then our neigbors much smaller house. I’ve taught more than 1,000 building officials how to inspect straw bale houses and intervened in over 100 disputes between people wanting straw bale houses and their building officials with a 100% success rate. I have contributed to the reduction of carbon emissions in a very personal and direct way that these fanatics can only dream about in their wettest circle jerk fantasies.
Don’t lecture me, child.
The mistake that these people are making, and that you are making, is the same mistake that ALL extramists make. All extremists believe that they are somehow absolutely superior to everyone else. That superiority may be genetic, racial, religious, sexual, political, ethical, moral, dietary, or any of many other factors. They believe that that absolute superiority justifies anything that they do to anyone who doesn’t share that absolute superiorty. They can self-absolve any transgressing or crime because their goals are pure and the people they are harming are not.
Oh GTFO. You wanna have a conversation like an adult feel free to treat others like equals and be respectful. If you can’t see how you’re acting so fucking smug, there’s no hope for you.
We tell kids, when we talk about straw bale houses, that the fourth pig combined all three of the systems that the first three used, straw for insulation and structural integrity, wood for headers, window framing, and interior walls, and cement (Portland lime) for load bearing skins and fire resistance.
Our walls are 10 times as strong as a 2x6 wall in a vertical load, 6 times as strong in a vertical load, have a 2 hour commercial fire rating, a Catgory 5 missile penetration rating (a 2x4 fired at Categort 5 hurricane speed will not penetrate the wall, and an isolated section R value of 70 with a system R value of 40.
The mistake that these people are making, and that you are making, is the same mistake that ALL extramists make. All extremists believe that they are somehow absolutely superior to everyone else.
Meanwhile, you’re calling people children and acting superior to everyone else.
I’m glad you live in a low-carbon house. Congratulations. Assuming you 80% number is accurate, and applying it to your entire lifetime for all activities, you will save approximately 100 miles of airline travel worth of CO2, assuming your usage is similar to an average American. Great. That’s effectively nothing.
We have to change systems to actually have an impact, not just our own habits. Reducing your output is great and I appreciate it, but stopping there means you have done nothing. We need to stop industries that emit CO2. Average people have very little effect, but their votes and power can change the things that do.
Meanwhile, you’re calling people children and acting superior to everyone else.
They are acting like petulant children. I have never once said that I was superior to anyone. Not a single time. Never. (Go ahead and try to find an instance where I did. You’re mistaking my saying that they/you are not superior for me being superior. They are NOT the same thing.) What I said was that THEY were mistaken about being absolutely morally superior. They are. It is the mistake that all extremists make.
No, you didn’t say you’re superior. You acted like you were superior. Do you not see how calling other people children is implying they’re beneath you? If you don’t then you’re lost. Of course you only recognize when some “other” is doing something wrong but not yourself.
Bitch please. You’re against the only people who are doing something about climate change. Nobody cares about your house work if any idiot can fly to cancoon for the weekend.
The UK is deporting innocent people to fucking Rwanda, lmao.
“I acknowledge that at least some of your concerns are shared by many but since we don’t want to do anything about it because that would mean changing our western week-end-at-the-resort lifestyle, we’ll just put you in prison. Fuck you.”
The UK is deporting innocent people to fucking Rwanda, lmao.
They were. The new government killed that plan on day 1.
“I acknowledge that at least some of your concerns are shared by many but since we don’t want to do anything about it because that would mean changing our western week-end-at-the-resort lifestyle, we’ll just put you in prison. Fuck you.”
“But the plain fact is that each of you has some time ago crossed the line from concerned campaigner to fanatic. You have appointed yourselves as the sole arbiters of what should be done about climate change, bound neither by the principles of democracy nor the rule of law.
“And your fanaticism makes you entirely heedless of the rights of your fellow citizens. You have taken it upon yourselves to decide that your fellow citizens must suffer disruption and harm, and how much disruption and harm they must suffer, simply so that you may parade your views.”
I suspect that it’s very clear to most people at this point that the actions of these fanatics and the whinging, feeble attempts at shaming, insults, name calling, and harassment by fanatics and their apologists online aren’t actually intended to change anyone’s minds. It’s a fanatical circle jerk, as the judge suggested in the quoted ruling.
Who’s talking about changing anyone’s mind, idiot? You think the selfish first-world cunt taking a plane for convenience will “change his mind”? He wont.
The average cannie fuck have the footprint of 8 indians. You ARE the fanatics. And no, idiot, they didn’t “took it upon themselves”. It must stop (unless you’re a denialist, which would not surprise me, you’d at least agree with that) and the government isn’t stopping it, so somebody must do it. Whine harder.
It’s not about the climate. It’s about inconveniencing other people. They use the climate as a fake motivation as it’s the latest coolest thing to care about.
In the best case scenario it’s a false flag operation coordinated by big oil, and these people are just easy prey to play their cause. That way it’s actually an excuse for their behaviour.
Jesus, what a bleak outlook, that people can’t care about something that impacts their lives and it’s just to be popular OR they’re shills. I mean this in the most serious way: please seek the help of a professional psychologist. Your misery, misanthropy, and paranoia aren’t necessary.
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I was actually going to the airport yesterday, and was wondering why the otherwise 30 minute drive took over an hour, with the lineups already reaching the hwy exit. I was explaining to my relative, that see, Montreal has such little foresight, they couldn’t build a train to reach the airport in fifty years, unlike Toronto and their Union-Pearson express, which makes YYZ a superior departure point.
Little did I know that this was a sit-in by activists. And the First Nation & Eco activists do this stuff in Toronto all the time. As in block the UP / CN lines, so it’s not like that would be exempt from delays either.
All the power to them mind you. I’m just trying to highlight my smugness and bias towards Toronto transit interconnectedness.
Nearly every other developed country on the planet has rail connecting their major airports. It just makes sense. Of course i didn’t bring my personal car with me on the flight. The train is often cheaper than a taxi too.
Glued their hands to the road. My forth thought was solvent which might give them chemical burns. Then I thought leaving them there for days in the sun to sit in their own filth.
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We need your kind of person to show how selfish polluters really are. Disrupting their schedule should be a death sentence for these scumbags. Our convenience is more important than the climate. Our comfort is more important than atmospheric pollution issues. Our schedule is more important than a protester life. Run them over!
Thanks for illustrating the need for violent actions. The average idiot will not listen to peaceful protests.
Thanks for proving the average polluter is a subhuman scum lmao.
Kinda like the average motorist. Being in the way of their air poisonning machine should be a death sentence according to those twats. Can’t wait for retaliation.
In Germany the police do this.
Cut them free, charge them, then let them go. I hope he’s left handed. Good luck wiping your own ass!
I hope they’re still not using epoxy mixed with concrete. I heard some protesters needed to get their fingers amputated. Wonder if peaceful protesting would be an alternative they’d consider…
From a recent ruling in the UK.
What an absolutely tone deaf and patronizing statement. The world is ending but god forbid we inconvenience anyone while trying to do something about it.
No, no you misunderstand. Let me translate:
“Die in a hole you filthy peasant. Your life is expendable and you won’t be missed when the police gun you down in the climate riots 20 years from now.”
Read it again. You are NOT morally superior. The three people he was writing about are now spending 2, 2, and 3 years in prison because they mistakenly believe that they are absolutely morally superior and that that absolute moral superiority justifies anything that they do to anyone they see as inferior. This is the same mistake that every extremist makes.
I think it’s safe to say that if they gave up their freedom for the cause of trying to save us and our descendants from climate catastrophe then they are absolutely morally superior to both of us. The mistake you make is thinking that the law has a single thing to do with moral superiority, it only deals in financial superiority.
That’s an interesting point but I disagree. They treated thousands other people with utter contempt. That is not the act of someone who is morally superior. It’s absolutely disqualifying.
I really don’t mind if the mildly inconvenienced thousands of people. If in a functioning democracy our powers are threefold - the vote, the media and protest, and peaceful protest by its very nature is a protest that can be ignored, then no change can be affected by non disruptive protest. In my opinion this isn’t disruptive enough. If we treated this climate crisis with the urgency it deserves then we would take a page out of the European book and block highways with concrete bollards.
Make no mistake, our children will burn and we’re worried about missing a flight.
Just as long as they are prepared to answer to the rest of a society who, don’t agree with their methods. The three who the judge in the UK was writing about are spending 2, 2, and 3 years in prison for their protest which showed utter contempt for other citizens.
I’m part of the rest of society and I agree with their methods. I haven’t been propagandized into thinking protests shouldn’t be disruptive (ignorable). They’ve got you thinking minor inconvenience = utter contempt (which for some reason you chose to write two comments in a row), and that for some reason deserves prison time.
Think about it, really, imagine this was coming from someone you respect enough to make you consider changing your mind; should protests that cause no bodily harm be a criminal offence? Should the people not have a way to truly disrupt the system if our existence is at stake? Is the convenience of the ignorant more important than our survival? I’d love to hear your honest answers to these questions.
They threated thousands of POLLUTERS (thus not people) with utter contempt, which is warranted given the situation.
If you’re still flying for breakfast you deserve to get stuck lmao
Polluters are not people.
Mandella spent 20 years in prison and he was still morally superior, idiot.
Poisonning the air is morally wrong, idiot. And thus preventing them to do so is morally right. If you think what the governement does define morality I guess kidnapping native girls is morally ok?
guy needs to look up the meaning of the word “sole”
Sole.
congratulations?
What did you think he got wrong?
dude. how many protesters and defendants are we talking about? is it more than one?
He was referring to them collectively. In English, “you” can refer to one person or a group of people.
yeah that’s not the word we were talking about?
Yes the harm of being delayed a coupled minutes while siting in a nice climate controled vehicle that has comfy seats and an entertainment system.
Have you ever been to the Montreal airport? 45 minutes to drive the loop is normal without protesters. It took hours with the protesters. What if someone missed a flight and didn’t get to the hospital to see their dying patent or child for the last time? What if someone missed a court appearance and ended up in prison? There are so many reasons that this protest could cause real, lasting harm to the people who are, “inconvenienced”. I think that the judges words, voices on the ruling where he sentenced the people to two and the hearts in prison for the same sort of protest, really last it out perfectly well. Your comment and the protesters are utterly tone deaf.
Ah yes the famous butterfly effect. What if somebody miss his flight, then get fired, and it turns out the guy is a surgeon and then somebody die, and the guy that dies is actually a cancer scientist that was about to solve AIDS.
Always the same with pollution apologists lmao. You need made up situations to prove your point, unlike the harm your dear holidaymakers are making, which is real.
Okay, lets just keep burning fuel until all of us are harmed by earth’s wrath. Will you show the same sympathy to flood and wildfire victims? Those events are going to happen more frequently if we do not bring an end to climate change. Many currently inhabited places may become too hot or too dry to survive.
I’ve been an environmental activist and protester since the 1970s. I live in a straw bale house that I built with my own two hands and the hands of my family and around 40 volunteers 20 years ago. It has a carbon footprint 80% lower then our neigbors much smaller house. I’ve taught more than 1,000 building officials how to inspect straw bale houses and intervened in over 100 disputes between people wanting straw bale houses and their building officials with a 100% success rate. I have contributed to the reduction of carbon emissions in a very personal and direct way that these fanatics can only dream about in their wettest circle jerk fantasies.
Don’t lecture me, child.
The mistake that these people are making, and that you are making, is the same mistake that ALL extramists make. All extremists believe that they are somehow absolutely superior to everyone else. That superiority may be genetic, racial, religious, sexual, political, ethical, moral, dietary, or any of many other factors. They believe that that absolute superiority justifies anything that they do to anyone who doesn’t share that absolute superiorty. They can self-absolve any transgressing or crime because their goals are pure and the people they are harming are not.
They are wrong and you are wrong.
It’s cool that you’re in the well-insulated house business. But we’re still cooking the planet and jet aircraft are bad.
Do not lecture me, child.
Oh GTFO. You wanna have a conversation like an adult feel free to treat others like equals and be respectful. If you can’t see how you’re acting so fucking smug, there’s no hope for you.
I will huff, I will puff, I will blow down your straw bale house.
We tell kids, when we talk about straw bale houses, that the fourth pig combined all three of the systems that the first three used, straw for insulation and structural integrity, wood for headers, window framing, and interior walls, and cement (Portland lime) for load bearing skins and fire resistance.
Our walls are 10 times as strong as a 2x6 wall in a vertical load, 6 times as strong in a vertical load, have a 2 hour commercial fire rating, a Catgory 5 missile penetration rating (a 2x4 fired at Categort 5 hurricane speed will not penetrate the wall, and an isolated section R value of 70 with a system R value of 40.
Cool story bro
I agree with you. They should blow the damn airport instead of being little weak bitches.
You write paragraphs about yourself lmao
Meanwhile, you’re calling people children and acting superior to everyone else.
I’m glad you live in a low-carbon house. Congratulations. Assuming you 80% number is accurate, and applying it to your entire lifetime for all activities, you will save approximately 100 miles of airline travel worth of CO2, assuming your usage is similar to an average American. Great. That’s effectively nothing.
We have to change systems to actually have an impact, not just our own habits. Reducing your output is great and I appreciate it, but stopping there means you have done nothing. We need to stop industries that emit CO2. Average people have very little effect, but their votes and power can change the things that do.
They are acting like petulant children. I have never once said that I was superior to anyone. Not a single time. Never. (Go ahead and try to find an instance where I did. You’re mistaking my saying that they/you are not superior for me being superior. They are NOT the same thing.) What I said was that THEY were mistaken about being absolutely morally superior. They are. It is the mistake that all extremists make.
No, you didn’t say you’re superior. You acted like you were superior. Do you not see how calling other people children is implying they’re beneath you? If you don’t then you’re lost. Of course you only recognize when some “other” is doing something wrong but not yourself.
Another submissive cunt according to whom nothing should be done lmao
Thank you for self-identifying.
Do you self-identify as a kindergarten-level burn, idiot?
How do you expect among to treat you as anything other than an angry child when you act like an angry child? Grow up.
Bitch please. You’re against the only people who are doing something about climate change. Nobody cares about your house work if any idiot can fly to cancoon for the weekend.
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The UK is deporting innocent people to fucking Rwanda, lmao.
“I acknowledge that at least some of your concerns are shared by many but since we don’t want to do anything about it because that would mean changing our western week-end-at-the-resort lifestyle, we’ll just put you in prison. Fuck you.”
They were. The new government killed that plan on day 1.
I suspect that it’s very clear to most people at this point that the actions of these fanatics and the whinging, feeble attempts at shaming, insults, name calling, and harassment by fanatics and their apologists online aren’t actually intended to change anyone’s minds. It’s a fanatical circle jerk, as the judge suggested in the quoted ruling.
Who’s talking about changing anyone’s mind, idiot? You think the selfish first-world cunt taking a plane for convenience will “change his mind”? He wont.
The average cannie fuck have the footprint of 8 indians. You ARE the fanatics. And no, idiot, they didn’t “took it upon themselves”. It must stop (unless you’re a denialist, which would not surprise me, you’d at least agree with that) and the government isn’t stopping it, so somebody must do it. Whine harder.
Have you read this article?
You and the other dorval twats are not entitled to pollute the planet.
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What is a “canine”?
It means something to do with a female dog.
I wish they could figure out a better strategy than making people hate them.
Doesn’t anything less mean they get ignored?
No
It’s not about the climate. It’s about inconveniencing other people. They use the climate as a fake motivation as it’s the latest coolest thing to care about.
In the best case scenario it’s a false flag operation coordinated by big oil, and these people are just easy prey to play their cause. That way it’s actually an excuse for their behaviour.
It’s a self satisfying parade of their absolute moral superiority. It’s a public circle jerk.
Jesus, what a bleak outlook, that people can’t care about something that impacts their lives and it’s just to be popular OR they’re shills. I mean this in the most serious way: please seek the help of a professional psychologist. Your misery, misanthropy, and paranoia aren’t necessary.
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Polluters aren’t people, silly.
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Comfortable protest isn’t protest.
No?
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Polluters aren’t people, silly.
You mean people trying to get to the airport?
No I mean polluters trying to get to the airport.
You know, since they are not people. Plane takers and motorists and other airpoisoners are not people and we should stop threating them as such.
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