While I am also not a huge fan of their DLCs it does actually make sense.
The base game is still a good game many many years after release and it’s even better now than it was at release due to the free updates that come with the paid DLCs. There is also little reason to buy every single DLC at once or at all. You buy the ones with features you like.
And there are obviously sales too. Don’t buy at full price! Everybody knows that.
Historical piracy was never about social justice, especially when you consider that a number of pirates during the 1600-1800s received government’s blessings to operate, so long as they didn’t attack the nation’s ships.
Pirates simply did on sea the same thing highway robbers have been doing on land since the dawn of civilization.
There were also those pirates that were told “alright we don’t need you anymore. Don’t pirate.” And went “well if the agreement is over, I guess we can pirate your ships too!”
Well at least you’re using i2p, I kind of wish more people would. I just don’t like generally using unencrypted communication methods, so discussing even a simple crime like piracy is no bueno for me.
you can pirate games but don’t jerk yourself off about it, you don’t have to justify downloading video games as media preservation to not be a bad person because of it
Look guys, you don’t need to justify your piracy. There is nothing ethically wrong with pirating media.
Anticonsumer practices are justification enough. If someone has a childish response of “uR sTeaLiNg!!”, give them an equally childish retort and tell them to eat your farts.
I’d argue that indeed we do as a community need to justify our actions. Mainstream knowledge and media label us as close to thieves and criminals. People need to realize we just want to share bits and bytes across the internet, and we are stewards of media preservation and freedom of information. As cracking down piracy become normalized, it’s even more important to have a voice in society, and reassure people that what we’re doing is morally grounded
I am with this guy… Piracy generates some of the best corpo cope content
Priceless seeing them getting twisted INA not about it with all of their lawyers and can’t do shot about some poor sucker just watching it without laying daddy the tax hehe
Onion-like routing. It takes multiple hops to get to a destination. Each hop can only decrypt the next destination to send the packet to (i.e. peeling off a layer of the onion).
Would that keep lawyers from just taking the last ip they get for their frivolous law suits? That way I could get a letter for something I actually didn’t download
It’s next to impossible to do this. I think if you read up on the topic you’ll have a better understanding; I’d like to explain more but it’s difficult to do so without knowing your level of expertise, etc.
The TL;DR is that nodes on i2p have no clue which nodes line up with which IP addresses. It’s true that from outside the overly you can see it’s i2p traffic, but you’d need to defeat so many layers of encryption that it’s close to impossible.
You will still always know where the packet last came from, otherwise it could not be routed to you. As I live in germany I have to deal with the threat of lawyers sending letters when they ‘caught you’ torrenting. So if anyone uses this in germany without a vpn and happens to be the last one in the chain they will use it just like they use their current system to claim you pirated stuff because you were uploading stuff through torrents.
If they can’t follow the chain how do they know that you got something illegal? As I understand it the ISP would just see that you got an encrypted Paket from some random IP. Am I mistaking?
By how the protocol is structured, it’s impossible for the address a downloader sees to know what the packet they forward actually contains, so they’re just taking the role of an ISP. Also, they don’t know the original source IP.
I mean, you can be sued for anything, but it will get thrown out. Like, I guess the MPAA could offer a movie for download, then try to sue the first hop they upload a chunk to, but that really doesn’t make any sense (because they offered it for download in the first place). Furthermore, the first hop(s) aren’t the people that are using the file, and they can’t even read it. If people could successfully sue nodes, then ISPs and postal services could be sued for anything that passes through their networks.
And then when they do update the game, and add 20 more dollars of new dlc at the same time, if you’re someone who likes mods, well congratulations. Your installation is ruined and you can’t go back to your saved game(s) without there being some level of headache involved. At this point a high seas version of stellaris would probably be a relief, since there’s no auto updates and all dlcs. But here I am, a sucker who bought like three-quarters of the dlc over the years and can’t even play it because I’ll just be sad my last playthrough got ended prematurely with a dlc release… Fuck Paradox and all their games.
Idk abour other people but i pirate everything first and if its good i buy it. I pirated a bunch of games back in the day and bought the good ones. Terraria, geometry dash, minecraft, etc(can you tell i played on mobile lol)
Dude most of those DLCs for Stellaris are just new parts for customizing the look of your civ. Only 2 actually are like expansions for the game that add more than just aesthetic content.
Not saying you should have bought it over pirating, but like… You could have saved bandwidth by also not getting most of those DLCs at all.
“It’s expensive, but I still want everything, so I pirated it. Seems pretty justified.”
Look, I’ve pirated a ton in my life, but this whole “This is actually a noble pursuit” is such a load of fucking horse shit. We want something and don’t want to pay the price that is required to get it, so we take it. The best part is “preserving” it, because we all know that when this guy is done playing, it will be deleted and he’ll never think of it again.
I’ll eat my hat if that turns out to be a working defence for Disney, so as a reason to pirate, it’s pretty feeble.
Duh?
Hardly. Hollywood is breaking box office records every other month, and the pirating community is very, very small compared to the larger population. Have you looked at video game prices lately? Movie ticket prices? Theyre out of control, seemingly not bothered by piracy in the slightest. Studio lawyers are going after piracy because they have nothing else better to do then pursue every point of revenue increase they possibly can, including going after the small fish.
But you forgot the biggest reason…It’s free.
The large majority of people who pirate couldn’t give a shit about “digital media preservation”. Sure, people all have their own reasons, but to the other commentors point, most people are gonna delete shit right after they listen/play/watch it. Storage space is expensive.
How does this article show it was a valid defence? They withdrew, as they knew it clearly wasnt going to work for them, so im not sure what your point is…
Just because they don’t give a shit about media preservation doesn’t mean they’re not helping towards media preservation by pirating. Just by downloading a torrent you share upload bits of it while you download, even if you stop and delete it after you watch it. And i’d argue, the more people have media, the less likely it will fade away in 100 years.
And also, leechers help in media preservation as well. The more copies there are of media, the more likely it will be preserved well into the future. Even if they dont seed now, just having and spreading copies of media definitely does help in media preservation
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While I am also not a huge fan of their DLCs it does actually make sense.
The base game is still a good game many many years after release and it’s even better now than it was at release due to the free updates that come with the paid DLCs. There is also little reason to buy every single DLC at once or at all. You buy the ones with features you like. And there are obviously sales too. Don’t buy at full price! Everybody knows that.
Actual piracy involves a lot of corpses of mostly innocent sailors, IP violations are a victimless crime.
Good luck
Historical piracy was never about social justice, especially when you consider that a number of pirates during the 1600-1800s received government’s blessings to operate, so long as they didn’t attack the nation’s ships.
Pirates simply did on sea the same thing highway robbers have been doing on land since the dawn of civilization.
Exactly.
Piracy was “tolerated”, because it stole money from competitors.
Even if a pirate lied and only turned over some of the booty to the crown, it still took it from their enemies.
There were also those pirates that were told “alright we don’t need you anymore. Don’t pirate.” And went “well if the agreement is over, I guess we can pirate your ships too!”
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yessir imma ambush my friends about signal soon
I’m so paranoid I would never talk about that over SMS. 😂
Damn I’d talk about it on national tv here in Australia. It’s just piracy, nbd.
Well at least you’re using i2p, I kind of wish more people would. I just don’t like generally using unencrypted communication methods, so discussing even a simple crime like piracy is no bueno for me.
you can pirate games but don’t jerk yourself off about it, you don’t have to justify downloading video games as media preservation to not be a bad person because of it
Look guys, you don’t need to justify your piracy. There is nothing ethically wrong with pirating media.
Anticonsumer practices are justification enough. If someone has a childish response of “uR sTeaLiNg!!”, give them an equally childish retort and tell them to eat your farts.
I’d argue that indeed we do as a community need to justify our actions. Mainstream knowledge and media label us as close to thieves and criminals. People need to realize we just want to share bits and bytes across the internet, and we are stewards of media preservation and freedom of information. As cracking down piracy become normalized, it’s even more important to have a voice in society, and reassure people that what we’re doing is morally grounded
You pirate to preserve media.
I pirate because I like pissing off billion dollar conglomerates.
We are not the same.
I am with this guy… Piracy generates some of the best corpo cope content
Priceless seeing them getting twisted INA not about it with all of their lawyers and can’t do shot about some poor sucker just watching it without laying daddy the tax hehe
I pirate cause I can 🤷♂️ I spend a lot of money on media and gaming, sometimes I’m not $60 interested though lol.
Plz seed.
Hop on i2p! I dl’d it there.
I still don’t know how I2P would be able to mask where the packets go to or come from, even if they encrypt the contents
Onion-like routing. It takes multiple hops to get to a destination. Each hop can only decrypt the next destination to send the packet to (i.e. peeling off a layer of the onion).
So torrenting but it’s on TOR. That sounds like it would be hella slow
Yeah, torrents usually run 100-300KiB/s. I guess not too bad for smaller files. About an hour or three per GB.
Would that keep lawyers from just taking the last ip they get for their frivolous law suits? That way I could get a letter for something I actually didn’t download
It’s next to impossible to do this. I think if you read up on the topic you’ll have a better understanding; I’d like to explain more but it’s difficult to do so without knowing your level of expertise, etc.
The TL;DR is that nodes on i2p have no clue which nodes line up with which IP addresses. It’s true that from outside the overly you can see it’s i2p traffic, but you’d need to defeat so many layers of encryption that it’s close to impossible.
You will still always know where the packet last came from, otherwise it could not be routed to you. As I live in germany I have to deal with the threat of lawyers sending letters when they ‘caught you’ torrenting. So if anyone uses this in germany without a vpn and happens to be the last one in the chain they will use it just like they use their current system to claim you pirated stuff because you were uploading stuff through torrents.
If they can’t follow the chain how do they know that you got something illegal? As I understand it the ISP would just see that you got an encrypted Paket from some random IP. Am I mistaking?
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By how the protocol is structured, it’s impossible for the address a downloader sees to know what the packet they forward actually contains, so they’re just taking the role of an ISP. Also, they don’t know the original source IP.
I mean, you can be sued for anything, but it will get thrown out. Like, I guess the MPAA could offer a movie for download, then try to sue the first hop they upload a chunk to, but that really doesn’t make any sense (because they offered it for download in the first place). Furthermore, the first hop(s) aren’t the people that are using the file, and they can’t even read it. If people could successfully sue nodes, then ISPs and postal services could be sued for anything that passes through their networks.
Fuck paradox DLC pricing
I love paradox games, but the amount of dlc is killing me. I love how they continue to support their games, yes, but damn.
And then when they do update the game, and add 20 more dollars of new dlc at the same time, if you’re someone who likes mods, well congratulations. Your installation is ruined and you can’t go back to your saved game(s) without there being some level of headache involved. At this point a high seas version of stellaris would probably be a relief, since there’s no auto updates and all dlcs. But here I am, a sucker who bought like three-quarters of the dlc over the years and can’t even play it because I’ll just be sad my last playthrough got ended prematurely with a dlc release… Fuck Paradox and all their games.
What are you on about? You can just turn off auto updates or revert back to previous versions.
Book recommendation on “actual piracy”: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/541876.Villains_of_All_Nations
Idk abour other people but i pirate everything first and if its good i buy it. I pirated a bunch of games back in the day and bought the good ones. Terraria, geometry dash, minecraft, etc(can you tell i played on mobile lol)
except geometry dash i woulda guessed pc
Its so much better on pc…
“The complete experience…”
Dude most of those DLCs for Stellaris are just new parts for customizing the look of your civ. Only 2 actually are like expansions for the game that add more than just aesthetic content.
Not saying you should have bought it over pirating, but like… You could have saved bandwidth by also not getting most of those DLCs at all.
Oh frfr
Which ones?
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A bit late if you already told a commercial company about your piracy, as well
“It’s expensive, but I still want everything, so I pirated it. Seems pretty justified.”
Look, I’ve pirated a ton in my life, but this whole “This is actually a noble pursuit” is such a load of fucking horse shit. We want something and don’t want to pay the price that is required to get it, so we take it. The best part is “preserving” it, because we all know that when this guy is done playing, it will be deleted and he’ll never think of it again.
Totally agree. The self aggrandizing, “hero of digital media preservation” thing is getting a bit ridiculous.
Aggrandize deez nuts bro. And being a hero of digital media preservation is only one of the myriad of reasons to pirate, such as
Not accidentally signing away your rights to sue Disney due to forced arbitration when you avail a free trial of Disney+
No drm
Puts economic and financial pressure on the studio to keep games cheap
I’ll eat my hat if that turns out to be a working defence for Disney, so as a reason to pirate, it’s pretty feeble.
Duh?
Hardly. Hollywood is breaking box office records every other month, and the pirating community is very, very small compared to the larger population. Have you looked at video game prices lately? Movie ticket prices? Theyre out of control, seemingly not bothered by piracy in the slightest. Studio lawyers are going after piracy because they have nothing else better to do then pursue every point of revenue increase they possibly can, including going after the small fish.
But you forgot the biggest reason…It’s free.
The large majority of people who pirate couldn’t give a shit about “digital media preservation”. Sure, people all have their own reasons, but to the other commentors point, most people are gonna delete shit right after they listen/play/watch it. Storage space is expensive.
Also, eat your hat, my friend
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/08/disney-stops-claiming-disney-terms-require-arbitration-in-allergy-death-case/
How does this article show it was a valid defence? They withdrew, as they knew it clearly wasnt going to work for them, so im not sure what your point is…
Oh oof
Just because they don’t give a shit about media preservation doesn’t mean they’re not helping towards media preservation by pirating. Just by downloading a torrent you share upload bits of it while you download, even if you stop and delete it after you watch it. And i’d argue, the more people have media, the less likely it will fade away in 100 years.
I just don’t feel like giving Hollywood anymore more money. Fuxk them
That’s all 🐸
This is a much more honest answer, one that I also agree with.
Also not true, i seed in i2p
And also, leechers help in media preservation as well. The more copies there are of media, the more likely it will be preserved well into the future. Even if they dont seed now, just having and spreading copies of media definitely does help in media preservation