Poilievre says Israel hit on Iran nuclear sites would be ‘gift’ to humanity - National | Globalnews.ca
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U.S. President Joe Biden and other world leaders have warned against Israel striking Iran's nuclear facilities over fears of further escalating the Middle East conflict.
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This vibes well with a country that’s the reason the Geneva Convention was made.

acargitz
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This ridiculous guy’s only actual qualification for being the forerunner in the polls is …not having been in power for the last few years. The stupid Canadian custom of just voting for the other guy every other election is going to cost us dearly this time.

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He has been in power in the last few years, just not as prime minister.

This dude falling into a wood chipper would be a gift to humanity.

@Luci@lemmy.ca
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'the fuck is this guy on?

Do you think The Ayatollas possessing nukes is a good thing for the world?

@corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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The Ayatollas possessing nukes

I think we don’t threaten their existence like some shitty warlord. That’s what I think.

What part of Canada are you from where that’s not repugnant behaviour?

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I distinctly remember a nuclear deal. Whatever happened to it.

They actually don’t currently have nukes though.

Iran’s nuclear program is advanced although it lacks atomic-weapons capability, while Israel is considered an undeclared nuclear-weapons power.

This is just irresponsible warmongering from a dude who only has slogans and zero solutions.

Waiting for “Stop the nukes” to be added to his list of single-syllable talking points…

I’m getting flashbacks

Look, we all know the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence: https://youtu.be/2msQwpzatQc

As bad as Israel owning it

Right because the following two things are the same:

  1. A radical Islamist regime that has openly expressed genocidal intent towards the Jewish state, and Jews worldwide, and sponsors Islamist terrorists around the world, and has destabilized the entire Middle East and destroyed countries; and
  2. The world’s only Jewish state with a total population of 9 million people that just wants to be left alone to live in peace but has been forced to fight for its survival since literally the day it declared independence.

Oh, they just wanna be left alone! That makes sense why they committed a genocide and have now instigated war.

What war did they instigate?

I support Jewish people, and the people of Israel. I do not support their ongoing genocide, landgrabs, and invasions.

If you support the genocide of the Palestinian people (note I did not say HAMAS, who can go fuck itself), and Israel seizing their land, then you might be the bad guys.

The only people “supporting genocide” are, ironically, the supposed peace activists who are screaming for intifada and cheering for Hamas and Hezbollah on our streets and college campuses.

Invasions? Do you mean when they retaliated against Gaza AFTER BEING INVADED on Oct 7? Or do you mean retaliating against Hezbollah, AFTER A YEAR OF HEZBOLLAH ROCKETS BEING FIRED INTO ISRAEL? Do you think that Israel should just sit back and let themselves be slowly destroyed attack by attack?

I think there’s a big difference between protecting yourself and your people, and killing 40,000 civilians while whatever the hell this is.

Love to see you have eaten the poised, miss-information campaign about the peace protests.

So, yes, Israel is absolutely committing a genocide. I for one am against genocides, Are you? How many civilians are allowed to death while defending yourself?

Its currently nearly 40:1. Is that ok? if so, what about 80:1? 200:1? 400:1? When is enough enough?

Do you know how many civilians died in WWII protecting the world from the Nazis and Imperial Japan?

And no, Israel is not committing a genocide. Claiming “40,000 dead civilians” doesn’t define a genocide. Besides, a large proportion of those “civilians” were actually Hamas fighters.

It’s frightening how many people just soak up terrorist propaganda. What are you going to bring up next? The alleged hospital bombing? The fake famine? The so-called “Flour Massacre?”

Haha, you have just discovered the strong anti-Western, anti-Israel streak in Lemmy politics. I had to unsubcribe from the news forums because of it. Lemmy politics is pretty much the opposite of Reddit politics, and consciously so.

I’m getting that sense…

“Israel wants to be left alone”

What an absolute load of horseshit, is that why they attacked the fucking UN today, got bored of easy targets like women and children? Sorry I mean Hamas operatives…

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The person you’re arguing with is a Dark Lord of the Sith

Attacked the UN? WTF are you even talking about?

And yes, every single war has been started by Israel’s enemies.

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He’s an 11 day old spam account.

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Left alone, as in “colonize” a bit more on the land they are stealing? Ah but we must understand Israelis, they just need a little Lebensraum to “defend themselves” from the people they stole land from.

Israel just need to “colonize” and expand on other people’s land by killing those already living there. They obviously just want to be left alone doing their “colonizing” and bringing civilization to otherwise barren lands.

I’d show you images of Israel expanding and taking more Palestinian land over the decades but you’ll probably say those are propaganda and that since Palestine is not recognized, killing their people and stealing their land is totally fine and in the line of wanting to be “left alone”.

What land are you referring to?

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If they want to be left alone, they should stop building illegal settlements in the West Bank.

You do realize this conflict predates the settlements, don’t you? By about 50 years. The settlements certainly don’t help the situation, but they are nowhere near a significant root cause of the conflict.

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We don’t need to go back to Abraham’s time. Israel and Palestine came to an agreement 30 years ago. Palestine recognized Israel and in return there was supposed to be a peace process leading to two states in roughly the 1967 borders. But Israelis kept building settlements. At this point they have short of a million settlers living in places such that a contiguous Palestinian state is impossible. This has completely delegitimized the moderate Palestinians as any kind of potent political force and has lead to radicals taking over in Gaza. This is absolutely a significant root cause of the current phase of the conflict.

They spent 30 years building FACTS ON THE GROUND which are now just the facts they have to live with. They shit the bed, didn’t clean up and kept shitting. Now the rest of us are supposed to be empathetic when they act surprised they got sick.

You don’t have a grasp of the history. You make it sound like the Palestinians were actively working towards peace and only became radicalized 30 years ago, which is simply untrue. The Palestinians have been radicalized since Arafat became Chairman of the PLO in the 1960’s. The PLO carried out their first terror attack years before the 1967 war, before Israel even came to occupy Gaza and the WB. The 1948 war was literally a war of annihilation carried out by several Arab countries (and thankfully they lost).

Even Arafat’s supporters blame him for walking away from the negotiating table at Camp David. Peace was in sight and he rejected it. Abbas was offered almost everything in 2008 and again they rejected it. Do you know why? Because they have never been interested in peaceful coexistence with Israel. Never. They have rejected every partition plan and every peace deal because nothing less than all of it is acceptable to them.

Its called an arms race, you build nukes I build nukes.

You seem confused about the history of the conflict. You are also conflating Zionism with Judaism, which are 2 very different things. Israel has never represented all Jewish people and never will, nor are it’s actions done to benefit all Jewish people. The conflation is itself antisemitic. Adi Callai, an Israeli, does a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized (see 29:01) by Zionism during its history.

Origins of Zionism

Zionism is a settler colonialism project that was able to really start with the support of British Imperialism. Zionism as a political movement started with Theodore Herzl in the 1880s as a ‘modern’ way to ‘solve’ the ‘Jewish Question’ of Europe.

Since at least the 1860’s, Europe was increasingly antisemitic and hostile to Jewish people. Zionism was explicitly a Setter Colonialist movement and the native Palestinians were not considered People but Savages by the Europeans. While Zionist Colonization began before it, the Balfor Declaration is when Britain gave it’s backing of the movement in order to ‘solve’ the ‘Jewish Question’ while also creating a Colony in the newly conquered Middle East after WWI in order to exhibit military force in the region and extract natural resources.

That’s when Zionist immigration started to pick up, out of necessity for most as Europe became more hostile and antisemitic. That continued into and during WWII, European countries and even the US refused to expand immigration quotas for Jewish people seeking asylum. The idea that the creation of Israel is a reparation for Jewish people is an after-the-fact justification. While most Jewish immigrants had no choice and just wanted a place to live in peace, it was the Zionist Leadership that developed and implemented the forced transfer, ethnic cleansing, of the native population, Palestinians. Without any Occupation, Apartheid, and ethnic cleansing, there would not be any Palestinian resistance to it.

Herzl himself explicitly considered Zionism a Settler Colonialist project, Setter Colonialism is always violent. The difficulty in creating a democratic Jewish state in an area inhabited by people who are not Jewish, is that enough Palestinian people need to be ‘Transferred’ to have a demographic majority that is Jewish. Ben-Gurion explicitly rejected Secular Bi-national state solutions in favor of partition.

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Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.

The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.

An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.

Settlements, Occupation, and Apartheid

Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.

This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.

The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:

Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:

While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements

The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.

The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.

Apartheid Evidence

Amnesty Report

Human Rights Watch Report

B’TSelem Report with quick Explainer

Visualizing the Ethnic Cleansing

Peace Process and Solution

Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution

How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe

One State Solution, Foreign Affairs

Historian Works on the History

LOL, I’m not the one who is confused about the history of the conflict. You’re the one parroting Soviet antisemitic propaganda, which makes sense given your username. Is Lemmyworld just a hangout for Marxists?

You are delusional. Go ahead, name a single source I used that is ‘soviet antisemitic propaganda’ and explain how. None are, remotely. You are the one doing genuine antisemitism by conflating Israel and Zionism to all Jewish people, so stop.

Zionism is a Settler Colonialist Project. Israel has never represented all Jewish people and never will, nor are it’s actions done to benefit all Jewish people. The conflation is itself antisemitic.

Oh my. So you want me to teach you all about Soviet antisemitism? No wonder there is so much hatred out there. So much bloody ignorance.

Don’t fucking lecture me on what’s antisemitic. Israel is the Jewish state and was the Jewish homeland long, long before Mohammed rode in and built his holy sites on top of the ruins of our temples. Since you have no knowledge of history, you might not even realize that Islam colonized the entire Middle East. But I guess brown people perpetrating colonization and imperialism doesn’t fit your racial Marxist narrative, does it?

Holy shit you people are insane

people that just wants to be left alone to live in peace

Youre exactly like a German in the 30’s drooling about Lebensraum.

Sick genocide supporting fuck.

Nice Holocaust inversion, idiot.

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You know Israel isn’t Canada, right? Polievre is working on CANADIAN politics.

Can you find Canada on a map?

I’m Canadian.

I mean, Canada doesn’t have much to do with the conflict and has a lot of its own problems but yeah, I guess PP being outrageous to get publicity is pretty on brand.

stfu pee pee

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