President-elect Donald Trump's plan to impose 25% tariffs on Canadian and Mexican imports in his first day in office does not exempt crude oil from the trade penalties, two sources familiar with the plan told Reuters on Tuesday. (Reporting By Jarrett Renshaw; Editing by Chris Reese)
“Alberta? Who is she? I bet she is an extremely unattractive woman, I refuse to say that because I always insist on being politically correct." -Trump probably
The environmentalist in me is rather happy to hear this. Frankly, 25% is too low. Trump may be crazy, but if his trade war(s) mean higher prices on fuel for the biggest driver of climate change on the planet, I’ll take it
This will make oil in the USA even more expensive, making alternate yet energy more attractive, and hopefully push us over peak oil. Assuming the USA has a domestic wind/solar industry…
Honestly, I take what brief moments of hope I can get these days… knowing that Danielle Smith will be crying herself to sleep tonight gives me the hope I need.
So if we seal off the BC transmountain pipeline and refuse oil trains service through Quebec could we kill our fucking fossil fuel industry and force green alternatives?
What green alternatives can we force short term? We will need to rely on gas peaker plants still. If we build alot of nuclear they sure, but I don’t know how feasible wind or solar is for us here in Canada for large replacements for our grid to convert consumers over to full electric.
You know, in this context it’s a bit refreshing to see Doug Ford’s reaction to this. Proactively whining at Trump instead of shitting on Trudeau. I’m a bit surprised by his take.
Trump has said Canada and Mexico need to stop drugs and illegal immigrants from crossing into the US to prevent the tariffs. Border security will be pretty easy for her to blame on Trudeau.
I’m probably wrong, but I’ve been speculating if the plan is:
US imposes tariffs on its most valuable trading partners
War in Ukraine “ends”; US stops sending weapons; Ukraine goes to Russia; US possibly threatens to pull out of NATO to accomplish this
Tariffs stay in place for traditional US allies; US helps Russia rebuild economically by becoming its new best good trading buddy, tariff free of course.
If the orange idiot goes through with it I hope the Canadian Government rolls out the list of tarrifs they used last time targeting states that supported this.
I’d also love to see the following on the list of retaliation tactics
Time to invalidate any and all us owned drug patents in Canada, and encourage generic companies to go hog wild
While we are at it reduce maximum damages from IP infringement claims from media agencies to a nominal 20-100 $ fee or lower in response
Regulations on foreign house ownership would be a popular thing to play with just not sure how. But could be funny to see any trump owned or trump family adjacent properties taxed heavily and foreclosed/ eminent domained
The government should also put in place road blocks to refuse to tell the IRS any banking details of any Canadian accounts and tell them to pound sand or take years individually replying manually to any requests to see any US citizen accounts in Canada. Why bother helping them collect taxes.
Also would love to see trump refused entry at the border for the lulz
Anyway hopefully smarter people have appropriate counter measures for this. Tit for tat sucks but hopefully embarrassing/ appropriate retaliatory responses.
Eh spare the IRS, its one of the most functional and least corrupt remaining bits of the US government and Trumps administration already tried to kill it last time.
While I am kind of looking forward to the 💩show in Alberta over this, I just read that the USMCA forbids tarrifs on member countries. So, thanks to Drumpf, he legally cannot impose tarrifs on Canada or Mexico.
Why is that? We would be able to import the US parts needed to build cars domestically as we do today. The tariffs would affect domestic production going back to the States. Even if Canadian autos go belly up because they can’t export to the States, we’d still be able to import US-made vehicles. What am I missing?
Pretty much every car built anywhere in North America has parts from at least 2 of the 3 countries, not to mention China. Sometimes parts end up going across the border multiple times before they end up as a fully assembled car.
No, that kinda fucks over most of us who are just getting by. If someone can’t afford to buy gas how would they be able to afford an EV? We need the prices to drop to a level everyone wants to buy an EV, not make every option cripplingly expensive.
As much as I like electric I’d rather take an old car I can fix myself and get parts for that has a radio. No fucking way am I driving a data mining machine. I also plan to bike alot when I loose weight to ride so that won’t be much of a problem.
sadly iv’e yet to find a bike that can handle my weight without the tires bottoming out, i also need to work on my cardio as i am getting quite out of breath easily from any heavy exertion. Ive been to the cardiologist and he said my heart is fine other than possible bicuspid aortic valve so im not sure what is causing it other than being lazy for too long.
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That’s because he doesn’t understand how economies work. This is the guy that bankrupted a casino.
Alberta loves MAGA Trump. I don’t think Trump loves them back.
“Alberta? Who is she? I bet she is an extremely unattractive woman, I refuse to say that because I always insist on being politically correct." -Trump probably
The environmentalist in me is rather happy to hear this. Frankly, 25% is too low. Trump may be crazy, but if his trade war(s) mean higher prices on fuel for the biggest driver of climate change on the planet, I’ll take it
I think he’s just going to go to Russia for the fuel.
This will make oil in the USA even more expensive, making alternate yet energy more attractive, and hopefully push us over peak oil. Assuming the USA has a domestic wind/solar industry…
I can hardly wait to see how Danielle Smith will blame the tariff on Trudeau…
She just did.
https://lemmy.world/post/22475250
Honestly, I take what brief moments of hope I can get these days… knowing that Danielle Smith will be crying herself to sleep tonight gives me the hope I need.
So if we seal off the BC transmountain pipeline and refuse oil trains service through Quebec could we kill our fucking fossil fuel industry and force green alternatives?
What green alternatives can we force short term? We will need to rely on gas peaker plants still. If we build alot of nuclear they sure, but I don’t know how feasible wind or solar is for us here in Canada for large replacements for our grid to convert consumers over to full electric.
On Arrakis we had desert power but here, in Canada, we must use hydropower.
The river must flow
The beaver who can destroy the flow of the water is the one who truly controls it.
You know, in this context it’s a bit refreshing to see Doug Ford’s reaction to this. Proactively whining at Trump instead of shitting on Trudeau. I’m a bit surprised by his take.
Trump has said Canada and Mexico need to stop drugs and illegal immigrants from crossing into the US to prevent the tariffs. Border security will be pretty easy for her to blame on Trudeau.
I can’t wait for headlines to read: “Cost of living in the US goes up 200% under Trump… administration blames Obama.” /s
Only if corporate isn’t making money from the new regime. Otherwise it’ll be just vibes of cost of living 🔺200%.
Except they’ll just completely leave the “under trump” part out and directly blame Biden.
So Putin’s plan is to wreck the Wests economy
Crab-bucket economics to go with crab-bucket foreign policy
Post-Soviet Russia is such a fuck-up of a nation-state that they only way they can look good is by dragging everyone else down to their level.
I’m probably wrong, but I’ve been speculating if the plan is:
If the orange idiot goes through with it I hope the Canadian Government rolls out the list of tarrifs they used last time targeting states that supported this.
I’d also love to see the following on the list of retaliation tactics
Time to invalidate any and all us owned drug patents in Canada, and encourage generic companies to go hog wild
While we are at it reduce maximum damages from IP infringement claims from media agencies to a nominal 20-100 $ fee or lower in response
Regulations on foreign house ownership would be a popular thing to play with just not sure how. But could be funny to see any trump owned or trump family adjacent properties taxed heavily and foreclosed/ eminent domained
The government should also put in place road blocks to refuse to tell the IRS any banking details of any Canadian accounts and tell them to pound sand or take years individually replying manually to any requests to see any US citizen accounts in Canada. Why bother helping them collect taxes.
Also would love to see trump refused entry at the border for the lulz
Anyway hopefully smarter people have appropriate counter measures for this. Tit for tat sucks but hopefully embarrassing/ appropriate retaliatory responses.
These are all way better than any tariffs we could respond with.
As an American I approve of these right now, you shouldn’t even wait.
Eh spare the IRS, its one of the most functional and least corrupt remaining bits of the US government and Trumps administration already tried to kill it last time.
I like your anti-IP ideas. 🥲
@RandAlThor
While I am kind of looking forward to the 💩show in Alberta over this, I just read that the USMCA forbids tarrifs on member countries. So, thanks to Drumpf, he legally cannot impose tarrifs on Canada or Mexico.
The guy has 34 felony counts on him, as is. What’s one more legal violation, at this point?
But can he illegally impose them?
Maybe. Will he actually do anything he’s talked about? Unlikely.
On the bright side, 99% of Canadians will be immediately priced out of driving a ICE car, so at least we won’t have to worry about that anymore
Why is that? We would be able to import the US parts needed to build cars domestically as we do today. The tariffs would affect domestic production going back to the States. Even if Canadian autos go belly up because they can’t export to the States, we’d still be able to import US-made vehicles. What am I missing?
Pretty much every car built anywhere in North America has parts from at least 2 of the 3 countries, not to mention China. Sometimes parts end up going across the border multiple times before they end up as a fully assembled car.
No, that kinda fucks over most of us who are just getting by. If someone can’t afford to buy gas how would they be able to afford an EV? We need the prices to drop to a level everyone wants to buy an EV, not make every option cripplingly expensive.
It also sucks for people who don’t want to buy a rolling surveillance machine.
As much as I like electric I’d rather take an old car I can fix myself and get parts for that has a radio. No fucking way am I driving a data mining machine. I also plan to bike alot when I loose weight to ride so that won’t be much of a problem.
Riding a bike is a great way to lose weight, so no time like the present!
sadly iv’e yet to find a bike that can handle my weight without the tires bottoming out, i also need to work on my cardio as i am getting quite out of breath easily from any heavy exertion. Ive been to the cardiologist and he said my heart is fine other than possible bicuspid aortic valve so im not sure what is causing it other than being lazy for too long.
What about those fat wheel bikes? They’re more comfortable too. Not great for commuting, but fun to ride around.
Yeah that’s the only thing i haven’t tried yet, but they are quite pricey. Ill have to see if i can save up for something like that.
There are electric conversion kits for certain cars.
Who’s going to print the Trump did this bowser stickers?