So as I look to build my first dedicated media server, I’m curious about what OS options I have which will check all the boxes. I’m interested in Unraid, and if there’s a Linux distro that works especially well I’d be willing to check that out as well. I just want to make sure that whatever I pick, I can use qbittorrent, Proton, and get the Arr suite working
I use Unraid and I’m loving it. Super stable, easy to manage, set up dockers, let’s me pool my hard drives and set up parity. Highly recommend. Only thing that I’ve had a hard time with is finding a stable flash drive - you’d be surprised how many start to fail when used 24/7
The thumb drive isn’t used all the time. I’ve been using a cheap USB drive that cost me like $12 several years ago, and haven’t had any issues yet. It’s been running constantly for the last year or two.
I had an issue recently where my usb drive was “disconnecting” which triggered unraid to give read errors and then panicking. I had checked though and it wasn’t being regularly read or written to but still caused my whole server to crash. Changing usb drive has since fixed it, for now 😄
Unraid would be a very good choice for someone who is reaching out and asking this question. Debian can do the same but I suspect it’ll be easier to setup and manage on unraid.
Came here to suggest unraid as well. There are probably better options, but for a first timer, I can’t imagine a better solution. The ability to just add a hard drive to the array with virtually not configuration, as well as adding up to two parity disks is great. Caching is super easy too.
I use Alma because RHEL is designed for enterprise stability. Debian is also a good option.
Just don’t use Ubuntu. They do too much invisible fuckery with the system that hinders use on a server. For basic desktop use it’s fine, but never for a server.
Edit: but you should be doing most stuff in Docker anyway, so the actual OS isn’t going to matter too much. If you’re already comfortable with one base (Debian, RHEL) just use that one or a derivative.
I wouldn’t use Mint or other desktop-focused OS for a server. Ubuntu’s advantage of newer packages gets largely negated by how long Mint takes to release a new major release, so I’d rather use Debian.
I do think Ubuntu is fine for servers too, like almost any other point release distro.
I’m sure any server oriented Linux distro will do fine. I use Debian.
I will note, I don’t know if you’re planning on having remote access (e.g. through tailscale or reverse proxy), but if you are, I found it quite a challenge to get proton to play nice with them
For a while I split tunneled tailscale through an openvpn .conf file, but recently switched to using qbittorrent in docker with gluetun. Qbittorrent is realistically the only service that needs to be behind a vpn so it works out well
For newcomers I’d recommend docker and images like gluetun for setting up the VPN. It makes it easy to forward ports (for remote access) while keeping the torrent client behind the VPN.
I just recently discovered proxmox and am slowly moving my docker containers off my NAS. Picked up a used Intel NUC, i5-8259, 32gb ram, 512gb HDD. It’s been great so far, very happy with its ability paired with proxmox.
Performance mostly, encoding is better, reducing load on my NAS and using it specifically for storage. Immich performs better as well, it’s pretty resource hungry I found. I also am planning to set up Frigate for home security and that’s the main reason I wanted something with a bit more power.
I wouldn’t use Arch on a Server. Everything you install will probably be in a docker container anyway, so fast updates for system packages isn’t important compared to stability. Good choices would be Debian or Fedora Server. I personally use Fedora but the reason is just that I use Fedora on Desktop too, so I know they have really good defaults (They’re really fast in adopting new stuff like Wayland, Pipewire, BTRFS with encryption and so on) and it’s nice that Cockpit us preinstalled, so I can do a lot of stuff using a WebUI. Debian is probably more stable tho, with Fedora there is a chance that something could break (even though it’s still pretty small) but Devian really just works always. The downside is of course very outdated packages but, as I said, on a Server that doesn’t matter because Docker containers update independetly from the system.
Just wanted to add that Wireguard is better than OpenVPN in every way and you should use that except when you want to use it for torrenting. I don’t know remember the reason but that’s the one time when you should be using OpenVPN. I think it had something to do with OpenVPN supporting TCP and Wireguard being UDP only or something like that.
interesting. proton has example openvpn configs on their site which was hugely helpful to me. dunno if they have wireguard equivalents, or if those are needed.
I’d be weird if they didn’t have Wireguard configs, Wireguard is basically the standard nowadays. It’s faster and safer (the code base is way smaller, so the chance of there being security vulnerabilities is a lot lower and can be fixed more easily).
Looks like they do have both openvpn and wireguard configs. Is it true that for torrenting openvpn is preferred? That’s basically the only reason I use vpn.
I think so. The main reason I use OpenVPN for that is just that that’s what Gluetun uses. You should search that up online tho, I don’t really remember why OpenVPN is better.
Wireguard uses UDP which results in better latency and power usage (e.g. mobile). This does not mean Wireguard can’t tunnel TCP packets, just like OpenVPN also supports tunneling UDP.
As a note: while UDP is preferable for stability/power usage, UDP VPN traffic is often blocked by corporate firewalls (work, public free wifi, etc) and won’t connect at all. I run OpenVPN using TCP on a standard port like 80/443/22/etc to get through this, disguised as any other TLS connection.
Good point. Setting up shadowsocks and tunneling wireguard through is on my to-do list. I believe ss also works over TCP so it should work reliably in filtered networks.
Depends on your experience, hardware, and other stuff.
You could easily use Debian or Ubuntu server and install Docker if all you want is those listed services installed on unRAIDed drives.
You could try something like Dietpi (which is what Ive used since I started self hosting) which simplifies a few things and gives some helpful scripts on top of a basic Debian installation. It’s a simple setup but still just plain ol’ Debian so easy to set up however you like.
You could use something like CasaOS or ZimaOS which offer Web interfaces and integrate with docker for those with a “no tech” background up to technical users.
ProxMox is an option, but takes a lot of learning proxmox-specific stuff and IMO might be a bit overkill for your first server.
Personally, I’d go for something accessible to your tastes because everything nowadays has some kind of “easy setup” path for Plex/Jelly + Arr. Once it’s set up, use it! Then once you need a big change for better hardware or more bespoke software setups then start digging into more fancy setups.
I actually want to prioritise the data protection of some sort of RAID setup, and support for torrenting and whatnot would be secondary to that. Really what I’m trying to avoid is installing and setting up my system only to find out that the OS I’ve picked is terrible for torrenting afterwards.
I have a workable setup on consumer Windows 11 right now, so I see the next step as having a dedicated Media Server box which can give me plenty of storage, data protection (right now a drive failure would wipe out half my server), and room for future expansion. Once that’s sorted, then I’ll look into the Arr suite and more advanced torrenting stuff. I want to pick something good for that stuff now, though, so I don’t have a ton of headache down the road
I think there’s some deffo better OSes than my suggestions for RAID setups and stuff, bar ProxMox. Maybe it is worth you looking into those options!
That being said, any OS can torrent shit just fine. If it can run Docker or other containers (so 99% of suggestions here) you’re set.
Maybe if you can spare the hardware try setting up a RAID on a couple of different ISOs to test em. That’ll be the harder, or more permanent, aspect of the setup I think.
I’m currently playing with setting up a home server on an old PC, using Proxmox as the main OS and using LXC and VMs for the services, not fully set up yet (still working on figuring out reverse proxy to make my services available on the internet)
It’s neat tho, and there’s some helpful scripts for installing various containers and things online.
I would need that because I’m basically starting from zero with learning all this stuff lol. Using Tautulli remotely is a challenge for me right now if that gives any indication of my level of knowledge here
https://community-scripts.github.io/ProxmoxVE/
Check out proxmox, then check out the above scripts and start with the post install script, then something like Ubuntu to get a feel, you can use the other scripts for specific containers
I’ve seen you mention this a few times and like mentioned elsewhere in here, set yourself a Tailnet up.
It’s fugging brilliant, the docs are wrote by some very clever people (note, I am best described as a copy / pasta person?) and are through, and you can use a github or even a Google account for authentication.
Even grabbing a cheapo raspberry pi4 gives you a 1GB port (the rpi3 only has a 100Mbps rj-45 port and would still suffice for lesser needs) for your own VPN Wireguard to home, that is P2P encrypted and can be used as an Exit Node / subnet router
ie: if you’re on someone else’s internet/cellular you can simply hit up your exit node to break out of any nanny filters, stop anyone else noseying at your traffic (obv bar your ISP seeing outgoing requests unless you have a another…VPN on your router), and also view and/or manage any devices on your home network/Tailnet by IP address.
Hell, I dumped a rpi down at a family members house that is part of the “stack” so I can help out remotely but it seems someone has knocked the aerial out of the HAT again :/
I’ve been running my stack on FreeBSD for a while now. I cannot recommend it enough; solid as a rock, no surprises. BSD license is different from GPL though, so some software cannot be migrated with the same name, but there are drop in replacements that are usually better anyway.
I did a quick search, looks like Proton has a WireGuard implementation, which is what I use. I use transmission for torrenting, and jellyfin for streaming
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I have been fighting with Docker and Fedora on these exact items all weekend. Good luck
I’m sure there are better options, but I’m running proxmox as my host and a windows server VM for my suite.
Using debian 12.
I use Unraid and I’m loving it. Super stable, easy to manage, set up dockers, let’s me pool my hard drives and set up parity. Highly recommend. Only thing that I’ve had a hard time with is finding a stable flash drive - you’d be surprised how many start to fail when used 24/7
The thumb drive isn’t used all the time. I’ve been using a cheap USB drive that cost me like $12 several years ago, and haven’t had any issues yet. It’s been running constantly for the last year or two.
I had an issue recently where my usb drive was “disconnecting” which triggered unraid to give read errors and then panicking. I had checked though and it wasn’t being regularly read or written to but still caused my whole server to crash. Changing usb drive has since fixed it, for now 😄
Unraid would be a very good choice for someone who is reaching out and asking this question. Debian can do the same but I suspect it’ll be easier to setup and manage on unraid.
Disk management in unraid is also great.
I have an overkill 128GB SanDisk flash drive I got for 13 dollars and it works great for my 24/7 unraid setup
I’ve heard smaller, older drives are actually more reliable in the long run. USB 2.0 especially because of the lower speed causes less heat
Came here to suggest unraid as well. There are probably better options, but for a first timer, I can’t imagine a better solution. The ability to just add a hard drive to the array with virtually not configuration, as well as adding up to two parity disks is great. Caching is super easy too.
Plus they now support zfs so there’s that.
I use Alma because RHEL is designed for enterprise stability. Debian is also a good option.
Just don’t use Ubuntu. They do too much invisible fuckery with the system that hinders use on a server. For basic desktop use it’s fine, but never for a server.
Edit: but you should be doing most stuff in Docker anyway, so the actual OS isn’t going to matter too much. If you’re already comfortable with one base (Debian, RHEL) just use that one or a derivative.
Would that warning also apply to Mint, since it’s based on Ubuntu, as well as other Ubuntu-based distros?
Probably. I don’t know what Mint or others do under the hood, but I do know they’re definitely targeted at desktop use.
I wouldn’t use Mint or other desktop-focused OS for a server. Ubuntu’s advantage of newer packages gets largely negated by how long Mint takes to release a new major release, so I’d rather use Debian.
I do think Ubuntu is fine for servers too, like almost any other point release distro.
I’m sure any server oriented Linux distro will do fine. I use Debian.
I will note, I don’t know if you’re planning on having remote access (e.g. through tailscale or reverse proxy), but if you are, I found it quite a challenge to get proton to play nice with them
What did you end up using instead? It’s not a necessity, but remote monitoring and access has come in very handy in the past
For a while I split tunneled tailscale through an openvpn .conf file, but recently switched to using qbittorrent in docker with gluetun. Qbittorrent is realistically the only service that needs to be behind a vpn so it works out well
For newcomers I’d recommend docker and images like gluetun for setting up the VPN. It makes it easy to forward ports (for remote access) while keeping the torrent client behind the VPN.
I would also recommend it, and I even tried it when i started, but i just couldn’t get it to work. Probably permission issues
I’m very happy running lxc containers in proxmox
I just recently discovered proxmox and am slowly moving my docker containers off my NAS. Picked up a used Intel NUC, i5-8259, 32gb ram, 512gb HDD. It’s been great so far, very happy with its ability paired with proxmox.
any specific reason why switch?
Performance mostly, encoding is better, reducing load on my NAS and using it specifically for storage. Immich performs better as well, it’s pretty resource hungry I found. I also am planning to set up Frigate for home security and that’s the main reason I wanted something with a bit more power.
This has worked well for me too, for many years now!
I use Alpine Linux for server-based stuff because it’s so light and the packages are kept up-to-date.
Easy, Linux. I prefer Arch based because of AUR.
I wouldn’t use Arch on a Server. Everything you install will probably be in a docker container anyway, so fast updates for system packages isn’t important compared to stability. Good choices would be Debian or Fedora Server. I personally use Fedora but the reason is just that I use Fedora on Desktop too, so I know they have really good defaults (They’re really fast in adopting new stuff like Wayland, Pipewire, BTRFS with encryption and so on) and it’s nice that Cockpit us preinstalled, so I can do a lot of stuff using a WebUI. Debian is probably more stable tho, with Fedora there is a chance that something could break (even though it’s still pretty small) but Devian really just works always. The downside is of course very outdated packages but, as I said, on a Server that doesn’t matter because Docker containers update independetly from the system.
Nah me neither, I had my desktop mindset going there. I use truenas scale, couldn’t be happier.
I dunno what the best is, but if you choose nixos configure openvpn instead of trying to use the protonvpn package.
why? protovpn package has been working fine for me on nixos
edit: nevermind, in a server environment you should configure openvpn (i just use protonvpn on my desktop)
I was maybe doing it wrong, but it never worked for me while openvpn did. Glad it works for someone!
Just wanted to add that Wireguard is better than OpenVPN in every way and you should use that except when you want to use it for torrenting. I don’t know remember the reason but that’s the one time when you should be using OpenVPN. I think it had something to do with OpenVPN supporting TCP and Wireguard being UDP only or something like that.
interesting. proton has example openvpn configs on their site which was hugely helpful to me. dunno if they have wireguard equivalents, or if those are needed.
I’d be weird if they didn’t have Wireguard configs, Wireguard is basically the standard nowadays. It’s faster and safer (the code base is way smaller, so the chance of there being security vulnerabilities is a lot lower and can be fixed more easily).
Looks like they do have both openvpn and wireguard configs. Is it true that for torrenting openvpn is preferred? That’s basically the only reason I use vpn.
I think so. The main reason I use OpenVPN for that is just that that’s what Gluetun uses. You should search that up online tho, I don’t really remember why OpenVPN is better.
Wireguard uses UDP which results in better latency and power usage (e.g. mobile). This does not mean Wireguard can’t tunnel TCP packets, just like OpenVPN also supports tunneling UDP.
I’m using Wireguard succesfully for torrenting.
As a note: while UDP is preferable for stability/power usage, UDP VPN traffic is often blocked by corporate firewalls (work, public free wifi, etc) and won’t connect at all. I run OpenVPN using TCP on a standard port like 80/443/22/etc to get through this, disguised as any other TLS connection.
Good point. Setting up shadowsocks and tunneling wireguard through is on my to-do list. I believe ss also works over TCP so it should work reliably in filtered networks.
I’d assume its probably Linux even if it’s the worst in terms of Proton support but, its not like you need all the bells and whistles.
Yeah I’m not surprised. Weak Proton support sucks, but for a dedicated media server it’s not the priority
Yeah I mean its understandable why Proton does not prioritize Linux but its a bummer.
Depends on your experience, hardware, and other stuff.
You could easily use Debian or Ubuntu server and install Docker if all you want is those listed services installed on unRAIDed drives.
You could try something like Dietpi (which is what Ive used since I started self hosting) which simplifies a few things and gives some helpful scripts on top of a basic Debian installation. It’s a simple setup but still just plain ol’ Debian so easy to set up however you like.
You could use something like CasaOS or ZimaOS which offer Web interfaces and integrate with docker for those with a “no tech” background up to technical users.
ProxMox is an option, but takes a lot of learning proxmox-specific stuff and IMO might be a bit overkill for your first server.
Personally, I’d go for something accessible to your tastes because everything nowadays has some kind of “easy setup” path for Plex/Jelly + Arr. Once it’s set up, use it! Then once you need a big change for better hardware or more bespoke software setups then start digging into more fancy setups.
I actually want to prioritise the data protection of some sort of RAID setup, and support for torrenting and whatnot would be secondary to that. Really what I’m trying to avoid is installing and setting up my system only to find out that the OS I’ve picked is terrible for torrenting afterwards.
I have a workable setup on consumer Windows 11 right now, so I see the next step as having a dedicated Media Server box which can give me plenty of storage, data protection (right now a drive failure would wipe out half my server), and room for future expansion. Once that’s sorted, then I’ll look into the Arr suite and more advanced torrenting stuff. I want to pick something good for that stuff now, though, so I don’t have a ton of headache down the road
I think there’s some deffo better OSes than my suggestions for RAID setups and stuff, bar ProxMox. Maybe it is worth you looking into those options!
That being said, any OS can torrent shit just fine. If it can run Docker or other containers (so 99% of suggestions here) you’re set.
Maybe if you can spare the hardware try setting up a RAID on a couple of different ISOs to test em. That’ll be the harder, or more permanent, aspect of the setup I think.
I’m currently playing with setting up a home server on an old PC, using Proxmox as the main OS and using LXC and VMs for the services, not fully set up yet (still working on figuring out reverse proxy to make my services available on the internet)
It’s neat tho, and there’s some helpful scripts for installing various containers and things online.
I would need that because I’m basically starting from zero with learning all this stuff lol. Using Tautulli remotely is a challenge for me right now if that gives any indication of my level of knowledge here
https://community-scripts.github.io/ProxmoxVE/ Check out proxmox, then check out the above scripts and start with the post install script, then something like Ubuntu to get a feel, you can use the other scripts for specific containers
I’ve seen you mention this a few times and like mentioned elsewhere in here, set yourself a Tailnet up.
It’s fugging brilliant, the docs are wrote by some very clever people (note, I am best described as a copy / pasta person?) and are through, and you can use a github or even a Google account for authentication.
Even grabbing a cheapo raspberry pi4 gives you a 1GB port (the rpi3 only has a 100Mbps rj-45 port and would still suffice for lesser needs) for your own
VPNWireguard to home, that is P2P encrypted and can be used as an Exit Node / subnet routerie: if you’re on someone else’s internet/cellular you can simply hit up your exit node to break out of any nanny filters, stop anyone else noseying at your traffic (obv bar your ISP seeing outgoing requests unless you have a another…VPN on your router), and also view and/or manage any devices on your home network/Tailnet by IP address.
Hell, I dumped a rpi down at a family members house that is part of the “stack” so I can help out remotely but it seems someone has knocked the aerial out of the HAT again :/
Best thing ever.
Mmm good stuff, I’ll have to check out tailscale.
I ended up going with a traefik setup, which works well but more options info is always good.
I’ve been running my stack on FreeBSD for a while now. I cannot recommend it enough; solid as a rock, no surprises. BSD license is different from GPL though, so some software cannot be migrated with the same name, but there are drop in replacements that are usually better anyway.
Software meaning Arr suite, or things like Proton VPN?
I did a quick search, looks like Proton has a WireGuard implementation, which is what I use. I use transmission for torrenting, and jellyfin for streaming
Debian!
Always Debian.