No. The proper term is GEEK. Needs are uncoordinated, awkward, have no fashion sense, and occasionally tape their broken glasses (or say sheepishly, “did I do that?”)
Geeks have in-depth, we’ll researched knowledge on topics that are obscure to the “mundanes”, have intellectual curiosity, and sometimes gain in wealth as a result. In many cases, they tend to make non-geeks (and geeks for other topics) completely befuddled. This sometimes results in insecurity on the part of non-geeks, which negatively impacts their social lives. On rare occasions, such geeks are so over the top smart that they transcend such petty attitudes (see: Neil deGrasse Tyson)
A ton of people. Anything aerospace, DoD, Space, or critical infrastructure. All those industries have to use VHDL to support legacy products from the 80s and 90s. At that point everyone is like, “Sure its 2025, by why switch to SystemVerilog? We already know VHDL.” and thus you got a whole army of engineers making next gen satellites, augmented reality headsets, etc. …… in VHDL 93.
Not really, HDL is HDL. At the end of the day, as long as you know what you want to do electrically then everything else is an exercise of translating that desire into VHDL, Verilog, or SystemVerilog. The only real hassle is creating test-benches and verification simulations. But at that point it’s discretionary towards the designer. A lot of tools coming from Intel, Xilinx, and Synopsys allow you to “black box” components. So a module written in VHDL can be incorporated into a design or test bench written in verilog and vis-versa. IMHO VHDL is still dominant because grey beard chief engineers throw a little hissy fit at design reviews when they learn the junior engineers did everything in verilog.
Tbf, I am not a grey beard chief engineer, and I strongly prefer VHDL for design. For verification I actually really like SystemVerilog.
VHDL is strongly types, which prevents a lot of issues with types that I’ve hit with [System]Verilog.
Also, having learned VHDL first, I think it is easier to go from VHDL to Verilog, as opposed to vice versa. And this is mainly because VHDL is stricter.
I do mostly c/c++ for an embedded product, but one of the modules in the system uses an FPGA programmed w/ VHDL. So I’ve gotten to do a few deep dives into that code in the past couple years.
It’s been decades since I’ve had to write new VHDL or Verilog though.
As a haskell nerd, I feel that I have the moral authority to declare you king of the nerds.
“Ha! You think your language has macros? You call that a macro?! This list processing code is a list of tokens, why wouldn’t it be able to edit itself?”
Absolutely. It’s just that less fuss is being made about it on hacker news because the cool kids say you’ll be a better programmer in other languages if you learn rust when they used to say that you’ll be a better programmer in other languages if you learn haskell.
With stack (consistent package version snapshot database based project starter and build tool) instead of cabal, you get the transferable and repeatable build benefits of docker with none of the hassle. Just stack new at the start and stack build or stack repl during development. Nothing gets bitrotten any more.
I’ve addressed both popularity (waned - rust is the cool new difficult-to-learn principled language now) and bitrottenness (rock solid). I’m not sure what else you were meaning if it wasn’t either of these.
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Javascript should say “you are a masochist and a nerd”
Who thought of that and how have they managed to sustain their core bodily functions this long?
Probably this guy
I take it that he dictated the book to his therapist from a state of paralysis.
with his therapist 🤣
That should be a dog fucking a football.
No. The proper term is GEEK. Needs are uncoordinated, awkward, have no fashion sense, and occasionally tape their broken glasses (or say sheepishly, “did I do that?”)
Geeks have in-depth, we’ll researched knowledge on topics that are obscure to the “mundanes”, have intellectual curiosity, and sometimes gain in wealth as a result. In many cases, they tend to make non-geeks (and geeks for other topics) completely befuddled. This sometimes results in insecurity on the part of non-geeks, which negatively impacts their social lives. On rare occasions, such geeks are so over the top smart that they transcend such petty attitudes (see: Neil deGrasse Tyson)
If you’re programming in assembly, regardless of what it is, you are the biggest nerd of them all. And I have massive fucking respect for you.
What is HTML doing here? Blasphemy!
I am not in this chart because my favourite programming languages are too nerdy for the cool programming nerds to include in their nerd chart.
Super nerd
Turbo Nerd
Therefore I can conclude I am not a nerd
I don’t think that’s how it works.
Same here.
VHDL represent. Although it’s arguably not a “programming language”
I see your VHDL, and raise with Prolog… or Postscript, similar paradigm.
you get out of here with your hardware descriptions!
You work at IBM or something? Who even still uses VHDL?
A ton of people. Anything aerospace, DoD, Space, or critical infrastructure. All those industries have to use VHDL to support legacy products from the 80s and 90s. At that point everyone is like, “Sure its 2025, by why switch to SystemVerilog? We already know VHDL.” and thus you got a whole army of engineers making next gen satellites, augmented reality headsets, etc. …… in VHDL 93.
Is it such a hassle learning verilog if you know vhdl or vice versa?
Not really, HDL is HDL. At the end of the day, as long as you know what you want to do electrically then everything else is an exercise of translating that desire into VHDL, Verilog, or SystemVerilog. The only real hassle is creating test-benches and verification simulations. But at that point it’s discretionary towards the designer. A lot of tools coming from Intel, Xilinx, and Synopsys allow you to “black box” components. So a module written in VHDL can be incorporated into a design or test bench written in verilog and vis-versa. IMHO VHDL is still dominant because grey beard chief engineers throw a little hissy fit at design reviews when they learn the junior engineers did everything in verilog.
Tbf, I am not a grey beard chief engineer, and I strongly prefer VHDL for design. For verification I actually really like SystemVerilog.
VHDL is strongly types, which prevents a lot of issues with types that I’ve hit with [System]Verilog.
Also, having learned VHDL first, I think it is easier to go from VHDL to Verilog, as opposed to vice versa. And this is mainly because VHDL is stricter.
I do mostly c/c++ for an embedded product, but one of the modules in the system uses an FPGA programmed w/ VHDL. So I’ve gotten to do a few deep dives into that code in the past couple years.
It’s been decades since I’ve had to write new VHDL or Verilog though.
Lol, so much of the FPGA industry 🤣. Especially East coast of the US
Nerd.
Fair.
Perl should say: You are old and a nerd or you use Debian
how dare you Im not an engineer
What language is that engineer and a nerd one?
Matlab.
How is your favourite language one that indexes arrays from 1??? You monster!
How dare you count things from one, like a human being.
I beg to disagree. It’s a law of nature to assign index 0 to the 1st th… Wait a moment
Wow I’m an old engineer nerd. I feel so exposed. Zero is nothing always start at one for life.
Where is Objective-C?
TIL fortran has a logo
I know who made this included React and HTML specifically to trigger us programmers, to that I say… well played >:(
As a ruby guy, I’m just happy to be included.
Aww I guess i’m fine since i mainly write in BBC BASIC SDL lol
Have you come to 2025 in a time machine? Can I borrow it?
Sorry I’m using it at the moment doing research for a Roman trading game I’m writing in BASIC.
Well, if Romans will perchance feed you to the lions… we won’t be sad.
Neeerd
Rust: you are a nerd wearing programming socks.
Trying to rewrite everything in the universe
It’s a shame that the Rust rewrite of the GNU coreutils was named uutils and not uwutils.
Lisp gang rise up! uses inhaler
Nah, too relevant, what with LUA, functional programming, currying, and AI, et. al. ;)
I did an AI robot arena bot in college using Lisp. That was interesting.
As a haskell nerd, I feel that I have the moral authority to declare you king of the nerds.
“Ha! You think your language has macros? You call that a macro?! This list processing code is a list of tokens, why wouldn’t it be able to edit itself?”
It breaks my brain.
Is haskell still alive?
Absolutely. It’s just that less fuss is being made about it on hacker news because the cool kids say you’ll be a better programmer in other languages if you learn rust when they used to say that you’ll be a better programmer in other languages if you learn haskell.
With stack (consistent package version snapshot database based project starter and build tool) instead of cabal, you get the transferable and repeatable build benefits of docker with none of the hassle. Just
stack newat the start andstack buildorstack replduring development. Nothing gets bitrotten any more.Nah, I am not talking about hackernews buzz. I just thought it is dying couple of years ago.
I’ve addressed both popularity (waned - rust is the cool new difficult-to-learn principled language now) and bitrottenness (rock solid). I’m not sure what else you were meaning if it wasn’t either of these.
When they said, “Don’t write self modifying code”, they obviously didn’t mean me! /s