It is! One of my best friends who became very vocal against drag queens reading to children and trans kids’ rights has fallen into a deep rabbit hole of alt-right radical conspiracy bs on YouTube. He also started sharing toxic masculinity guru videos in our group chats and videos from Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson for example.
I tried to give him counter arguments with examples and other videos, but when searching for content on YouTube, I had difficulty finding anything because, most of the content when searching for certain keywords, was just videos of alt-right talking heads.
Social media companies like Facebook, Google, Twitter are pushing an alt-right conservative agenda and their conspiracies. It’s pretty appalling.
Shaun also has a notorious video discussing The Bell Curve, which is very, very good. The Bell Curve is a cornerstone of alt-right bullshit, since it’s one of the foundational books for “scientific race realism”: https://youtu.be/UBc7qBS1Ujo?si=YoqG8dJd9g4U8B5h
These should give you at least a starting point, and help you build up a video history that will direct YT’s recommendation engine away from the shit you’re trying to counter.
Hopefully between this and the above comment, we can get your friend on the positive masculinity to progressive pipeline instead of listening to bunch of shit heads.
There is a lot of content out there to challenge the manosphere and it’s grift.
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I don’t know off the top of my head if there’s an episode about parents rights but I bet Cody’s Showdy has something. I know there’s a dedicated Jordan Peterson video which is really quick and easy(it’s actually 3 hours long, but very good)
Social media companies like Facebook, Google, Twitter are pushing an alt-right conservative agenda and their conspiracies. It’s pretty appalling.
Not only pushing it, but targeting it with algorithms that are explicitly designed to take advantage of vulnerable minds. It’s not only appalling, but unethical in every way.
I don’t have any particular advice for dealing with someone going down the nutjob rabbit hole but you might want to watch this: https://youtu.be/4xGawJIseNY?si=3wSkuLQIsi6PnPTT - it does the best job that I’ve seen of breaking down how and why people fall for that garbage.
I read something recently that simply getting the person to stop consuming the stuff works well. Obviously there’s a dopamine hit these things are giving (like most anything we watch) so that’s much easier said than done. I wonder if suggesting you do a challenge together - uninstall/restrict apps for 30 days - and put something on the line like a case of beer.
It’s difficult though, my mom and a brother both fell pretty hard into it (he even got into sovereign citizen stuff).
Isn’t there a Playbook for how to destroy a country and its something like attack the pillars that democracy rests on.
Its something like judicial system, free press, education
If you look at what supports a Democratic system, every single one of them are targeted by either the right or the left. It’s kind of crazy that I saw people who predicted this 15 years ago and now its clear as day.
The pillar of democracy is participation. But I’m not sure anyone actually does that. At best they will participate in the representative hiring process, but even then they will ‘forget’ to actually talk to the person they hired afterwards, thinking the person is a mind reader or something.
What’s there to participate in if the country can’t secure Democratic elections or if the people cant trust the elections are true or if the courts can’t enforce the rules that keep the machine running or if the people lack any kind if shared knowledge that binds them so they are aware how the system runs.
Participation is important in Democratic countries but its not what makes democracy possible. Democracy is only possible when there are key things in place for it to rest on. Subversion is kicking those legs out from under it. Propaganda targets the civilians to do the kicking.
What’s there to participate in if the country can’t secure Democratic elections
A representative democracy makes things easier, saving you the trip to Ottawa, but if you don’t have trust in the representative then the people can make the trip themselves. You do not technically need a secure democratic election for a democracy to function. You do need people to exercise their democratic obligation, though.
But there is nothing to indicate that we manage that last bit, even with a representative system to make it easier. We, meaning a fraction of the population, just pick some dictatorial figurehead to make the decisions for us and then bitch and moan when they didn’t read our minds properly. That is technically enabled by democracy, but totally misses the spirit of democracy.
Parents right like any right come with the responsibility of raising your child correctly. Which I can assure you none of these parents have any intention of doing, just homeschooling and let them watch YouTube kids
I homeschool my kid (properly) for medical reasons, and I did not realize until I tried going to homeschool events how messed up the culture is. I’m in a purple state. It’s so hard to find anyone who homeschools who isn’t bigoted. There are a few, and I’m trying to cultivate relationships with them, but it’s difficult when they’re so few and far between. My county is liberal, but the city in the next county over would be a better fit if we could move or regularly travel an hour away. I don’t want my kid around these bigoted parents. He has good friends who are in public school, but my kid is too young to go to school with his multiple medical conditions (especially considering I’ve personally seen these schools neglect medically fragile kids), so he mostly only gets to see his friends on the weekends.
What right do you like to imagine you have over another human being? Choosing to believe you own a person just because you spit them out is some pretty dark shit.
If your kid doesn’t want to talk to you about their friends, their identity, or their inner life, that’s really on you. You have no right to force them, and if you feel you have to, that just means you’re a shitty person and a bad parent.
Better than the government owning them and keeping secrets from the parents. If one parent is bad, thats one family thats fucked. If the goverenment goes bad, say teaches that clubbing seals is okay, then all the kids are in a bad spot.
Well, lets say the government says genociding the native population is okay, like Canada used to. Parental rights would allow you to homeschool your kids.
Well, what are you trying to say? We all know what the definition of parental rights would be in a vacuum, I think the point of contention here is what could possibly be missing in actual Canadian society.
Our country is a community. To some capacity, every single one of us gives up a level of freedom to be a part of that community and help it prosper.
Positioning and simplifying “parental rights” as “what I say vs what the government says” is exactly the problem. It’s not about you versus the government. If this was actually a matter of parental rights, and not another thinly veiled “fuck Trudeau”, alt-right, anti-human rights conspiracy, this would be about your freedom to instill values that are important to you, your family and your community in your children first abd foremost, even when “simplified”. Being decidedly anti-government would be so far down the list that it should never make the short-hand version.
You do not have a right to teach your children to hate others, and fear expressing themselves, and fuck you for ever suggesting you should.
That commenter doesn’t live in Canada. I recall the username from a post about the 2022 convoy where they weren’t aware they shut down part of Ottawa for weeks.
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It is! One of my best friends who became very vocal against drag queens reading to children and trans kids’ rights has fallen into a deep rabbit hole of alt-right radical conspiracy bs on YouTube. He also started sharing toxic masculinity guru videos in our group chats and videos from Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson for example.
I tried to give him counter arguments with examples and other videos, but when searching for content on YouTube, I had difficulty finding anything because, most of the content when searching for certain keywords, was just videos of alt-right talking heads.
Social media companies like Facebook, Google, Twitter are pushing an alt-right conservative agenda and their conspiracies. It’s pretty appalling.
Zoe Bee had a pretty good video on the Parents Rights stuff, too: https://youtu.be/mNOmFBw1I_M?si=btywuWSuG9ESJefB
And Shaun took on Andrew Tate recently: https://youtu.be/y6_TOFy3k6k?si=wFGX0fOYwinGLtRA
Shaun also has a notorious video discussing The Bell Curve, which is very, very good. The Bell Curve is a cornerstone of alt-right bullshit, since it’s one of the foundational books for “scientific race realism”: https://youtu.be/UBc7qBS1Ujo?si=YoqG8dJd9g4U8B5h
Here’s Unlearning Economics taking on Jordan Peterson and his views on gender discrimination: https://youtu.be/LKc_8fT6pGc?si=px5EupxJ7w3hslTG
Shaun again, this time discussing PragerU: https://youtu.be/EM7BgrddY18?si=NhawD6OoYbwiPr2t
This one’s less direct, but still actually relevant to toxic masculinity and conspiracy mindsets – Thought Slime discussing Gary Vee: https://youtu.be/OVE8J8dwJ5E?si=7h5wEQPsjhMjBd63
Here’s We’re in Hell discussing toxic masculinity in North America: https://youtu.be/MsEmOQeBcRA?si=Vo5S_iDaXlCV6IR4
And getting a little more high level about things, here’s Innuendo Studios (the Alt-Right Playbook guy) discussing the origin of conservatism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4CI2vk3ugk&t=333s which is itself an appendix to his Alt-Right Playbook episode, Always a Bigger Fish
These should give you at least a starting point, and help you build up a video history that will direct YT’s recommendation engine away from the shit you’re trying to counter.
To add on to this already fabulous list:
F.D Signifier on Fresh and Fit being deplatformed. Also covers men who are talking about positive masculinity: https://youtu.be/NH4AGs7x6WY?si=adDALUGWmdrAy2pQ
F.D Signifier has lots of videos about toxic masculinity in the black community.
The Art of Manliness podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@artofmanliness/videos
Waving the Red Flag podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@WavingtheRedFlag/videos
Sisyphus 55’s video “Journey into the Manosphere”: https://youtu.be/lSq3bcyrJY0?si=z7T4ks7dza7EiF9Y
Munecat’s video about debunking the entire manosphere: https://youtu.be/BgO25FTwfRI?si=rWfOS2A6roGNRMkw
The Zatzman’s video “The Existential Horror of Manosphere TikTok”: https://youtu.be/pvZITKjaffw?si=931ngUIafzFw7Ta8
Frank Landry’s video “The Cult of Fresh and Fit”: https://youtu.be/WBsCmYCShqI?si=KR5dGoRToShSyYFw
There is the Lemmy group, Men’s Liberation which is focused on promoting positive masculinity and feminism together: https://lemmy.ca/c/mensliberation
There is Leeja Miller’s video about the manosphere to alt-right pipeline starting https://youtu.be/U-V_xf2gAiI?si=oJ3BHVHXCbC0UQ6O
Meet the anti-Andrew Tates by Hannah Ewens: https://archive.ph/mNtAs
Jason Wilson: https://mrjasonwilson.com
Hopefully between this and the above comment, we can get your friend on the positive masculinity to progressive pipeline instead of listening to bunch of shit heads.
There is a lot of content out there to challenge the manosphere and it’s grift.
These are great, and well focused, too. I’d never heard of Fresh and Fit before, and this is a fascinating introduction to them.
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I don’t know off the top of my head if there’s an episode about parents rights but I bet Cody’s Showdy has something. I know there’s a dedicated Jordan Peterson video which is really quick and easy(it’s actually 3 hours long, but very good)
Edit: here’s their ep titled Who Are The Real Groomers which has some good stuff debunking anti trans rhetoric https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wHva3JXPh0
Edit2: And here’s the brief takedown of Jordan Balthazar Peterson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSNWkRw53Jo
Edit3: Cody, Katy, and Robert Evans have done a lot of work against the ‘manosphere’ and it’s worth digging through their backlogs
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Not only pushing it, but targeting it with algorithms that are explicitly designed to take advantage of vulnerable minds. It’s not only appalling, but unethical in every way.
I don’t have any particular advice for dealing with someone going down the nutjob rabbit hole but you might want to watch this: https://youtu.be/4xGawJIseNY?si=3wSkuLQIsi6PnPTT - it does the best job that I’ve seen of breaking down how and why people fall for that garbage.
I already know without even clicking the link that this is The Alt Right Playbook. Excellent series, well worth watching in its entirety.
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I read something recently that simply getting the person to stop consuming the stuff works well. Obviously there’s a dopamine hit these things are giving (like most anything we watch) so that’s much easier said than done. I wonder if suggesting you do a challenge together - uninstall/restrict apps for 30 days - and put something on the line like a case of beer.
It’s difficult though, my mom and a brother both fell pretty hard into it (he even got into sovereign citizen stuff).
Parents who know best let professional educators do their jobs.
Isn’t there a Playbook for how to destroy a country and its something like attack the pillars that democracy rests on.
Its something like judicial system, free press, education
If you look at what supports a Democratic system, every single one of them are targeted by either the right or the left. It’s kind of crazy that I saw people who predicted this 15 years ago and now its clear as day.
The pillar of democracy is participation. But I’m not sure anyone actually does that. At best they will participate in the representative hiring process, but even then they will ‘forget’ to actually talk to the person they hired afterwards, thinking the person is a mind reader or something.
What’s there to participate in if the country can’t secure Democratic elections or if the people cant trust the elections are true or if the courts can’t enforce the rules that keep the machine running or if the people lack any kind if shared knowledge that binds them so they are aware how the system runs.
Participation is important in Democratic countries but its not what makes democracy possible. Democracy is only possible when there are key things in place for it to rest on. Subversion is kicking those legs out from under it. Propaganda targets the civilians to do the kicking.
A representative democracy makes things easier, saving you the trip to Ottawa, but if you don’t have trust in the representative then the people can make the trip themselves. You do not technically need a secure democratic election for a democracy to function. You do need people to exercise their democratic obligation, though.
But there is nothing to indicate that we manage that last bit, even with a representative system to make it easier. We, meaning a fraction of the population, just pick some dictatorial figurehead to make the decisions for us and then bitch and moan when they didn’t read our minds properly. That is technically enabled by democracy, but totally misses the spirit of democracy.
Parents right like any right come with the responsibility of raising your child correctly. Which I can assure you none of these parents have any intention of doing, just homeschooling and let them watch YouTube kids
I homeschool my kid (properly) for medical reasons, and I did not realize until I tried going to homeschool events how messed up the culture is. I’m in a purple state. It’s so hard to find anyone who homeschools who isn’t bigoted. There are a few, and I’m trying to cultivate relationships with them, but it’s difficult when they’re so few and far between. My county is liberal, but the city in the next county over would be a better fit if we could move or regularly travel an hour away. I don’t want my kid around these bigoted parents. He has good friends who are in public school, but my kid is too young to go to school with his multiple medical conditions (especially considering I’ve personally seen these schools neglect medically fragile kids), so he mostly only gets to see his friends on the weekends.
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Rights to what?
Knowing what your kid is up to and tells other people. You can’t parent properly if you don’t even know what pronouns your kid wants to use.
What does “parenting” mean to you? Because if you were doing it properly, they’d tell you.
Control and punishment, most likely, with a side of indoctrination.
Let them speak and make themselves look dumb. Don’t jump the gun.
Children need rights from their parents, when a child is being abused 9 times out of 10 its the parents.
What right do you like to imagine you have over another human being? Choosing to believe you own a person just because you spit them out is some pretty dark shit.
If your kid doesn’t want to talk to you about their friends, their identity, or their inner life, that’s really on you. You have no right to force them, and if you feel you have to, that just means you’re a shitty person and a bad parent.
Better than the government owning them and keeping secrets from the parents. If one parent is bad, thats one family thats fucked. If the goverenment goes bad, say teaches that clubbing seals is okay, then all the kids are in a bad spot.
Thank you for being so transparent about the fact that your position rests on children being property that are inevitably owned.
Anyone reading this thread can see which side of this issue is the one that cares about fundamental human rights.
Why should children be “owned”?
What exactly are ‘parental rights’?
Simplified, the rights of the parents vs the government.
So, could you define them better? Still a little fuzy on the details.
Well, lets say the government says genociding the native population is okay, like Canada used to. Parental rights would allow you to homeschool your kids.
You can already homeschool your kids, and teach them whatever garbage you want, and many people do.
Yes, I didn’t say otherwise.
Well, what are you trying to say? We all know what the definition of parental rights would be in a vacuum, I think the point of contention here is what could possibly be missing in actual Canadian society.
You’re already allowed to homeschool your kids in Canada, but in your case it would probably disadvantage them.
And honestly that is a fucking dogwhistle of a reason if I ever saw one.
Anything else easily disproven?
He provided a relatable example, not something that is in contention. There was nothing to disprove.
Why do you find reading to be so hard?
You didn’t disprove jackshit, it was an example of parental rights.
Okay - what rights?
Our country is a community. To some capacity, every single one of us gives up a level of freedom to be a part of that community and help it prosper.
Positioning and simplifying “parental rights” as “what I say vs what the government says” is exactly the problem. It’s not about you versus the government. If this was actually a matter of parental rights, and not another thinly veiled “fuck Trudeau”, alt-right, anti-human rights conspiracy, this would be about your freedom to instill values that are important to you, your family and your community in your children first abd foremost, even when “simplified”. Being decidedly anti-government would be so far down the list that it should never make the short-hand version.
You do not have a right to teach your children to hate others, and fear expressing themselves, and fuck you for ever suggesting you should.
The right of moralistic jack off parents to force their close minded views on everyone else’s children.
Feel free to not live in this shithole 😁
That commenter doesn’t live in Canada. I recall the username from a post about the 2022 convoy where they weren’t aware they shut down part of Ottawa for weeks.
And what state do you live in? Please, tell us about the utopia of Alabama or wherever you’re posting from.