What do you use for offsite backup? Since best practice recommends 3 copies on 2 different devices where one device is offsite.
I thought about renting a storage box from Hetzner to use as an offsite backup but I was curious what you are using. And also if there might be some cheaper alternatives to my proposed solution that are equally as easy to setup.
I just keep an encrypted hard drive at work and bring it home to sync once a month/sooner if there’s a bunch of vacation photos we just added to the server or something. External hard drives are cheap nowadays
This is also what I do, weekly. It’s one of the cheapest (cheap SATA drive and USB enclosure, pay once) and most reliable methods, and arguably one of the most secure (the offsite backup drive is also offline most of the time).
A simple script on my desktop sends a desktop notification reminding me to plug the USB drive, once it’s mounted backups get pulled from my servers to the external disk, then I get a notification to unplug the drive and store it away. There’s about 15 minutes every week where all backups are in the same place. To be extra safe, use 2 drives and rotate them each week.
There’s an hosting company in Italy that’s giving unlimited WebDAV via nextcloud plus a free domain name for 25 euro per year. It’s great until they change the TOS and ban me (it’s not explicitly forbidden to use it as a backup storage)
If you have a Windows or Mac machine, Backblaze will give you UNLIMITED backup storage (not B2) for $7 per month. They won’t let you use Linux and they won’t let you back up network drives, because that’s easy to abuse.
So, I have an 8TB drive in my Windows Plex server and shared on the network, and I have every other machine in my house backing up to that network location. Because the drive is local to that one windows machine, Backblaze will back it all up, and any other drives I put on there. I use FileHistory to back up my Windows gaming machine and SyncThing to back up non-Windows machines.
It takes a little work to set up with SyncThing, but I’m pretty sure that’s one of the cheapest ways to back up a shitload of data. And Backblaze recently upgraded the unlimited plan to 1 year of history.
True; B2 is definitely worth the extra money that you would pay for it, and my hacky way of exploiting their consumer backup plan is arguably a sketchy solution, and a waste of my own time. But I’m a cheap-ass, so that’s how I roll. 😆
Onedrive /google drive for immediate stuff.
Other stuff (too big for cloud services) from local to Synology, or simply served from Synology.
Cloudsync from OneDrive/Google drive to Synology. (Periodic verification that things are sync’d this is very important!).
Snapshots on Synology for local ‘oops’ recovery.
Synology hyperbackup to Wasabi for catastrophic recovery. (used to use Glacier for this but it was a bit unwieldy for the amount of money saved - I don’t have that much data)
I’m aware that the loopback from onedrive/Google drive to synology doubles network traffic in the background but, again, I don’t have that much data and a consistent approach makes things easier/safer in the long run. And with more than one computer sharing a cloud drive link, the redundancy/complexity is further diminished. (let the cloud drive experts deal solving race conditions and synchronization/concurrency fun).
This works because every computer I have can plug into the process. Everything ends up on Synology (direct or via onedrive/Google drive) and everything ends up off site at Wasabi.
I very rarely need to touch the Wasabi stuff (unless to test, or because of boneheaded mistakes I make (not often) while configuring things.
It’s a good model (for me), adapts well to almost every situation and let’s me control my data.
I sync OneDrive to my Synology as well, another reason I’m okay with the “double” traffic is that my and my wife’s photos from our smartphones immediately get backed up to our Synology, even when we’re away from home.
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Amazon Glacier
With encrypted backups of course.
I’m using restic and Wasabi.
Backblaze here.
Backblaze is going to be the cheapest for pay as you go s3 as far as I’ve seen
I have a Synology NAS at my parents place and I backup there every night with borg
Are there any backup systems using object storage yet? That seems cheaper than file shares.
I haven’t used it, but restic was mentioned in an earlier backup discussion. It appears to be able to use rclone, which can talk to object storage.
Yep, currently using restic with Backblaze B2 via rclone
I just keep an encrypted hard drive at work and bring it home to sync once a month/sooner if there’s a bunch of vacation photos we just added to the server or something. External hard drives are cheap nowadays
This is also what I do, weekly. It’s one of the cheapest (cheap SATA drive and USB enclosure, pay once) and most reliable methods, and arguably one of the most secure (the offsite backup drive is also offline most of the time).
A simple script on my desktop sends a desktop notification reminding me to plug the USB drive, once it’s mounted backups get pulled from my servers to the external disk, then I get a notification to unplug the drive and store it away. There’s about 15 minutes every week where all backups are in the same place. To be extra safe, use 2 drives and rotate them each week.
Rsync.net with borg
Borgbase
There’s an hosting company in Italy that’s giving unlimited WebDAV via nextcloud plus a free domain name for 25 euro per year. It’s great until they change the TOS and ban me (it’s not explicitly forbidden to use it as a backup storage)
I put my NAS in a location where even if the house burns it is likely to survive. Not perfect, but I figure the.risk is reasonable to take.
Until your NAS is the source of the fire
Like I said, o.think the risk is acceptable .
If you have a Windows or Mac machine, Backblaze will give you UNLIMITED backup storage (not B2) for $7 per month. They won’t let you use Linux and they won’t let you back up network drives, because that’s easy to abuse.
So, I have an 8TB drive in my Windows Plex server and shared on the network, and I have every other machine in my house backing up to that network location. Because the drive is local to that one windows machine, Backblaze will back it all up, and any other drives I put on there. I use FileHistory to back up my Windows gaming machine and SyncThing to back up non-Windows machines.
It takes a little work to set up with SyncThing, but I’m pretty sure that’s one of the cheapest ways to back up a shitload of data. And Backblaze recently upgraded the unlimited plan to 1 year of history.
On the flip side the B2 storage is great, it’s now even an S3 clone
True; B2 is definitely worth the extra money that you would pay for it, and my hacky way of exploiting their consumer backup plan is arguably a sketchy solution, and a waste of my own time. But I’m a cheap-ass, so that’s how I roll. 😆
You can try for linux: https://hub.docker.com/r/tessypowder/backblaze-personal-wine
That’s a neat option, thanks.
Onedrive /google drive for immediate stuff. Other stuff (too big for cloud services) from local to Synology, or simply served from Synology. Cloudsync from OneDrive/Google drive to Synology. (Periodic verification that things are sync’d this is very important!). Snapshots on Synology for local ‘oops’ recovery. Synology hyperbackup to Wasabi for catastrophic recovery. (used to use Glacier for this but it was a bit unwieldy for the amount of money saved - I don’t have that much data)
I’m aware that the loopback from onedrive/Google drive to synology doubles network traffic in the background but, again, I don’t have that much data and a consistent approach makes things easier/safer in the long run. And with more than one computer sharing a cloud drive link, the redundancy/complexity is further diminished. (let the cloud drive experts deal solving race conditions and synchronization/concurrency fun).
This works because every computer I have can plug into the process. Everything ends up on Synology (direct or via onedrive/Google drive) and everything ends up off site at Wasabi.
I very rarely need to touch the Wasabi stuff (unless to test, or because of boneheaded mistakes I make (not often) while configuring things.
It’s a good model (for me), adapts well to almost every situation and let’s me control my data.
I sync OneDrive to my Synology as well, another reason I’m okay with the “double” traffic is that my and my wife’s photos from our smartphones immediately get backed up to our Synology, even when we’re away from home.
Exactly. The best solution is one that is simple, covers almost all scenarios and generally doesn’t require rethinking when new things come along.
I do wish the Apple stuff played a bit more nicely - my wife uses it and it’s honestly the biggest headache of the design.
I use S3 with Kopia and some rules that move things to cheaper tiers as they get older.
Filen
My mate’s home server.