Same man. I realized at some point that I wasn’t having fun playing pvp. I was stressed and when I’d stop playing I’d be in a bad mood even if I had been winning/playing well. I rarely play multiplayer games at all now, single player is my lane and I’m happy to stay in it. I’ll venture out for some coop sometimes but mostly I’m good flying solo.
Not hating on people who like and enjoy PvP games, but to me it feels like it’s a good way for a developer to make a game that doesn’t actually have that much substance. Lacking content? Nothing to actually do in the game? NPCs are difficult to make interesting to fight? Just have players shoot each other. It’s basically content that creates itself, not to mention (if you have good matchmaking) the difficulty ramps up naturally without you having to write better enemy AI.
I just want to fight stuff alongside other people, rather than potentially making another person’s day just a little worse because I shot them before they shot me, you know? Is that too much to ask?
I want to upvote you a thousand times. I mean, I don’t have 900 hours logged in a battle royale game, but I have tried a few.
The suckiest part to me, the bad, is how fucking long it takes to go from joining a match to the next.
I suck at these games, and that’s fine by me. I realise that being good comes from experience, and experience comes from failure. I know I need to fail one thousand times before I am decent, and I know I need to fail ten thousand times before I am good.
Therefore, if the gameplay experience is to wait two minutes to find a game to join, wait a minute for everyone to queue, wait for a minute to hit land after the drop, run around searching for anything to use for 5 minutes, run around searching for anyone to fight for 5 more minutes, and then lose the fight? I just spent 15 minutes doing nothing.
Compare that to a shooter that has a game mode in which I can respawn in 5 to 10 seconds. Much more fun.
I hate battle royales because I very much dislike the gameplay loop, but because they are popular every new shooter is a BR. Bah.
I remember playing deathmatch in games like Unreal Tournament, with their mad non-stop pace of action. Even settings like instagib with 0-second respawn were incredible loads of fun! I see Battle Royale as a kind of rejection of that kind of gameplay, an evolution in response to it. Battle Royale raises the stakes.
This is what critics of BR don’t seem to understand - all that running around for 15 minutes, collecting weapons, not seeing anyone, that’s not wasting time - that’s your buy in. You are investing your time, and then putting it at risk for that extra thrill. It’s no different than people who play blackjack for money - sure, they could just play against the computer if they really enjoyed that style gameplay, but putting money on the line is what makes it more fun for them. That’s how many games work nowadays, except that instead of money you are risking your time. The same mechanism that makes OP anxious, makes those people exhilarated. And being the last man standing is enjoyable too to a great extent precisely due to the knowledge that with your sheer skill you have just spoiled the time of a hundred other people.
Even the waiting two minutes in the lobby is itself in some sense a punishment for dying, an incentive to play better, and an entry fee for the next match.
Now I agree that not everyone enjoys gambling with their time (I don’t for one). Some people really do enjoy just the gunplay and the twitch reaction gameplay. And if you do, it’s annoying that every game that keeps coming out is pushing BR elements and wasting your time. Just don’t play them! Vote with your wallet and find the action deathmatch game your deserve. At worst, all the old games are still accessible!
I mean, de gustibus non disputandum est, so if one likes battle royales one likes battle royales and that’s ok, but I don’t really agree your argument.
It gives me weird vibes, kinda like saying that lightly bullying someone helps the victim build character.
To me, wasting my time is, in a sense, a form of abuse.
Regardless, as I said I’m perfectly ok with people liking this genre, and I’m more than happy that they get to play what they like. What I don’t like is the fact that it’s getting harder and harder to find shooters that aren’t battle royale or contain battle royale elements.
I can’t even think of a somewhat modern shooter with a deathmatch mode off the top of my head, but to be fair I haven’t looked super hard in the last few years
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I haven’t played any game with PvP in like a decade. I think WoW turned me off from them.
Same man. I realized at some point that I wasn’t having fun playing pvp. I was stressed and when I’d stop playing I’d be in a bad mood even if I had been winning/playing well. I rarely play multiplayer games at all now, single player is my lane and I’m happy to stay in it. I’ll venture out for some coop sometimes but mostly I’m good flying solo.
Not hating on people who like and enjoy PvP games, but to me it feels like it’s a good way for a developer to make a game that doesn’t actually have that much substance. Lacking content? Nothing to actually do in the game? NPCs are difficult to make interesting to fight? Just have players shoot each other. It’s basically content that creates itself, not to mention (if you have good matchmaking) the difficulty ramps up naturally without you having to write better enemy AI.
I just want to fight stuff alongside other people, rather than potentially making another person’s day just a little worse because I shot them before they shot me, you know? Is that too much to ask?
There’s a lot of multiplayer games that causes a lot of rage.
A lot of them are either pay-to-win or battle royales
I want to upvote you a thousand times. I mean, I don’t have 900 hours logged in a battle royale game, but I have tried a few.
The suckiest part to me, the bad, is how fucking long it takes to go from joining a match to the next.
I suck at these games, and that’s fine by me. I realise that being good comes from experience, and experience comes from failure. I know I need to fail one thousand times before I am decent, and I know I need to fail ten thousand times before I am good.
Therefore, if the gameplay experience is to wait two minutes to find a game to join, wait a minute for everyone to queue, wait for a minute to hit land after the drop, run around searching for anything to use for 5 minutes, run around searching for anyone to fight for 5 more minutes, and then lose the fight? I just spent 15 minutes doing nothing.
Compare that to a shooter that has a game mode in which I can respawn in 5 to 10 seconds. Much more fun.
I hate battle royales because I very much dislike the gameplay loop, but because they are popular every new shooter is a BR. Bah.
I remember playing deathmatch in games like Unreal Tournament, with their mad non-stop pace of action. Even settings like instagib with 0-second respawn were incredible loads of fun! I see Battle Royale as a kind of rejection of that kind of gameplay, an evolution in response to it. Battle Royale raises the stakes.
This is what critics of BR don’t seem to understand - all that running around for 15 minutes, collecting weapons, not seeing anyone, that’s not wasting time - that’s your buy in. You are investing your time, and then putting it at risk for that extra thrill. It’s no different than people who play blackjack for money - sure, they could just play against the computer if they really enjoyed that style gameplay, but putting money on the line is what makes it more fun for them. That’s how many games work nowadays, except that instead of money you are risking your time. The same mechanism that makes OP anxious, makes those people exhilarated. And being the last man standing is enjoyable too to a great extent precisely due to the knowledge that with your sheer skill you have just spoiled the time of a hundred other people.
Even the waiting two minutes in the lobby is itself in some sense a punishment for dying, an incentive to play better, and an entry fee for the next match.
Now I agree that not everyone enjoys gambling with their time (I don’t for one). Some people really do enjoy just the gunplay and the twitch reaction gameplay. And if you do, it’s annoying that every game that keeps coming out is pushing BR elements and wasting your time. Just don’t play them! Vote with your wallet and find the action deathmatch game your deserve. At worst, all the old games are still accessible!
I mean, de gustibus non disputandum est, so if one likes battle royales one likes battle royales and that’s ok, but I don’t really agree your argument.
It gives me weird vibes, kinda like saying that lightly bullying someone helps the victim build character.
To me, wasting my time is, in a sense, a form of abuse.
Regardless, as I said I’m perfectly ok with people liking this genre, and I’m more than happy that they get to play what they like. What I don’t like is the fact that it’s getting harder and harder to find shooters that aren’t battle royale or contain battle royale elements.
I can’t even think of a somewhat modern shooter with a deathmatch mode off the top of my head, but to be fair I haven’t looked super hard in the last few years