I tried it in the past, admittedly a long time ago, and it just wasn’t great for my workflows.
I use Adobe products for the time being because the other available software doesn’t have the features I need quite yet. They’re getting closer year by year and I could see switching being way easier once they get more feature rich. But for right now I still need Windows for my creative programs.
Yeah, that’s a more likely option for me. I’m not super keen on how locked down Apple keeps the OS but MS is getting just as bad with Windows Apps and all that nonsense. So my reason for not switching to Mac is basically price of hardware at this point.
I would like to switch to Linux in the future though, not saying no, I just need my creative programs to work there and I’ll be golden. Because everything else I used worked mostly okay (some hiccups but that’ll happen when switching OS’s).
there are ways of running macOS on non-Apple hardware, but it requires a fair bit of tech savvy, and you usually need to build your own machine. not sure how easy it is nowadays, but i ran a macOS desktop on a PC for years without many issues. its all linux for me now, though.
Oh you mean a good old fashioned hackintosh! I’m aware, but every update seemed to be a pain in the ass (experimented with that in the past too, I have about a decade of IT experience). I’d rather just get an official Mac. The hackintosh is a cool project but not something I’d want to make a daily driver. I know some people can make it work and I’m happy for them but I found it to be too fiddly.
For anybody else interested though you can find more info at this link
yeah. the proprietary nonsense is what pushed me over to linux in the first place, and that was before they started with their super special ARM chips. RISC-V is still on the horizon, though! hopefully open source ISA will prevail in the decades to come.
I don’t experience any meaningful issues either using macOS. Some parts are locked down but I don’t have any issues installing apps, running brew utilities, or using third party extensions.
I originally intended to do a pcie passthrough setup with a second video card and use a Windows VM for gaming, but then DXVK hit and it just wasn’t necessary. The Windows games I cared about worked under Linux so I never got around to it.
Give Linux Mint a try. It is very similar to Windows and will make the transition very smooth. Pretty much any windows programs that you want to run you can run in a shell like Wine.
I like Mint and I tried Ubuntu, Debian and even Arch way back in the day just for funsies. I’m not unfamiliar with Unix based systems, I just use creative programs and that is Linux’s biggest Achilles’ heel. The alternatives to Adobe software just don’t have the features I need yet. They’re getting there but at this time it would be a rough transition.
Not sure what Adobe products you’re using, or in what application, but I do photography as a hobby and do my editing on my linux machines. Rawtherapee and DarkTable are good alternatives to lightroom, with Gimp being a very good alternative to Photoshop. Gimp is getting better all the time, but Darktable already is a stronger editor than Lightroom.
Haven’t tried any video editing alternatives (not my thing), but these programs have the added benefit of being free.
I’m not saying it won’t get to the feature rich state I’m looking for, but it’s got a long way to go. I’m not going to be able to switch from Photoshop for a while. If I did, Affinity is a better program for that but even that is missing a lot of features in comparison. Only for now though, I’m looking forward to the future of these programs.
GIMP still doesn’t have non-destructive editing; I can’t imagine doing any serious image work with it. If FOSS wants a Photoshop alternative, then devs need to add more image manipulation stuff to Krita.
I’m kind of confused…if the plan is to move Windows fully to the cloud, why are they talking to chipmakers about enabling more Windows features in future chip releases? Why would you need processing power for the OS if the OS is fully on the cloud?
tbh, windows user since the 90s, tried *nix desktops since the early 00s every few years. Used to have a thing where I would force myself to use it for 6 months and it would fail again and again.
In the last year, ive been using ubuntu (which i know isint the best desktop to use even) as a dev system on some of my work. Unlike in the past I am no longer finding an unreasonable delta between the user expectations in linux vs windows systems. I need to drop to a cli for both with ~ the same propensity once I do anything advanced. Not having a registry is a blessing I never thought I would be able to have in a rich visual system.
Long time .NET / Azure dev - moving to linux. After all, what do you think remote windows will run under-the-covers?
That’s a pretty similar story to mine. Used Linux pretty exclusively over a decade ago, then switched back for my gaming PC. Now that I’m back on Linux though, I don’t see any reason to use windows on anything but my company PC, Linux is just better IMO now.
As another dev here, I have barely used a PC/laptop outside of work in years. I got a gaming PC like 2 years back and don’t use it much. But every time I get the hankering for some personal dev project and have to mess with the registry I cry inside. I really need to just ditch it for Linux entirely. I’m so much more comfortable on Linux. You might just convince me to bite the bullet and remove it entirely since 90% of my gaming is on steamdeck anyway.
Since WSL2 and terminal preview I have spent more time doing “nix things” than windows things anyway, I even do a lot of windows file management through ubuntu since the Linux tools are more expressive.
Much of my day is web browser, cli and VSCode. The desktops are capable, at this point its more about getting used to a different set of keyboard shortcuts, my next build out will be a linux system for sure.
pretty much, though my understanding is they ended up making thier own “wine” that leverages hyper-v. Seems like they are still banking on thier own hypervisor. Can’t say I blame them. no way MS hands thier ops to VMWare.
EDIT: Honestly, I would expect NT4/Server2000 based windows to be sunset within a decade in place of a linux kernel version that has a window manager developed in microsoft’s signature style. A large number of newer UWP apps will port relatively easily if already written on .NET core and microsoft has indicated they are starting to think more like apple when it comes to some levels of compatibility.
What if you had a tablet device that could go weeks without charging? It could handle basic tasks on its own, or more intensive tasks when connected to the internet?
Office 365 is a good example. Basic tasks of word can be handled by a cached web client, but if you need to do something more advanced and need the full version of word to run, the ARM architecture can’t run it so spin up a virtual instance and stream it to your arm device.
Windows 11 will have this baked in. It’s not a forced replacement of a local OS.
Microsoft has recently announced Windows Copilot, an AI-powered assistant for Windows 11. Windows Copilot sits at the side of Windows 11, and can summarize content you’re viewing in apps, rewrite it, or even explain it. Microsoft is currently testing this internally and promised to release it to testers in June before rolling it out more broadly to Windows 11 users.
Honestly, in my opinion/my experience the best way to learn linux is to (1) just jump in and start using it and (2) being patient with yourself while you adjust. Nothing makes you quite as comfortable with using an operating system like using it every day, even if all you do is boot it up, open a web browser and watch gifs of cats on the Internet. When I was making the switch, it was invaluable to just be in there, using regularly. Second was also to be patient with myself. I found, at first, that i was getting frustrated when I needed to troubleshoot something because I was so used to the Windows way of things. I had to give myself time to learn and adapt.
It depends on what you are trying to learn. If it’s just using it as a desktop then it’s more a matter of just using it for a while to change your muscle memory from Win or Mac.
If you’re looking for more of a command line/server experience, most distros have excellent documentation. This may be a minority opinion, but I personally like Oracle Linux (a Red Hat clone) and their documentation; https://docs.oracle.com/en/operating-systems/oracle-linux/index.html
I also like FreeBSD which isn’t technically Linux but very similar in a lot of regards. They also have excellent documentation; https://docs.freebsd.org/en/
Ultimately, which distro you wind up liking is entirely subjective and one of the great aspects of the open source world. Oracle in particular you may see a lot of hate towards, but I’ve always had good success with their products and support. Best of luck!
Microsoft is known to be jumpy with the version numbers, while mixing in dates or floating numbers: 3 to 3.1 to NT 3.1 to NT 3.5 to NT 3.51 NT 4.0 to 95 to 98 to 2000 to 2003 to 7, 8 and then later ignoring 9, and all of this nonsense while sometimes using words instead numbers in between all the versions. Now it jumps from 11 to 365. There is no homogeneity.
I am curious to what the future naming will be, as no one can predict it with certainty unlike on most other systems. That’s probably the only exciting part about the operating system to me.
I guess that means more people switching to linux, assuming they eventually 100% phase out non-cloud. Not even because “cloud bad” - there will be some of that, but because of the sheer number of people who don’t pay for windows, not paying for it isn’t an option if they control it completely.
Will this actually be the straw that breaks the camel’s back, or will everyone just continue to say “but I can only do this on a PC” and not even attempt to look at Linux or MacOS as an alternative.
My moneys on the latter. People have been complaining about anti-consumer practices from Microsoft since Windows 7, but it always ends the same way. Microsoft has most of the world by the balls and they know they can squeeze tighter and tighter and not lose 99% of their customers.
Yup, that’d also be the case for people like me who stick with Windows for gaming compatibility/convenience reasons and critical GPU features the Linux drivers just don’t implement (looking at you, DLDSR). That, or just anyone with a GPU, I suppose, assuming the hardware market would look remotely like it does nowadays by then.
There’s definitely going to be a push for cloud gaming / cloud GPU + VDI, and with GPU pricing going the way nvidia is doing right now isn’t going to help prevent adoption of that.
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Without reading the article, this smells a lot like #enshittification
Before you know it, you’ll need a active subscription, power and internet to open your butt plug to take a shit.
I don’t really want to switch to Linux, Microsoft, please stop pushing me to. I will, but I’d rather not. Ffs.
Come over, it’s nice here!
I tried it in the past, admittedly a long time ago, and it just wasn’t great for my workflows.
I use Adobe products for the time being because the other available software doesn’t have the features I need quite yet. They’re getting closer year by year and I could see switching being way easier once they get more feature rich. But for right now I still need Windows for my creative programs.
Ah, that’s unfortunate. Doesn’t Adobe still offer their tools on Mac? Not as good as Linux for me, but better than Windows.
Yeah, that’s a more likely option for me. I’m not super keen on how locked down Apple keeps the OS but MS is getting just as bad with Windows Apps and all that nonsense. So my reason for not switching to Mac is basically price of hardware at this point.
I would like to switch to Linux in the future though, not saying no, I just need my creative programs to work there and I’ll be golden. Because everything else I used worked mostly okay (some hiccups but that’ll happen when switching OS’s).
there are ways of running macOS on non-Apple hardware, but it requires a fair bit of tech savvy, and you usually need to build your own machine. not sure how easy it is nowadays, but i ran a macOS desktop on a PC for years without many issues. its all linux for me now, though.
Oh you mean a good old fashioned hackintosh! I’m aware, but every update seemed to be a pain in the ass (experimented with that in the past too, I have about a decade of IT experience). I’d rather just get an official Mac. The hackintosh is a cool project but not something I’d want to make a daily driver. I know some people can make it work and I’m happy for them but I found it to be too fiddly.
For anybody else interested though you can find more info at this link
Not when “Intel based Macs” go out of support. There is no way to run the M1/2 MacOS version without having Apple hardware.
yeah. the proprietary nonsense is what pushed me over to linux in the first place, and that was before they started with their super special ARM chips. RISC-V is still on the horizon, though! hopefully open source ISA will prevail in the decades to come.
I don’t experience any meaningful issues either using macOS. Some parts are locked down but I don’t have any issues installing apps, running brew utilities, or using third party extensions.
Made the switch 4 years ago. No regrets.
Me too.
I originally intended to do a pcie passthrough setup with a second video card and use a Windows VM for gaming, but then DXVK hit and it just wasn’t necessary. The Windows games I cared about worked under Linux so I never got around to it.
Give Linux Mint a try. It is very similar to Windows and will make the transition very smooth. Pretty much any windows programs that you want to run you can run in a shell like Wine.
I like Mint and I tried Ubuntu, Debian and even Arch way back in the day just for funsies. I’m not unfamiliar with Unix based systems, I just use creative programs and that is Linux’s biggest Achilles’ heel. The alternatives to Adobe software just don’t have the features I need yet. They’re getting there but at this time it would be a rough transition.
Not sure what Adobe products you’re using, or in what application, but I do photography as a hobby and do my editing on my linux machines. Rawtherapee and DarkTable are good alternatives to lightroom, with Gimp being a very good alternative to Photoshop. Gimp is getting better all the time, but Darktable already is a stronger editor than Lightroom.
Haven’t tried any video editing alternatives (not my thing), but these programs have the added benefit of being free.
GIMP is still hot garbage imo, you can do a lot with it but it has a looong way to go before being comparable to Photoshop. It was only last year in 2022 they added CMYK support, that’s insane to me.
I’m not saying it won’t get to the feature rich state I’m looking for, but it’s got a long way to go. I’m not going to be able to switch from Photoshop for a while. If I did, Affinity is a better program for that but even that is missing a lot of features in comparison. Only for now though, I’m looking forward to the future of these programs.
GIMP still doesn’t have non-destructive editing; I can’t imagine doing any serious image work with it. If FOSS wants a Photoshop alternative, then devs need to add more image manipulation stuff to Krita.
Assuming this is just fancy talk for Remote Desktop to the average user and hosted by MS.
“You will own nothing, and you will like it.”
Lol, Not long ago I was called a right wing conspiracy nut for using that quote.
Ignore brainwashed people man
I’m kind of confused…if the plan is to move Windows fully to the cloud, why are they talking to chipmakers about enabling more Windows features in future chip releases? Why would you need processing power for the OS if the OS is fully on the cloud?
Client side rendering and stuff? Your youtube video is still rendered locally.
and I want to move fully off of windows, what a coincidence.
The situation has never been better for comfortably abandoning Windows. Come to Linux, we have penguins
tbh, windows user since the 90s, tried *nix desktops since the early 00s every few years. Used to have a thing where I would force myself to use it for 6 months and it would fail again and again.
In the last year, ive been using ubuntu (which i know isint the best desktop to use even) as a dev system on some of my work. Unlike in the past I am no longer finding an unreasonable delta between the user expectations in linux vs windows systems. I need to drop to a cli for both with ~ the same propensity once I do anything advanced. Not having a registry is a blessing I never thought I would be able to have in a rich visual system.
Long time .NET / Azure dev - moving to linux. After all, what do you think remote windows will run under-the-covers?
That’s a pretty similar story to mine. Used Linux pretty exclusively over a decade ago, then switched back for my gaming PC. Now that I’m back on Linux though, I don’t see any reason to use windows on anything but my company PC, Linux is just better IMO now.
As another dev here, I have barely used a PC/laptop outside of work in years. I got a gaming PC like 2 years back and don’t use it much. But every time I get the hankering for some personal dev project and have to mess with the registry I cry inside. I really need to just ditch it for Linux entirely. I’m so much more comfortable on Linux. You might just convince me to bite the bullet and remove it entirely since 90% of my gaming is on steamdeck anyway.
Since WSL2 and terminal preview I have spent more time doing “nix things” than windows things anyway, I even do a lot of windows file management through ubuntu since the Linux tools are more expressive.
Much of my day is web browser, cli and VSCode. The desktops are capable, at this point its more about getting used to a different set of keyboard shortcuts, my next build out will be a linux system for sure.
Azure Linux with a strong Wine hahahahaha
pretty much, though my understanding is they ended up making thier own “wine” that leverages hyper-v. Seems like they are still banking on thier own hypervisor. Can’t say I blame them. no way MS hands thier ops to VMWare.
EDIT: Honestly, I would expect NT4/Server2000 based windows to be sunset within a decade in place of a linux kernel version that has a window manager developed in microsoft’s signature style. A large number of newer UWP apps will port relatively easily if already written on .NET core and microsoft has indicated they are starting to think more like apple when it comes to some levels of compatibility.
This might be a hot take but I wonder how this would be priced.
It could be handy for cloud gaming (since gforce now publishers are trying to block it).
If it’s anything aboce $0/mo it’s too much
I suddenly feel an urge to install Arch
Lots of people missing the point here.
What if you had a tablet device that could go weeks without charging? It could handle basic tasks on its own, or more intensive tasks when connected to the internet?
Office 365 is a good example. Basic tasks of word can be handled by a cached web client, but if you need to do something more advanced and need the full version of word to run, the ARM architecture can’t run it so spin up a virtual instance and stream it to your arm device.
Windows 11 will have this baked in. It’s not a forced replacement of a local OS.
But you don’t need to host your local OS in the cloud to run an application in the cloud.
Edit: clarification.
If your hardware is ARM and you need to work in x86 then yes you do.
@floofloof. That’s a hard no. I mean if work wants to do it…ok? But on my own machines…Linux or Mac. I can just picture some jerk DDOSing it.
Omg… The return of Clippy
What is the best resource for learning other OS? I’m thinking Linux but am pretty open since I am not knowledgeable.
Honestly, in my opinion/my experience the best way to learn linux is to (1) just jump in and start using it and (2) being patient with yourself while you adjust. Nothing makes you quite as comfortable with using an operating system like using it every day, even if all you do is boot it up, open a web browser and watch gifs of cats on the Internet. When I was making the switch, it was invaluable to just be in there, using regularly. Second was also to be patient with myself. I found, at first, that i was getting frustrated when I needed to troubleshoot something because I was so used to the Windows way of things. I had to give myself time to learn and adapt.
It depends on what you are trying to learn. If it’s just using it as a desktop then it’s more a matter of just using it for a while to change your muscle memory from Win or Mac.
If you’re looking for more of a command line/server experience, most distros have excellent documentation. This may be a minority opinion, but I personally like Oracle Linux (a Red Hat clone) and their documentation; https://docs.oracle.com/en/operating-systems/oracle-linux/index.html
I also like FreeBSD which isn’t technically Linux but very similar in a lot of regards. They also have excellent documentation; https://docs.freebsd.org/en/
Ultimately, which distro you wind up liking is entirely subjective and one of the great aspects of the open source world. Oracle in particular you may see a lot of hate towards, but I’ve always had good success with their products and support. Best of luck!
Just install yourself a Linux and search the web when in need 🙂
Cool so not only do you need to power your local device you also need to power servers and eat up loads of internet bandwidth. Super efficient.
All so they can force you to pay a monthly subscription… Thank Gaben Valve is investing so much in Linux gaming.
Microsoft is known to be jumpy with the version numbers, while mixing in dates or floating numbers: 3 to 3.1 to NT 3.1 to NT 3.5 to NT 3.51 NT 4.0 to 95 to 98 to 2000 to 2003 to 7, 8 and then later ignoring 9, and all of this nonsense while sometimes using words instead numbers in between all the versions. Now it jumps from 11 to 365. There is no homogeneity.
I am curious to what the future naming will be, as no one can predict it with certainty unlike on most other systems. That’s probably the only exciting part about the operating system to me.
I guess that means more people switching to linux, assuming they eventually 100% phase out non-cloud. Not even because “cloud bad” - there will be some of that, but because of the sheer number of people who don’t pay for windows, not paying for it isn’t an option if they control it completely.
Will this actually be the straw that breaks the camel’s back, or will everyone just continue to say “but I can only do this on a PC” and not even attempt to look at Linux or MacOS as an alternative.
My moneys on the latter. People have been complaining about anti-consumer practices from Microsoft since Windows 7, but it always ends the same way. Microsoft has most of the world by the balls and they know they can squeeze tighter and tighter and not lose 99% of their customers.
Yup, that’d also be the case for people like me who stick with Windows for gaming compatibility/convenience reasons and critical GPU features the Linux drivers just don’t implement (looking at you, DLDSR). That, or just anyone with a GPU, I suppose, assuming the hardware market would look remotely like it does nowadays by then.
There’s definitely going to be a push for cloud gaming / cloud GPU + VDI, and with GPU pricing going the way nvidia is doing right now isn’t going to help prevent adoption of that.