Did decide to go the used drive route just saving up and waiting for the right deal from a good seller. I did notice on eBay specifically that some sellers have tested drives for a great price per tb with a shit seller’s warranty (30 days to 1 year) but offer insurance for a significantly longer length of time for a few more bucks. I’m wondering if that’s a good alternative to having a long seller’s warranty? Just assume I will back everything up properly so drive failure won’t be a massive concern I just want the option of returning it or getting a replacement if need be.
You might check out serverpartdeals.com. I’d trust a larger company over some random ebay seller. They have warranties oh their drives too. I’ve only bought one from them thus far but haven’t had any issues with the drive.
Really appreciate it they actually also have an eBay store which I’ve been stalking religiously I’m just waiting for a lower capacity drive, 8-10tb is my realistic sweet spot. In the meantime I’m just browsing and looking at other well known sellers.
There’s a lot of good suggestions here, but I just wanted to add that I absolutely wouldn’t rely on a random eBay seller’s warranty in any way. I made that mistake early on in my journey. I came back to find my seller had deleted their account (probably to start another and skip out on warranties).
what you want are used datacenter drives that still have some manufacturer warranty left. they sell them all over on amazon too. then you dont have to deal with some middleman when you need a replacement
Hey long shot but I did end up buying one with a year of manufacturer warranty still available and was wondering if you went through the process of getting a replacement from WD (the manufacturer of my drive) that was brought from eBay? I made a new post but couldn’t get answers and I just got a couple of questions.
its been a minute, but when i did this i took the serial number to WD. their site proved the warranty and had a swap policy, i just sent it back directly to WD.
Bingo. I’ve been running refurb 4tb hgst drives for years now, oldest one has 50k power on hours and I’m not sure if that’s how long I’ve run it or if it had a bunch when it came. Either way, I have yet to lose one in years of use while popping several western digital and seagate drives.
I’m moving to 10tb drives (I tend to pick the biggest sub $100 drive option when I need a new standard) since I’m out of drive bays and nearly out of space on the old garbage array. Stick to the 3-2-1 rule and these should be fine.
You reassured me thank you. Was straight up looking at 10tb hgst drives but was hesitant. I’ll still check out other drives that have manufacturer warranties on them but its nice to know I can fall back on my old plan if I don’t find a good deal.
The 3-2-1 rule can aid in the backup process. It states that there should be at least 3 copies of the data, stored on 2 different types of storage media, and one copy should be kept offsite, in a remote location (this can include cloud storage). 2 or more different media should be used to eliminate data loss due to similar reasons (for example, optical discs may tolerate being underwater while LTO tapes may not, and SSDs cannot fail due to head crashes or damaged spindle motors since they do not have any moving parts, unlike hard drives). An offsite copy protects against fire, theft of physical media (such as tapes or discs) and natural disasters like floods and earthquakes. Physically protected hard drives are an alternative to an offsite copy, but they have limitations like only being able to resist fire for a limited period of time, so an offsite copy still remains as the ideal choice.
I’ve bought plenty of used drives, like 25-30 from eBay alone, only had around 5 SSDs fail after pretty heavy abuse. I’ve also bought refurbished drives, they are really good value from buying brand new ones.
SSDs were from Garland computers (great company and visited locally)
All the refurb drives are water panther from Amazon, but they have a website you can buy from directly. They are RMA drives from Western Digital and Seagate with 0 hours.
If you “RAID and backup enough” any chepo used hard drive is a good and valid. :)
Generally speaking datacenter drives with manufacturer warranty will be a good option because they’re easy to get replaced by the manufacturer without much fuzz. For any second hard drive I look at bad blocks > count of starts > time they’ve been running and if it isn’t an absurd number they should be fine.
If you put the effort in to get a wide range of sources/batches AND monitor your disks regularly: Agreed
But if you get a few from the same manufacturing batch/source? Then there are shockingly decent odds that they will fail at roughly the same time. Which is a huge problem if you aren’t monitoring your disks and able to “recover” from however many failures before they take down the array.
I completely agree with you, no discussion there. Active monitoring is required. Backup in 3-2-1 would solve the same source batch issue. Some backups should be kept spun down / cold storage so the likelihood of failure at the same time is close to none. Still I would mix the production and backups HDDs to avoid that.
I guess my general approach in my personal life is that I would rather spend a bit more on some refurbs of server grade hdds from a reputable outlet. Because once I start assuming all of my drives will fail at any moment I need much more hierarchical storage and a lot more replacement drives and so forth. And my actual off site backups are a much smaller subset of my data that is in an encrypted volume in a cloud storage provider’s bucket.
And in my professional life: You are paying for the warranties and support contracts. If you can’t afford to run your own storage then you should just call Amazon and ask for a good deal.
And in my professional life: You are paying for the warranties and support contracts. If you can’t afford to run your own storage then you should just call Amazon and ask for a good deal.
Oh yeah. Or don’t have storage at all, because if you can’t afford it you most likely don’t need it :P
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You might check out serverpartdeals.com. I’d trust a larger company over some random ebay seller. They have warranties oh their drives too. I’ve only bought one from them thus far but haven’t had any issues with the drive.
Really appreciate it they actually also have an eBay store which I’ve been stalking religiously I’m just waiting for a lower capacity drive, 8-10tb is my realistic sweet spot. In the meantime I’m just browsing and looking at other well known sellers.
I just bought a few 18tb from serverpartsdeals (via eBay) and they’re working well for now. YMMV of course.
There’s a lot of good suggestions here, but I just wanted to add that I absolutely wouldn’t rely on a random eBay seller’s warranty in any way. I made that mistake early on in my journey. I came back to find my seller had deleted their account (probably to start another and skip out on warranties).
what you want are used datacenter drives that still have some manufacturer warranty left. they sell them all over on amazon too. then you dont have to deal with some middleman when you need a replacement
Hey long shot but I did end up buying one with a year of manufacturer warranty still available and was wondering if you went through the process of getting a replacement from WD (the manufacturer of my drive) that was brought from eBay? I made a new post but couldn’t get answers and I just got a couple of questions.
its been a minute, but when i did this i took the serial number to WD. their site proved the warranty and had a swap policy, i just sent it back directly to WD.
Bingo. I’ve been running refurb 4tb hgst drives for years now, oldest one has 50k power on hours and I’m not sure if that’s how long I’ve run it or if it had a bunch when it came. Either way, I have yet to lose one in years of use while popping several western digital and seagate drives.
I’m moving to 10tb drives (I tend to pick the biggest sub $100 drive option when I need a new standard) since I’m out of drive bays and nearly out of space on the old garbage array. Stick to the 3-2-1 rule and these should be fine.
You reassured me thank you. Was straight up looking at 10tb hgst drives but was hesitant. I’ll still check out other drives that have manufacturer warranties on them but its nice to know I can fall back on my old plan if I don’t find a good deal.
The 3-2-1 rule can aid in the backup process. It states that there should be at least 3 copies of the data, stored on 2 different types of storage media, and one copy should be kept offsite, in a remote location (this can include cloud storage). 2 or more different media should be used to eliminate data loss due to similar reasons (for example, optical discs may tolerate being underwater while LTO tapes may not, and SSDs cannot fail due to head crashes or damaged spindle motors since they do not have any moving parts, unlike hard drives). An offsite copy protects against fire, theft of physical media (such as tapes or discs) and natural disasters like floods and earthquakes. Physically protected hard drives are an alternative to an offsite copy, but they have limitations like only being able to resist fire for a limited period of time, so an offsite copy still remains as the ideal choice.
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I’ve bought plenty of used drives, like 25-30 from eBay alone, only had around 5 SSDs fail after pretty heavy abuse. I’ve also bought refurbished drives, they are really good value from buying brand new ones.
Were they all from the same seller?
SSDs were from Garland computers (great company and visited locally)
All the refurb drives are water panther from Amazon, but they have a website you can buy from directly. They are RMA drives from Western Digital and Seagate with 0 hours.
If you “RAID and backup enough” any chepo used hard drive is a good and valid. :)
Generally speaking datacenter drives with manufacturer warranty will be a good option because they’re easy to get replaced by the manufacturer without much fuzz. For any second hard drive I look at bad blocks > count of starts > time they’ve been running and if it isn’t an absurd number they should be fine.
Yes and no.
If you put the effort in to get a wide range of sources/batches AND monitor your disks regularly: Agreed
But if you get a few from the same manufacturing batch/source? Then there are shockingly decent odds that they will fail at roughly the same time. Which is a huge problem if you aren’t monitoring your disks and able to “recover” from however many failures before they take down the array.
I completely agree with you, no discussion there. Active monitoring is required. Backup in 3-2-1 would solve the same source batch issue. Some backups should be kept spun down / cold storage so the likelihood of failure at the same time is close to none. Still I would mix the production and backups HDDs to avoid that.
Yeah.
I guess my general approach in my personal life is that I would rather spend a bit more on some refurbs of server grade hdds from a reputable outlet. Because once I start assuming all of my drives will fail at any moment I need much more hierarchical storage and a lot more replacement drives and so forth. And my actual off site backups are a much smaller subset of my data that is in an encrypted volume in a cloud storage provider’s bucket.
And in my professional life: You are paying for the warranties and support contracts. If you can’t afford to run your own storage then you should just call Amazon and ask for a good deal.
Oh yeah. Or don’t have storage at all, because if you can’t afford it you most likely don’t need it :P