Hello, recently I have started to see the limit’s of vps’s and have been thinking about getting a hetzner dedicated server from the auction. My question is are they worth it and if so what would be the best way to make use of them.
By that I mean should I get something like proxmox on it and make use if it that way, or install a stable os like debian and have it all installed in docker making use of the pure power of the system that way?
Edit: My use case for my server vps is my main website, but I also host a lot of alternative frontend’ and some other thing like a feed reader (miniflux) and other things like that, that with time I have accumulated and if I wanted to have them all running well would either have to spend money in uograding one vps, or buy multiple smaller one’s. In both cases this could end up quite costly.
Reason I can’t do it on my own hardare is space contraint’s, part’s avalibility where I live and prices. They are high.
Edit2: If there is any other good alernartive dedicated server peovider that won’t break a bank like hetzner, please recommend them.
I’ve only heard that name once, and it was when plex blocked them for hosting many plex servers against plexs ToS (selling access to private/pirate libraries).
The auction servers are not really that different from the others. You get the same support. Every few years I hop onto a new auction server when it’s cheaper than my current one. Never had any problems. When a HDD dies I get a new one as quickly as with the normal dedicated servers.
What you do with it is up to you. I run most of my services on bare metal. I did some virtualisation years ago but didn’t see any benefits. I have one or two services running through Docker. That might go up with time, as it seems to be the easiest way to get something up with the optimal configuration.
One of main reason’s I love docker is that migration is really easy, I just go ahead and tar up the docker compose directory and move to another distro and done, migration is done and everything is on another system.
When it comes to performance you get bare metal performance while keeping virtualitization benefit’s like container’s.
I have already went ahead and bought a hetzner dedicated box, I just couldn’t find a similar performance dedicated box on any other provider’s for what hetzner provided at this moment and I really needed one now.
Yeah, that’s the key point. They weren’t trawling all the servers, they probably had a wiretap order for one specific server. As a legal business, you can’t just say no to police because you don’t like mitm.
Wait, they managed to forge Let’s Encrypt certificates? While it explains the attack on TLS (though technically not https as originally claimed, not that it makes much of a difference), that’s even worse…
If you have control over the host, getting a legit valid cert is trivial.
They’re a hosting company. It wouldn’t take much for them to temporarily have a vps grab some certs for domains that already point at them. Every hosting company has this power. Few use it.
That was fascinating. Thank you for sharing. I’m still early on my self-hosting journey, but a year or two ago I would have understood next to nothing of that. :D
In your case, instead of getting a dedicated server and putting proxmox on it, I would check if it might not be cheaper to just get individual virtual servers directly.
Other than that, sure, I have been a customer for many years now, and I have always been a fan of Hetzner’s price to quality ratio.
UPDATE: In the end I got a hetzner dedicated server and the performance is a lot better than a vps could ever be with similar specs and am loving the experience.
My main reason for hetzner is the cheapness of it, but have been reading a bit about hetzner and have seen some people have networking issues with them.
So I have decided to do a bit of searching around to see if there is any other good dedicated server provider to use that won’t break a bank.
But at the end I will most likelly get a hetzner auction server and see if there are any issues.
have seen some people have networking issues with them.
I’ve been a happy customer for hetzner for almost a decade and I haven’t had any issues with their networking. If you’re running virtualization you need to take care of you MAC addresses or they won’t allow traffic and eventually will kick you off from their platform (and they have a good reason to do so). As long as you play by their rules on their hardware it’s rock solid, specially for the price.
Throwing my +1 behind Hetzner, it’s so much more bang for your buck than with a VPS and I’ve been pleased with the stability and uptime I get out of my auction box.
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I’ve only heard that name once, and it was when plex blocked them for hosting many plex servers against plexs ToS (selling access to private/pirate libraries).
The auction servers are not really that different from the others. You get the same support. Every few years I hop onto a new auction server when it’s cheaper than my current one. Never had any problems. When a HDD dies I get a new one as quickly as with the normal dedicated servers.
What you do with it is up to you. I run most of my services on bare metal. I did some virtualisation years ago but didn’t see any benefits. I have one or two services running through Docker. That might go up with time, as it seems to be the easiest way to get something up with the optimal configuration.
One of main reason’s I love docker is that migration is really easy, I just go ahead and tar up the docker compose directory and move to another distro and done, migration is done and everything is on another system.
When it comes to performance you get bare metal performance while keeping virtualitization benefit’s like container’s.
Just don’t do anything with P2P on it. They really dislike that.
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I don’t plan on doing that tho
Then, you should be dandy. An alternative might be OVH? They don’t have a sale right now though.
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I have already went ahead and bought a hetzner dedicated box, I just couldn’t find a similar performance dedicated box on any other provider’s for what hetzner provided at this moment and I really needed one now.
Hetzner got caight MITM https traffic from their servers recently or something similar if i recall
Really? That’s a rather big claim, and would change a lot for me if true. Do you have anything by the way of a source?
Also, how do you MITM https traffic without one of the parties just handing you their keys?
It’s true, links already shared by others, the thing is that I’m sure other providers would’ve done the same.
Yeah, that’s the key point. They weren’t trawling all the servers, they probably had a wiretap order for one specific server. As a legal business, you can’t just say no to police because you don’t like mitm.
It was Hetzner and Linode. Likely from police wiretapping.
Wait, they managed to forge Let’s Encrypt certificates? While it explains the attack on TLS (though technically not https as originally claimed, not that it makes much of a difference), that’s even worse…
If you have control over the host, getting a legit valid cert is trivial.
They’re a hosting company. It wouldn’t take much for them to temporarily have a vps grab some certs for domains that already point at them. Every hosting company has this power. Few use it.
Technically you don’t even need to have control over the host, just over the data flow to the IP.
That was fascinating. Thank you for sharing. I’m still early on my self-hosting journey, but a year or two ago I would have understood next to nothing of that. :D
In your case, instead of getting a dedicated server and putting proxmox on it, I would check if it might not be cheaper to just get individual virtual servers directly.
Other than that, sure, I have been a customer for many years now, and I have always been a fan of Hetzner’s price to quality ratio.
The amount of stuff I host will easilly be double a dedicated server tho.
I decided to just get a dedicated box and will just put docker contsiner on bare metal.
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UPDATE: In the end I got a hetzner dedicated server and the performance is a lot better than a vps could ever be with similar specs and am loving the experience.
You can compare prices (and locations) of “dedi(s)” here https://lowendbox.com/category/virtual-servers/
I have moved over to inhouse hosting, but I exclusively used hetzner for years, a lot of it via the auction.
If you don’t need something very specific, the auction is a great way to spin up something cheaply.
My main reason for hetzner is the cheapness of it, but have been reading a bit about hetzner and have seen some people have networking issues with them.
So I have decided to do a bit of searching around to see if there is any other good dedicated server provider to use that won’t break a bank.
But at the end I will most likelly get a hetzner auction server and see if there are any issues.
I use OVH for my dedi, they often have sales on -> https://eco.ovhcloud.com/en-gb/
You’ll probably be fine with hetzner. If not, you can cancel whenever.
I’ve been a happy customer for hetzner for almost a decade and I haven’t had any issues with their networking. If you’re running virtualization you need to take care of you MAC addresses or they won’t allow traffic and eventually will kick you off from their platform (and they have a good reason to do so). As long as you play by their rules on their hardware it’s rock solid, specially for the price.
Throwing my +1 behind Hetzner, it’s so much more bang for your buck than with a VPS and I’ve been pleased with the stability and uptime I get out of my auction box.