“I think we should protect children and their ability to make adult decisions when they’re adults” - PP
We have children/parents/doctors make all sorts of important adult decisions regarding children all the time, why is this any different. Everything from deciding on whether to amputate after an accident to putting them on amphetamines to treat ADHD is fine, but for some reason gender affirming medication is different?
Put some checks in to make sure it doesn’t get misused/abused, then leave people alone with their personal choices. -Me
Good news is we have those checks and balances already.
Since 2009 Canada has recognized the right of minors to obtain or decline health care services on their own or over the objection of their parents. This is the mature minor doctrine and it was settled in the Supreme Court.
In most jurisdictions, medical professionals and other licensed practitioners determine if the person seeking care can give informed consent or rejection of a procedure (including full understanding of the consequences, sound mind, etc) before performing it. This means doctors and patients determine the course of care and make private medical decisions.
In Pierre’s world, and Danielle’s world, they know better than doctors and patients and would deny care, which we know for a fact leads to suicidal ideation in trans teens. Pierre doesn’t care about that, he literally doesn’t care if these kids die because they can’t get the care they need as long as he can make a wedge out of it. The fucking nerve of Pierre to call this a distraction.
Pierre doesn’t care about that, he literally doesn’t care if these kids die because they can’t get the care they need as long as he can make a wedge out of it.
I mean, they aren’t going to become CPC voters anyway. It’s to his benefit to let them die.
Poilievre called trans health care “a divisive wedge” that’s being used by the Liberal government to “distract…”
Classic Poilievre, disagree with him on the state banning life saving medical care and you’re the one being divisive and causing distractions.
I’m honestly sick of people like Pierre calling everything that isn’t about dollars a distraction, there is more to life than money, like human rights and healthcare for example, the things he wants to trample all over.
What kind of fantasy world do you have to live in to see Justin Trudeau as too radical? Either PP is knowingly making shit up for votes or he’s out of touch with reality. Neither qualifies him to lead the country.
The answer is a.) Out of touch with reality or b.) Purposely using this type of wording because it works and furthers his, and the larger global Right wing’s agenda, or c.) Just a grifter using grifter speak because it works on pretty much any right winger.
Fucking thank you for saying this. Trans people are out here, just trying to survive and have basic rights. Conservatives have decided to have a full-out snowflake meltdown over this.
Any transphobes reading this: I’m sure you’re tired of hearing about trans issues in the news. But I can assure you, you’re nowhere near as tired of it as trans people are.
It’s their test case for abortion. You know their base would do anything to get it in. With the notwithstanding clause they could get it even if the supreme court rules it unconstitutional.
Journalists should be asking Pierre if he thinks minors should be able to get abortion services without parental consent. Let’s see him square that circle with his smarmy face.
Speaking to reporters on Parliament Hill before a Conservative caucus meeting, Poilievre said the decision to pursue transgender treatments should be reserved to adults alone.
The Canadian Pediatric Society (CPS) has said that “gender-affirming medical interventions may be an important component of comprehensive care” for some transgender or gender-diverse adolescents.
The CPS says hormone therapy produces both reversible and irreversible changes and should only be provided to young people who “demonstrate the capacity to understand and appreciate both the benefits and risks of these medications, given their profound effects.”
While the national conversation about trans care was prompted by Smith’s policy announcement, Poilievre said Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is to blame for whipping up the public and the media.
Poilievre called trans health care “a divisive wedge” that’s being used by the Liberal government to “distract from doubling housing costs and quadrupling carbon taxes.”
Employment Minister Randy Boissonnault, a gay man who has become a vocal critic of Smith’s plan, has spoken out about Alberta’s push to demand that some trans kids get parental consent before using their preferred names and pronouns at school.
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My understanding is they’re also prescribed to delay very-early onset of puberty. Puberty has started, for some individuals, so young as to be giving birth at age 5. (in India, in that case.)
They have other applications aside from transitioning.
It’s not like these experts and doctors post a list of evidence for how their decision is made. I don’t really know what you expect for me. Maybe you could send some emails to the growing number of health boards?
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Restricting puberty blockers until after puberty is like taking birth control pills after the baby has been born.
I mean, do fans of the CPC have any functioning critical thinking? Or are they mostly just hateful nosey pricks who can’t mind their own business?
Ooooh! I love this analogy! Thanks, I wasn’t sure how to make it into a one-liner.
“I think we should protect children and their ability to make adult decisions when they’re adults” - PP
We have children/parents/doctors make all sorts of important adult decisions regarding children all the time, why is this any different. Everything from deciding on whether to amputate after an accident to putting them on amphetamines to treat ADHD is fine, but for some reason gender affirming medication is different?
Put some checks in to make sure it doesn’t get misused/abused, then leave people alone with their personal choices. -Me
Good news is we have those checks and balances already. Since 2009 Canada has recognized the right of minors to obtain or decline health care services on their own or over the objection of their parents. This is the mature minor doctrine and it was settled in the Supreme Court.
In most jurisdictions, medical professionals and other licensed practitioners determine if the person seeking care can give informed consent or rejection of a procedure (including full understanding of the consequences, sound mind, etc) before performing it. This means doctors and patients determine the course of care and make private medical decisions.
In Pierre’s world, and Danielle’s world, they know better than doctors and patients and would deny care, which we know for a fact leads to suicidal ideation in trans teens. Pierre doesn’t care about that, he literally doesn’t care if these kids die because they can’t get the care they need as long as he can make a wedge out of it. The fucking nerve of Pierre to call this a distraction.
I mean, they aren’t going to become CPC voters anyway. It’s to his benefit to let them die.
Classic Poilievre, disagree with him on the state banning life saving medical care and you’re the one being divisive and causing distractions.
I’m honestly sick of people like Pierre calling everything that isn’t about dollars a distraction, there is more to life than money, like human rights and healthcare for example, the things he wants to trample all over.
Wait until he too starts calling everything he doesn’t like “woke”
He is just about there now calling this Trudeau’s ‘radical ideology’
He’ll get there soon enough i guess…
Laughs in NDP… you think the Liberals are radical? The Liberals are milquetoast when it comes to anything important.
What kind of fantasy world do you have to live in to see Justin Trudeau as too radical? Either PP is knowingly making shit up for votes or he’s out of touch with reality. Neither qualifies him to lead the country.
Both can be true at the same time.
The answer is a.) Out of touch with reality or b.) Purposely using this type of wording because it works and furthers his, and the larger global Right wing’s agenda, or c.) Just a grifter using grifter speak because it works on pretty much any right winger.
I’m leaning towards B or C.
It’s only divisive because conservatives have made it a big issue.
Fucking thank you for saying this. Trans people are out here, just trying to survive and have basic rights. Conservatives have decided to have a full-out snowflake meltdown over this.
Any transphobes reading this: I’m sure you’re tired of hearing about trans issues in the news. But I can assure you, you’re nowhere near as tired of it as trans people are.
It’s their test case for abortion. You know their base would do anything to get it in. With the notwithstanding clause they could get it even if the supreme court rules it unconstitutional.
Journalists should be asking Pierre if he thinks minors should be able to get abortion services without parental consent. Let’s see him square that circle with his smarmy face.
My head just exploded visualizing this.
Wouldn’t his answer just be “no”?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Speaking to reporters on Parliament Hill before a Conservative caucus meeting, Poilievre said the decision to pursue transgender treatments should be reserved to adults alone.
The Canadian Pediatric Society (CPS) has said that “gender-affirming medical interventions may be an important component of comprehensive care” for some transgender or gender-diverse adolescents.
The CPS says hormone therapy produces both reversible and irreversible changes and should only be provided to young people who “demonstrate the capacity to understand and appreciate both the benefits and risks of these medications, given their profound effects.”
While the national conversation about trans care was prompted by Smith’s policy announcement, Poilievre said Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is to blame for whipping up the public and the media.
Poilievre called trans health care “a divisive wedge” that’s being used by the Liberal government to “distract from doubling housing costs and quadrupling carbon taxes.”
Employment Minister Randy Boissonnault, a gay man who has become a vocal critic of Smith’s plan, has spoken out about Alberta’s push to demand that some trans kids get parental consent before using their preferred names and pronouns at school.
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If they can’t handle blockers they sure can’t handle puberty.
Only one is permanent.
Unless you live in 17th Century Italy and you want your boy to be the vest singer in the choir!
What does permanent surgical removal of testes have to do with temporary uptake inhibition of either estrogen or testosterone?
Nothing, I was just shitposting from the other side if the pond ;-)
That get your rocks off, does it? 🤨
…shit-stirring about oppressed groups?
…really? The post was clearly a joke, and if it had any stance at all it was the celebration of modern medicine.
Well I guess some people are clearly on edge about some subjects… hard to crack one without scandalizing folks
Ah yes, disingenuous statements about healthcare a marginalized group is having its access to stripped at present. Very funny.
Referencing 17th century castrati?
So, in other words, he’s only for ‘parental rights’ (/s) when they’re useful for suppressing trans rights
Who else would puberty blockers be for?
My understanding is they’re also prescribed to delay very-early onset of puberty. Puberty has started, for some individuals, so young as to be giving birth at age 5. (in India, in that case.)
They have other applications aside from transitioning.
So, they are for minors.
Doesn’t say who else would need puberty blockers other than a minor in those groups.
Probably people with a whole range of medical issues that get swept up in our government trying to hurt “the right people”.
(removed hypothetical (and honestly disgusting) instance where of people over 18 would use them.)
That’s one of the stupidest things I’ve read today.
Where did Pierre get his medical doctorate?
So many countries are taking this stance now with more evidence.
What evidence?
Peer-reviewed NYT op-Eds (/s)
It’s not like these experts and doctors post a list of evidence for how their decision is made. I don’t really know what you expect for me. Maybe you could send some emails to the growing number of health boards?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2023/06/06/increasing-number-of-european-nations-adopt-a-more-cautious-approach-to-gender-affirming-care-among-minors/?sh=1f8247cd7efb