Imagine if 99% of text messages sent were via iMessage, and the EU kept the same ruling
That’s not how the law works, though. If they manage to grow iMessage’s user base to a significant level, they’ll be subject to the DMA. The conclusion isn’t “Apple doesn’t need regulation”, it’s “iMessage isn’t big enough to be considered a threat to the messenger ecosystem”.
Knowing Apple, they’ll probably try to stop their users from switching to iMessage so they don’t get popular enough to need to follow DMA restrictions.
Did you just say Apple would try to prevent their users from switching to iMessage? Apple knows iMessage is a massive selling point for iPhones which is the reason Apple is so afraid of opening iMessage up to begin with.
Not around these parts. I know other European countries have more iPhone users, but across the EU almost everyone has a different messaging app. Could be WhatsApp, could be Facebook Messenger, could be Telegram, could be Viber, but iMessage/SMS/RCS isn’t very popular at all.
Apple removed the ability to install PWAs in the EU update, presumably because they don’t want to give competing browsers the same privilege and are mandated by law to provide an equal playing field, so I don’t think it’d be too far-fetched that Apple would actually dislike growing their iMessage user base. They’re selling plenty of iPhones without it.
@skullgiver For Apple, the US I think is their main market. Here is still that thing that you need to be rich enough to afford, so this is why iMessage is not such a great thing.
I think that by staying below the EU radar they get to keep their walls for the US users, where regulations are more lax and don’t pose any risk for their business model.
Bu that’s the point, it isn’t a selling point in europe. People here mainly use WhatsApp. As a european iPhone user with a lot of other iPhone users in my social circle I pretty much never get an iMessage. I got one two weeks ago, but before that my last iMessage was in 2018. I’ve never heard anyone here talk about blue vs green bubbles and never heard iMessage mentioned in an Android vs iOS discussion.
Well, if you don’t know that, it means that either, you are not a US citizen, which we ruled out, ooooor… oooh, I hate to break it to you but… you have lost touch with “the youngsters” as they say. You are old.
I want to add that it’s not just kids. I have seen it from people in their mid to late 20’s and 30’s too. Apple + iMessage is the default for many people. Maybe not the kind of people using the fediverse but it’s very common in the real world US.
that aside, one of the connections I have to the US has kids and her kids actually experienced some isolation because the kids only had “cheap android” and thus couldn’t use iMessages which was what all the other kids pointedly used because teenagers are suckers for made up common identity bullshit. It was that one specific brand of baggies when I was young, now iit seems to be iPhones in some places.
It is a major point of social pressure. People get legitimately upset when they start a group chat and realize one of the members doesn’t have an iPhone. That absolutely makes it valuable to Apple
I agree it’s a minor irritation by most standards, but when all that’s on the line is making jokes about someone based on their choice of phone there’s no reason not to pressure someone else.
As to sources, I see it happen all the time. I used to be the one who upset people, then I bought an iPhone and almost everyone I texted got really excited to see the color of our chat change. I’ve also seen countless memes about green chat bubbles and people ruining group chats because of their Androids. I’m not sure you’re going to get much more reliable sources than anecdotal ones for something like this.
Okay, I don’t think I was trying to convince anyone. I’m not on Apple’s side here, but I don’t see how less governmental regulation could possibly be worse for Apple.
Believe me, I am for more regulation directed at Apple. I am just saying I’m not seeing evidence that people are buying iPhones for iMessage in any appreciable number.
Okay, I’ve been using an iPhone for over a decade at this point. I’ve seen the memes online and stuff but I have never met a real person who gives a shit? I’ve seen social pressures to sign up for Discord, Telegram & Signal so someone can be added to a group chat. I don’t know anyone that wants to group text message though, it never comes up. That’s kind of the thing with iMessage, to make it “simple” and “just works” Apple made it an extension of texting. But no one texts anymore. It’s basically just wifi calling for text messages but locked to one type of phone. I see this supposed iPhone user talked about all the time but I’ve never once cared about the colour of the bubble or any of this stuff?
Are you still talking about the EU here? I’ve heard that is a common sentiment in America, where iphone and android are about 50/50, but it is not my experience that Apple has enough market share anywhere else to make that a serious consideration.
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That’s not how the law works, though. If they manage to grow iMessage’s user base to a significant level, they’ll be subject to the DMA. The conclusion isn’t “Apple doesn’t need regulation”, it’s “iMessage isn’t big enough to be considered a threat to the messenger ecosystem”.
Knowing Apple, they’ll probably try to stop their users from switching to iMessage so they don’t get popular enough to need to follow DMA restrictions.
Did you just say Apple would try to prevent their users from switching to iMessage? Apple knows iMessage is a massive selling point for iPhones which is the reason Apple is so afraid of opening iMessage up to begin with.
Not around these parts. I know other European countries have more iPhone users, but across the EU almost everyone has a different messaging app. Could be WhatsApp, could be Facebook Messenger, could be Telegram, could be Viber, but iMessage/SMS/RCS isn’t very popular at all.
Apple removed the ability to install PWAs in the EU update, presumably because they don’t want to give competing browsers the same privilege and are mandated by law to provide an equal playing field, so I don’t think it’d be too far-fetched that Apple would actually dislike growing their iMessage user base. They’re selling plenty of iPhones without it.
@skullgiver For Apple, the US I think is their main market. Here is still that thing that you need to be rich enough to afford, so this is why iMessage is not such a great thing.
I think that by staying below the EU radar they get to keep their walls for the US users, where regulations are more lax and don’t pose any risk for their business model.
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Perhaps, but even in the USA Apple seems to be attracting antitrust investigations.
Bu that’s the point, it isn’t a selling point in europe. People here mainly use WhatsApp. As a european iPhone user with a lot of other iPhone users in my social circle I pretty much never get an iMessage. I got one two weeks ago, but before that my last iMessage was in 2018. I’ve never heard anyone here talk about blue vs green bubbles and never heard iMessage mentioned in an Android vs iOS discussion.
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I’ve been told that that’s how the kids roll these days in the US.
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Well, if you don’t know that, it means that either, you are not a US citizen, which we ruled out, ooooor… oooh, I hate to break it to you but… you have lost touch with “the youngsters” as they say. You are old.
I want to add that it’s not just kids. I have seen it from people in their mid to late 20’s and 30’s too. Apple + iMessage is the default for many people. Maybe not the kind of people using the fediverse but it’s very common in the real world US.
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What tone? I was pulling your leg a little, as in “haha u old”, no sarcasm intended.
Regarding the sources: I just did a quick google and here is the most trustworthy source of business insider: https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-iphone-ownership-creates-culture-of-multitasking-2019-6
that aside, one of the connections I have to the US has kids and her kids actually experienced some isolation because the kids only had “cheap android” and thus couldn’t use iMessages which was what all the other kids pointedly used because teenagers are suckers for made up common identity bullshit. It was that one specific brand of baggies when I was young, now iit seems to be iPhones in some places.
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It is a major point of social pressure. People get legitimately upset when they start a group chat and realize one of the members doesn’t have an iPhone. That absolutely makes it valuable to Apple
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I agree it’s a minor irritation by most standards, but when all that’s on the line is making jokes about someone based on their choice of phone there’s no reason not to pressure someone else. As to sources, I see it happen all the time. I used to be the one who upset people, then I bought an iPhone and almost everyone I texted got really excited to see the color of our chat change. I’ve also seen countless memes about green chat bubbles and people ruining group chats because of their Androids. I’m not sure you’re going to get much more reliable sources than anecdotal ones for something like this.
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Okay, I don’t think I was trying to convince anyone. I’m not on Apple’s side here, but I don’t see how less governmental regulation could possibly be worse for Apple.
Believe me, I am for more regulation directed at Apple. I am just saying I’m not seeing evidence that people are buying iPhones for iMessage in any appreciable number.
Okay, I’ve been using an iPhone for over a decade at this point. I’ve seen the memes online and stuff but I have never met a real person who gives a shit? I’ve seen social pressures to sign up for Discord, Telegram & Signal so someone can be added to a group chat. I don’t know anyone that wants to group text message though, it never comes up. That’s kind of the thing with iMessage, to make it “simple” and “just works” Apple made it an extension of texting. But no one texts anymore. It’s basically just wifi calling for text messages but locked to one type of phone. I see this supposed iPhone user talked about all the time but I’ve never once cared about the colour of the bubble or any of this stuff?
Are you still talking about the EU here? I’ve heard that is a common sentiment in America, where iphone and android are about 50/50, but it is not my experience that Apple has enough market share anywhere else to make that a serious consideration.