I’m so sick of this discussion. Your opinions and feelings don’t matter. The reality is you have a binary choice. Do you want A or do you want B? That’s the reality.
Regarding Gaza, do you want A) the current genocide, or B) a much bigger one? If you vote for a third party, you’re tipping the result towards B, because you were never voting for B in the first place.
Instead of voting for A, perhaps you could think of it as voting against B? Because those are the only two possible outcomes. Pick one.
I honestly think people left of center have lost their minds with this stuff.
I honestly think people left of center have lost their minds with this stuff.
I think the actual human people on Lemmy have their minds very much on-point about this stuff.
There are a handful of very vocal accounts who are saying a particular way to look at Biden that makes absolutely no sense if you examine it for 2 seconds, but they all behave in a particular type of way that isn’t really consistent with how people who genuinely believe the things they’re saying (whether right or wrong) behave.
Trump having a second term is not, like, an ambiguous or borderline situation. I think the vast, vast majority of actual human Lemmy people are not at all confused about what will be the results of “voting for Trump” vs. “voting for Biden” vs. “not voting” in this upcoming election.
I just want to ask the question, will Biden actually improve things once he isn’t worried about burning the good will of voters? Can we only ever vote for genocide, or genocide with an apology tacked on to the end of it?
honestly think people left of center have lost their minds with this stuff.
despite all of the postering and hand wringing on lemmy, I dont think this is broadly true. in this insane moment, any still sane individual can see a demonstrable difference between the two candidates being shoved down our throats and, once again, hold their nose and pick the lesser of two evils in a national election.
with luck the orange clusterfuck remains out of office, and perhaps this country may finally have develped the maturity for a national conversation about (and push for) ranked choice voting - in spite of ruling class wishes.
I honestly think people left of center have lost their minds with this stuff.
You wonder how real some of these people are. They make a few topics the main reason to oppose Biden, but excuse them for any other politician, especially ones that will make it even worse. They always come off as non-American agitators. Many of which seem to be just Russian actors on top of that.
It’s worse than that. I have no idea why it’s apparently important enough to me for me to want to investigate as much as I have, but just from the last few days:
Here, I ask one of them what he thinks about a topic not connected to the election and he angrily refuses to answer because I must be trying to trick him or something.
Here one of them lapses into total nonsense when forced to go beyond his talking points; he says that Biden wasn’t trying hard enough to make change, and when I point out concrete ways that Biden actually enacted what he was talking about and was sometimes overruled on it, he said that Biden could have ignored the Supreme Court’s cancellation of his order because it “doesn’t have an enforcement arm”.
I have a bunch more examples. But generally they are articulate and on-the-surface sensible when spouting one of a handful of talking points in a variety of different contexts and with different decoration around them, but anything outside that, they react like no human being I’ve ever had a conversation with.
Which is why many of them probably aren’t. They’re agitators from outside the US. At best, very poorly informed people from other countries with some obsession with US politics. At worst, people intending to spread misinformation.
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I’m so sick of this discussion. Your opinions and feelings don’t matter. The reality is you have a binary choice. Do you want A or do you want B? That’s the reality.
Regarding Gaza, do you want A) the current genocide, or B) a much bigger one? If you vote for a third party, you’re tipping the result towards B, because you were never voting for B in the first place.
Instead of voting for A, perhaps you could think of it as voting against B? Because those are the only two possible outcomes. Pick one.
I honestly think people left of center have lost their minds with this stuff.
I think the actual human people on Lemmy have their minds very much on-point about this stuff.
There are a handful of very vocal accounts who are saying a particular way to look at Biden that makes absolutely no sense if you examine it for 2 seconds, but they all behave in a particular type of way that isn’t really consistent with how people who genuinely believe the things they’re saying (whether right or wrong) behave.
Trump having a second term is not, like, an ambiguous or borderline situation. I think the vast, vast majority of actual human Lemmy people are not at all confused about what will be the results of “voting for Trump” vs. “voting for Biden” vs. “not voting” in this upcoming election.
I just want to ask the question, will Biden actually improve things once he isn’t worried about burning the good will of voters? Can we only ever vote for genocide, or genocide with an apology tacked on to the end of it?
despite all of the postering and hand wringing on lemmy, I dont think this is broadly true. in this insane moment, any still sane individual can see a demonstrable difference between the two candidates being shoved down our throats and, once again, hold their nose and pick the lesser of two evils in a national election.
with luck the orange clusterfuck remains out of office, and perhaps this country may finally have develped the maturity for a national conversation about (and push for) ranked choice voting - in spite of ruling class wishes.
We have this in Maine and fucking love it!
It’s so good! I’d love to see our neighboring states make the move to it or STAR voting
You wonder how real some of these people are. They make a few topics the main reason to oppose Biden, but excuse them for any other politician, especially ones that will make it even worse. They always come off as non-American agitators. Many of which seem to be just Russian actors on top of that.
It’s worse than that. I have no idea why it’s apparently important enough to me for me to want to investigate as much as I have, but just from the last few days:
I have a bunch more examples. But generally they are articulate and on-the-surface sensible when spouting one of a handful of talking points in a variety of different contexts and with different decoration around them, but anything outside that, they react like no human being I’ve ever had a conversation with.
Which is why many of them probably aren’t. They’re agitators from outside the US. At best, very poorly informed people from other countries with some obsession with US politics. At worst, people intending to spread misinformation.