I recognize this will vary depending on how much you self-host, so I’m curious about the range of experiences from the few self-hosted things to the many self-hosted things.
Also how might you compare it to other maintenance of your other online systems (e.g. personal computer/phone/etc.)?
Typically, very little. I have ~40 containers in my Docker stack and by in large it just works. I upgrade stuff here and there as needed. I am getting ready to do a hardware refresh but again with Docker that’s pretty painless.
Most of the time spent in my lab is trying out new things. I’ll find a new something that looks cool and go down the rabbit hole with it for a while. Then back to the status quo.
If my ISP didn’t constantly break my network from their side, I’d have effectively no downtime and nearly zero maintenance. I don’t live on the bleeding edge and I don’t do anything particularly experimental and most of my containers are as minimal as possible
I built my own x86 router with OpnSense
Proxmox hypervisor
Cheapo WiFi AP
Thinkcentre NAS (just 1 drive, debian with Samba)
Containers: Tor relay, gonic, corrade, owot, apache, backups, dns, owncast
I have just been round my small setup and run an OS update, took about an hour. That includes a reboot of a dedicated server with OVH.
a pi and mini PC at home, a dedi at OVH running 2 LXC and 5 qemu vms. All deb a mix of 11 and 12.
I spend Wednesday evenings checking what updates need installing, I get an email every week from newreleases.io with software updates and run Semaphore to check on OS updates.
I opted weekly so I could store longer time periods. If I want to go a month back I just need 4 instead of 30. At least that was the main Idea. I’ve definitely realized I fucked something up weeks ago without noticing before lol.
I’ve got PBS setup to keep 7 daily backups and 4 weekly backups. I used to have it retaining multiple monthly backups but realized I never need those and since I sync my backups volume to B2 it was costing me $$.
What I need to do is shop around for a storage VM in the cloud that I could install PBS on. Then I could have more granular control over what’s synced instead the current all-or-nothing approach. I just don’t think I’m going to find something that comes in at B2 pricing and reliability.
highly recommend doing infrastructure-as-code, it makes it really easy to git commit and save a previously working state, so you can backtrack when something goes wrong
Got any decent guides on how to do it? I guess a docker compose file can do most of the work there, not sure about volume backups and other dependencies in the OS.
I get it, the inventory is just a list of all servers and PC you are trying to manage and the playbooks contain every step you would take if you would configure everything manually.
I’ll be honest when you first set it up it’s daunting but that’s the thing! You only need to do it once, then you can deploy and redeploy anything you have in minutes.
For some reason my DNS tends to break the most. I have to reinstall my Pi-hole semi-regularly.
NixOS plus Docker is my preferred setup for hosting applications. Sometime it is a pain to get running but once it does it tends to run. If a container doesn’t work, restart it. If the OS doesn’t work, roll it back.
Very minimal. Mostly just run updates every now and then and fix what breaks which is relatively rare. The Docker stacks in particular are quite painless.
Couple websites, Lemmy, Matrix, a whole email stack, DNS, IRC bouncer, NextCloud, WireGuard, Jitsi, a Minecraft server and I believe that’s about it?
I’m a DevOps engineer at work, managing 2k+ VMs that I can more than keep up with. I’d say it varies more with experience and how it’s set up than how much you manage. When you use Ansible and Terraform and Kubernetes, the count of servers and services isn’t really important. One, five, ten, a thousand servers, it matters very little since you just run Ansible on them and 5 minutes later it’s all up and running. I don’t use that for my own servers out of laziness but still, I set most of that stuff 10 years ago and it’s still happily humming along just fine.
+1 for docker and minimal maintenance. Only updates or new containers might break stuff. If you don’t touch it, it will be fine. Of course there might be some container specific problems. Depends what you want to run. And I’m not a devops engineer like Max 😅
Same same - just one update a week on Friday btw 2 yawns of the 4VMs and 10-15 services i have + quarterly backup.
Does not involve much + the odd ad-hoc re-linking the reverse proxy when containers switch ips on the docker network when the VM restarts/resets
If you set it up really well, you’ll probably only need to invest maybe an hour or so every week or two. But it also depends on what kind of maintenance you mean. I spend a lot of time downloading things and putting them in the right place so that my TV is properly entertaining. Is that maintenance? As for updating things, I’ve set up most of that to be automatic. The stuff that’s not automatic, like pulling new docker images, I do every couple weeks. Sometimes that involves running update scripts or changing configs. Usually it’s just a couple commands.
Yeah, to clarify I don’t mean organizing/arranging files as a part of maintenance, moreso handling different installs/configs/updating. Sometimes since more folks come around to ask for help it can appear as if it’s all much more involved to maintain than it may otherwise be (with a mix of the right setups and knowledge to deal with any hiccups).
After my Nextcloud server just killed itself from an update and I ditched that junk software, nearly zero maintenance.
I have
autoupdates on.
daily borgbackups to hetzner storage box.
auto snapshots of the servers and hetzer.
cloud-init scripts ready for any of the servers.
Xpipe for management
keepass as a backup for all the ssh keys and password
And I have never used any of those … it just runs and keeps running.
I am selfhosting
a website
a booking service for me
caldav server
forgejo
opengist
jitsi
I need to setup some file sharing thing (Nextcloud replacement) but I am not sure what. My usecase is mainly 1) Archiving junk 2) syncing files between three devices 3) streaming my music collection
I actually moved from seafile to nextcloud, because when I have two PCs running simultaneously it would constantly have sync errors and required manually resolving them all the time. Sadly nextcloud wasn’t really better. But I am now looking for solutions that can avoid file conflicts with two simultaneous clients.
It’s bursty; I tend to do a lot of work on stuff when I do a hardware upgrade, but otherwise it’s set it and forget it for the most part. The only servers I pay any significant attention to in terms of frequent maintenance and security checks are the MTAs in the DMZ for my email. Nothing else is exposed to the internet for inbound traffic except a game server VM that’s segregated (credential-wise and network-wise) from everything else, so if it does get compromised it would be a very minimal danger to the rest of my network. Everything either has automated updates, or for servers I want more control over I manually update them when the mood strikes me or a big vulnerability that affects my software hits the news.
TL;DR If you averaged it over a year, I maybe spend 30-60 minutes a week on self hosting maintenance tasks for 4 physical servers and about 20 VM’s.
+1 automate your backup rolling, setup your monitoring and alerting and then ignore everything until something actually goes wrong. I touch my lab a handful of times a year when it’s time for major updates, otherwise it basically runs itself.
I run two local physical servers, one production and one dev (and a third prod2 kept in case of a prod1 failure), and two remote production/backup servers all running Proxmox, and two VPSs. Most apps are dockerised inside LXC containers (on Proxmox) or just docker on Ubuntu (VPSs). Each of the three locations runs a Synology NAS in addition to the server.
Backups run automatically, and I manually run apt updates on everything each weekend with a single ansible playbook. Every host runs a little golang program that exposes the memory and disk use percent as a JSON endpoint, and I use two instances of Uptime Kuma (one local, and one on fly.io) to monitor all of those with keywords.
So -
weekly: 10 minutes to run the update playbook, and I usually ssh into the VPS’s, have a look at the Fail2Ban stats and reboot them if needed. I also look at each of the Proxmox GUIs to check the backs have been working as expected.
Monthly: stop the local prod machine and switch to the prod2 machine (from backups) for a few days. Probably 30 minutes each way, most of it waiting for backups.
From time to time (if I hear of a security update), but generally every three months: Look through my container versions and see if I want to update them. They’re on docker compose so the steps are just backup the LXC, docker down, pull, up - probs 5 minutes per container.
Yearly: consider if I need to do operating systems - eg to Proxmox 8, or a new Debian or Ubuntu LTS
Yearly: visit the remotes and have a proper check/clean up/updates
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Typically, very little. I have ~40 containers in my Docker stack and by in large it just works. I upgrade stuff here and there as needed. I am getting ready to do a hardware refresh but again with Docker that’s pretty painless.
Most of the time spent in my lab is trying out new things. I’ll find a new something that looks cool and go down the rabbit hole with it for a while. Then back to the status quo.
If my ISP didn’t constantly break my network from their side, I’d have effectively no downtime and nearly zero maintenance. I don’t live on the bleeding edge and I don’t do anything particularly experimental and most of my containers are as minimal as possible
I built my own x86 router with OpnSense Proxmox hypervisor Cheapo WiFi AP Thinkcentre NAS (just 1 drive, debian with Samba) Containers: Tor relay, gonic, corrade, owot, apache, backups, dns, owncast
All of this just works if I leave it alone
I have just been round my small setup and run an OS update, took about an hour. That includes a reboot of a dedicated server with OVH.
a pi and mini PC at home, a dedi at OVH running 2 LXC and 5 qemu vms. All deb a mix of 11 and 12.
I spend Wednesday evenings checking what updates need installing, I get an email every week from newreleases.io with software updates and run Semaphore to check on OS updates.
Huge amounts of daily maintenance because I lack self control and keep changing things that were previously working.
I have weekly backups of my VMs in Proxmox. Fuck it lol.
Nightly backups to a repurposed qnap running pbs. I’m fully aware it’s overkill but it gives me some peace of mind.
I opted weekly so I could store longer time periods. If I want to go a month back I just need 4 instead of 30. At least that was the main Idea. I’ve definitely realized I fucked something up weeks ago without noticing before lol.
I’ve got PBS setup to keep 7 daily backups and 4 weekly backups. I used to have it retaining multiple monthly backups but realized I never need those and since I sync my backups volume to B2 it was costing me $$.
What I need to do is shop around for a storage VM in the cloud that I could install PBS on. Then I could have more granular control over what’s synced instead the current all-or-nothing approach. I just don’t think I’m going to find something that comes in at B2 pricing and reliability.
highly recommend doing infrastructure-as-code, it makes it really easy to git commit and save a previously working state, so you can backtrack when something goes wrong
Ansible is great for this!
Got any decent guides on how to do it? I guess a docker compose file can do most of the work there, not sure about volume backups and other dependencies in the OS.
Sorry I replied to the parent comment, but check out Ansible
Oh I think i tried at one point and when the guide started talking about inventory, playbooks and hosts in the first step it broke me a little xd
I get it, the inventory is just a list of all servers and PC you are trying to manage and the playbooks contain every step you would take if you would configure everything manually.
I’ll be honest when you first set it up it’s daunting but that’s the thing! You only need to do it once, then you can deploy and redeploy anything you have in minutes.
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For some reason my DNS tends to break the most. I have to reinstall my Pi-hole semi-regularly.
NixOS plus Docker is my preferred setup for hosting applications. Sometime it is a pain to get running but once it does it tends to run. If a container doesn’t work, restart it. If the OS doesn’t work, roll it back.
Very minimal. Mostly just run updates every now and then and fix what breaks which is relatively rare. The Docker stacks in particular are quite painless.
Couple websites, Lemmy, Matrix, a whole email stack, DNS, IRC bouncer, NextCloud, WireGuard, Jitsi, a Minecraft server and I believe that’s about it?
I’m a DevOps engineer at work, managing 2k+ VMs that I can more than keep up with. I’d say it varies more with experience and how it’s set up than how much you manage. When you use Ansible and Terraform and Kubernetes, the count of servers and services isn’t really important. One, five, ten, a thousand servers, it matters very little since you just run Ansible on them and 5 minutes later it’s all up and running. I don’t use that for my own servers out of laziness but still, I set most of that stuff 10 years ago and it’s still happily humming along just fine.
+1 for docker and minimal maintenance. Only updates or new containers might break stuff. If you don’t touch it, it will be fine. Of course there might be some container specific problems. Depends what you want to run. And I’m not a devops engineer like Max 😅
Same same - just one update a week on Friday btw 2 yawns of the 4VMs and 10-15 services i have + quarterly backup. Does not involve much + the odd ad-hoc re-linking the reverse proxy when containers switch ips on the docker network when the VM restarts/resets
If you set it up really well, you’ll probably only need to invest maybe an hour or so every week or two. But it also depends on what kind of maintenance you mean. I spend a lot of time downloading things and putting them in the right place so that my TV is properly entertaining. Is that maintenance? As for updating things, I’ve set up most of that to be automatic. The stuff that’s not automatic, like pulling new docker images, I do every couple weeks. Sometimes that involves running update scripts or changing configs. Usually it’s just a couple commands.
Yeah, to clarify I don’t mean organizing/arranging files as a part of maintenance, moreso handling different installs/configs/updating. Sometimes since more folks come around to ask for help it can appear as if it’s all much more involved to maintain than it may otherwise be (with a mix of the right setups and knowledge to deal with any hiccups).
After my Nextcloud server just killed itself from an update and I ditched that junk software, nearly zero maintenance.
I have
And I have never used any of those … it just runs and keeps running.
I am selfhosting
I need to setup some file sharing thing (Nextcloud replacement) but I am not sure what. My usecase is mainly 1) Archiving junk 2) syncing files between three devices 3) streaming my music collection
I moved form next cloud to seafile. The file sync is so much better than next cloud and own cloud.
It has a normal windows client and also a mount type client (seadrive) which is also amazing for large libraries.
I have mine setup with oAuth via Authentik and it works super well.
I actually moved from seafile to nextcloud, because when I have two PCs running simultaneously it would constantly have sync errors and required manually resolving them all the time. Sadly nextcloud wasn’t really better. But I am now looking for solutions that can avoid file conflicts with two simultaneous clients.
Are you changing the same files at the same time?
I have multiple computers syncing into the same library all the time without issue.
Rarely. But there is some offline laptop use compounded with slow sync times. (I was running it on a raspi with external usb hdd enclosure)
Either way, I’d like something less fragile. I’ll test seafile again sometime, thanks.
It’s bursty; I tend to do a lot of work on stuff when I do a hardware upgrade, but otherwise it’s set it and forget it for the most part. The only servers I pay any significant attention to in terms of frequent maintenance and security checks are the MTAs in the DMZ for my email. Nothing else is exposed to the internet for inbound traffic except a game server VM that’s segregated (credential-wise and network-wise) from everything else, so if it does get compromised it would be a very minimal danger to the rest of my network. Everything either has automated updates, or for servers I want more control over I manually update them when the mood strikes me or a big vulnerability that affects my software hits the news.
TL;DR If you averaged it over a year, I maybe spend 30-60 minutes a week on self hosting maintenance tasks for 4 physical servers and about 20 VM’s.
sometimes I remember I’m self hosting things
+1 automate your backup rolling, setup your monitoring and alerting and then ignore everything until something actually goes wrong. I touch my lab a handful of times a year when it’s time for major updates, otherwise it basically runs itself.
As long as you remember before you turn off the computer!
my main PC hosts nothing, everything else is always on
I don’t understand. “Turn… off?”
neofetch proudly displaying 5 months of uptime
I run two local physical servers, one production and one dev (and a third prod2 kept in case of a prod1 failure), and two remote production/backup servers all running Proxmox, and two VPSs. Most apps are dockerised inside LXC containers (on Proxmox) or just docker on Ubuntu (VPSs). Each of the three locations runs a Synology NAS in addition to the server.
Backups run automatically, and I manually run apt updates on everything each weekend with a single ansible playbook. Every host runs a little golang program that exposes the memory and disk use percent as a JSON endpoint, and I use two instances of Uptime Kuma (one local, and one on fly.io) to monitor all of those with keywords.
So -
love fly.io
fun fact, lemdro.id is hosted entirely on fly.io
A lot less since I started using docker instead of running separate vms for everything. Less systems to update is bliss.
As a complete noob trying to make A TrueNAS server, none and then suddenly lots when idk how to fix something that broke