It is insane to pick MacOS over Windows in this day and age. It’s a user experience nightmare.
Why the fuck does the OS reserve an inch at the bottom for a dock that doesn’t even tell me what windows are open AND a mandatory title bar at the top AND forces all windows to have their own title bar at the top?
Use Edge or Firefox with vertical tabs on Windows and you legit have like 20% more screen real estate than OSX. And don’t even get me started on window snapping or how every window has a full screen zoom button that none need.
I’m 21, but of all my friends (using Linux, Windows and macOS) I think no-one would say that UI is the strength of Windows and weakness of macOS.
To be fair, your comment sounds like you’re (rather) accustomed to Windows. Every operating system works differently, has different settings, etc. and you need to get used to their own way how you do stuff. If you come from Windows to macOS and expect it to be the same and be against every difference, yeah, you’ll think Windows has the better UI.
What I listed aren’t just customary ways of doing things, they’re objectively bad UX patterns.
Forcing 3 different horizontal bars on a screen that is wider than it is long needs a reason and justification to be there, one that MacOS does not have in the face of Windows’ simplified yet more useful layout.
I used Windows most of my life but have used MacOS day in day out for the past several years for work, and it’s worse at its main job of actually managing your day to day applications.
Windows has actually improved enormously over the past 5-10 years in terms of window management, with snapping, powertoys, rock solid multimonitor support that always remembers which apps should be where etc. Like I said, people are just caught up by their reputations, if you use both on a day to day basis there’s no way you’ll find MacOS more convenient.
Edit: though in the spirit of concession I will concede that I’ve come to prefer MacOS’s ctrl+space to search, and prefer enter to rename a file instead of f2, however, the former at least can be added to windows with power toys.
I’m more comfortable with macOS than Windows and find many of the UX patterns on Windows to be grating. It doesn’t mean Windows is insane, just that I’m more accustomed to the macOS patterns.
FWIW the Dock can be hidden, and the menu bar at the top can hide as well when an app is in full screen mode.
They objectively are. If you hide the dock there is zero onscreen glanceable indicator to tell you what windows and apps are running, and full screen makes external monitors go black and be unusable until you exit.
Literally just did it. Press the green button, app goes full screen, other two monitors turn black. Same thing happens when someone starts screensharing with zoom and it goes full screen.
Is it the application you’re using?
Something bugged on your system?
Is it an older system where maybe that was a shortcoming?
I pulled up my Mac which I use to use with multiple monitors many times and tested again to ensure I wasn’t crazy and nope. I can have two different full screen apps open at the same time, one on each monitor.
Or a full screen on one, and the other just showing windowed applications with my dock visible.
I’m not one to stan for mac because I’d rather just use Linux, but there’s a little dot under the icon in the dock if the application is open (windows has a line which is definitely more visible), and you can change the size of the dock. I make it as small as possible and have it grow big when hovering. You can also put it on any side, doesn’t have to be the bottom, or horizontal, and it can be hidden so it doesn’t take any space unless you mouse over the edge. I think the top bar can work like that too. I hate having things pop up so I don’t do that, I just try to minimize the resting screen space used. With my settings it takes up about as much space as the windows task bar.
You can also fullscreen apps and use multi desktop if you really need all your screen space. The laptop work gave me has a notch for the webcam so the os reserves space at at the top for fullscreen as well otherwise apps would be getting part of it cut off (i.e., search bar on slack), but it’s 16:10 so whatever.
That being said… let it out bro, I get red in the face any time I have to use MS office products for work lmao
What? No! There are nu GNU libs, no Linux kernel but DOS! They use NTFS and do you know by what cruel abonimation of a process they load shared libraries?? Have you ever tried to compile anything besides java in that monstrosity or even properly install a compiler without loosing the complete grasp on reality?
Ok replying to my super old thread now because I hadn’t been checking my inbox. I thought it would be clear that I’m referring to WSL, not the actual windows kernel. It’s tightly integrated enough that you effectively have the windows gui with a Linux shell running the distro of your choice, which is able to access all your windows files, compile and run services for development etc. IMO it’s a MUCH nicer experience than OSX precisely because it’s actual gnu+Linux instead of the crusty bsd stuff that comes with OSX.
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It is insane to pick MacOS over Windows in this day and age. It’s a user experience nightmare.
Why the fuck does the OS reserve an inch at the bottom for a dock that doesn’t even tell me what windows are open AND a mandatory title bar at the top AND forces all windows to have their own title bar at the top?
Use Edge or Firefox with vertical tabs on Windows and you legit have like 20% more screen real estate than OSX. And don’t even get me started on window snapping or how every window has a full screen zoom button that none need.
Damn, the take that macOS had worse UI than Windows is really something haha
Still reliving the glory days of those I’m a mac ads?
I’m 21, but of all my friends (using Linux, Windows and macOS) I think no-one would say that UI is the strength of Windows and weakness of macOS.
To be fair, your comment sounds like you’re (rather) accustomed to Windows. Every operating system works differently, has different settings, etc. and you need to get used to their own way how you do stuff. If you come from Windows to macOS and expect it to be the same and be against every difference, yeah, you’ll think Windows has the better UI.
What I listed aren’t just customary ways of doing things, they’re objectively bad UX patterns.
Forcing 3 different horizontal bars on a screen that is wider than it is long needs a reason and justification to be there, one that MacOS does not have in the face of Windows’ simplified yet more useful layout.
I used Windows most of my life but have used MacOS day in day out for the past several years for work, and it’s worse at its main job of actually managing your day to day applications.
Windows has actually improved enormously over the past 5-10 years in terms of window management, with snapping, powertoys, rock solid multimonitor support that always remembers which apps should be where etc. Like I said, people are just caught up by their reputations, if you use both on a day to day basis there’s no way you’ll find MacOS more convenient.
Edit: though in the spirit of concession I will concede that I’ve come to prefer MacOS’s ctrl+space to search, and prefer enter to rename a file instead of f2, however, the former at least can be added to windows with power toys.
I’m more comfortable with macOS than Windows and find many of the UX patterns on Windows to be grating. It doesn’t mean Windows is insane, just that I’m more accustomed to the macOS patterns.
FWIW the Dock can be hidden, and the menu bar at the top can hide as well when an app is in full screen mode.
Then I have no way of even knowing what apps are running, let alone what windows.
And then both my other monitors are black and unusable.
Neither of those assertions are true, I don’t think you’re arguing from an informed position.
They objectively are. If you hide the dock there is zero onscreen glanceable indicator to tell you what windows and apps are running, and full screen makes external monitors go black and be unusable until you exit.
That is not how full screen works on Mac. Why are you asserting something demonstrably false?
Literally just did it. Press the green button, app goes full screen, other two monitors turn black. Same thing happens when someone starts screensharing with zoom and it goes full screen.
Is it the application you’re using? Something bugged on your system? Is it an older system where maybe that was a shortcoming?
I pulled up my Mac which I use to use with multiple monitors many times and tested again to ensure I wasn’t crazy and nope. I can have two different full screen apps open at the same time, one on each monitor.
Or a full screen on one, and the other just showing windowed applications with my dock visible.
I’m not one to stan for mac because I’d rather just use Linux, but there’s a little dot under the icon in the dock if the application is open (windows has a line which is definitely more visible), and you can change the size of the dock. I make it as small as possible and have it grow big when hovering. You can also put it on any side, doesn’t have to be the bottom, or horizontal, and it can be hidden so it doesn’t take any space unless you mouse over the edge. I think the top bar can work like that too. I hate having things pop up so I don’t do that, I just try to minimize the resting screen space used. With my settings it takes up about as much space as the windows task bar.
You can also fullscreen apps and use multi desktop if you really need all your screen space. The laptop work gave me has a notch for the webcam so the os reserves space at at the top for fullscreen as well otherwise apps would be getting part of it cut off (i.e., search bar on slack), but it’s 16:10 so whatever.
That being said… let it out bro, I get red in the face any time I have to use MS office products for work lmao
This post is 2 years old. Why is a bunch of posts from this community suddenly showing up as Hot?
Same is happening to me and now that everyone is commenting on them they will keep showing up lol
I’ve blocked this Community for the time being haha. Seems to be the only community being wonky like this for the time being.
BeOS was the best desktop OS of its day, and from an end user POV still has features that I miss every day.
Have you tried Haiku?
I love it, though I haven’t tried using it as a daily driver in a long time. I should give it a whirl!
Isn’t that just MINIX?
I think it is slightly modified, but yeah I think it is basically Minix.
So is Minix one of the most popular OSes in the world?
Old school Unix was great and FreeBSD
GLaDOS demands to be on the list, or you won’t receive cake.
The cake is a lie.
If you do not love TempleOS, you are not a true lover of OSes.
I can’t. I do not deserve to use TempleOS.
Tru64 is the greatest OS!
Don’t forget temple os
Modern windows is Linux with a gui that can run windows apps, which is to say it’s actually pretty great imo
Windows 11 is Linux like my car is a Bluetooth headset.
What? No! There are nu GNU libs, no Linux kernel but DOS! They use NTFS and do you know by what cruel abonimation of a process they load shared libraries?? Have you ever tried to compile anything besides java in that monstrosity or even properly install a compiler without loosing the complete grasp on reality?
Ok replying to my super old thread now because I hadn’t been checking my inbox. I thought it would be clear that I’m referring to WSL, not the actual windows kernel. It’s tightly integrated enough that you effectively have the windows gui with a Linux shell running the distro of your choice, which is able to access all your windows files, compile and run services for development etc. IMO it’s a MUCH nicer experience than OSX precisely because it’s actual gnu+Linux instead of the crusty bsd stuff that comes with OSX.
Anyway apologies for the confusion.
It most definitely is not, if you had said OSX I would let it slide because it’s slightly similar, but windows is exactly nothing like you said.
The NT Kernel is not the Linux kernel. You never need to edit a registry in Linux and the default filesystem is just objectively better in Linux
I haven’t seen the linux packet managers which are absolutely essential on Linux…
AmigaOS