If WASM+WASI existed in 2008, we wouldn’t have needed to created Docker. That’s how important it is. Webassembly on the server is the future of computing. A standardized system interface was the missing link. Let’s hope WASI is up to the task!
I think WASM/WASI still has a ways to go before that’s realistic, but I’d keep an eye on them for the future.
From what I heard, podman doesn’t require root but that’s about it. On the other side, it’s a redhat thing and it’s not as popular which means less documented and less containers
From a practical standpoint I’m really not qualified recommend one over the other, but the licensing is different. Podman also seems to be more “open source-y,” but I’m going on vibes here; perhaps someone more knowledgeable can elucidate.
I would suggest that if someone is using neither, perhaps consider podman as open source. However, I too would need a reason to move. I mainly use synology for images, so its their container manager, rather than docker but my understanding is its docker under the hood.
Supposed to be an easy, if not a drop in replacement afaik, it’s under a permissive licence (Apache 2.0), beyond that it’s authored by RedHat I can’t tell you much else, it’s something I’ve been considering moving to personally (and work, pretty much for licencing and the few of us that want to use more open tech stacks) I just haven’t had a chance to work with it.
Supposedly able to pull docker images and work with docker-compose, just not swarm.
I honestly and truly don’t want to spend time relearning another system like this, especially one without decades of documentation and support available.
But that logic makes no sense, tbf, given how container was way back in BSD. I like how it is a balanced choice between an ephemeral environment and virtualization.
If we are talking about how NodeJS is the biggest pain in the ass to maintain for distros, and how they’ve forcibly tied V8 into the repository, that I’d agree gladly.
As a friendly trash-dev, I’d recommend never to open the deps folder, I’d bet that most of you folks will have a stroke.
Oh yes, that I agree on. And I’ve been following WASM, although not with great enthusiasm. Guile has Hoots integration, and I believe there was a Scheme game jam recently with most projects using this.
I think the very long-term goal is for it to be the universal virtual machine, for all front-ends and all back-ends, and for all popular programming languages. And given that its status on the browser has already been secured, I don’t think it’s impossible for the long-term vision to be reached, eventually.
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Missing a comma: “Stop, use Docker.” But actually, use Podman.
Relatedly, a 2019 tweet from Solomon Hykes, the creator of Docker: https://x.com/solomonstre/status/1111004913222324225
I think WASM/WASI still has a ways to go before that’s realistic, but I’d keep an eye on them for the future.
As someone who has used and loved Docker since 2015, but never used Podman, can you explain the difference and why I might want to make the switch?
From what I heard, podman doesn’t require root but that’s about it. On the other side, it’s a redhat thing and it’s not as popular which means less documented and less containers
From a practical standpoint I’m really not qualified recommend one over the other, but the licensing is different. Podman also seems to be more “open source-y,” but I’m going on vibes here; perhaps someone more knowledgeable can elucidate.
edit: sorry, I replied to the wrong comment.
Why would you recommend people make the effort to switch to Podman if you can’t name any benefits of doing so?
I would suggest that if someone is using neither, perhaps consider podman as open source. However, I too would need a reason to move. I mainly use synology for images, so its their container manager, rather than docker but my understanding is its docker under the hood.
Supposed to be an easy, if not a drop in replacement afaik, it’s under a permissive licence (Apache 2.0), beyond that it’s authored by RedHat I can’t tell you much else, it’s something I’ve been considering moving to personally (and work, pretty much for licencing and the few of us that want to use more open tech stacks) I just haven’t had a chance to work with it.
Supposedly able to pull docker images and work with docker-compose, just not swarm.
If you want to lose most of your tooling and community support, Podman is a great way to go.
I honestly and truly don’t want to spend time relearning another system like this, especially one without decades of documentation and support available.
Depending on how old you are, eventually that choice may no longer be up to you.
My plan is to burn out soon, and work on projects for fun/side jobs. Corporate world has absolutely vacuumed my life long passion in the past 5 years.
But that logic makes no sense, tbf, given how container was way back in BSD. I like how it is a balanced choice between an ephemeral environment and virtualization.
If we are talking about how NodeJS is the biggest pain in the ass to maintain for distros, and how they’ve forcibly tied V8 into the repository, that I’d agree gladly.
As a friendly trash-dev, I’d recommend never to open the deps folder, I’d bet that most of you folks will have a stroke.
If you’re thinking in terms of JavaScript, then you must not be aware that WASM/WASI is a vastly more ambitious project than you know.
Oh yes, that I agree on. And I’ve been following WASM, although not with great enthusiasm. Guile has Hoots integration, and I believe there was a Scheme game jam recently with most projects using this.
I think the very long-term goal is for it to be the universal virtual machine, for all front-ends and all back-ends, and for all popular programming languages. And given that its status on the browser has already been secured, I don’t think it’s impossible for the long-term vision to be reached, eventually.
It’s too late, we can’t contain it
Yeah, that ship has sailed.
Lol
Worse things happen at sea.
images were meant to be trapped in cabinet files
Laughs in Proxmox + NixOS
(yes I know not for every usecase)
I dropped the proxmox part.
Nixos ftw
I’m waiting for the Proxmox NixOS project to take off. I like the (network) seperability.