I’m interested in setting up a small static-site-generator site. Looked at 11ty recently and feel pretty uncomfortable with the amount of javascript and “funny language” churn just to make some html happen.
Do you know of any alternative that’s simpler / easier / less complicated dependencies? Or do you have an approach to 11ty that you think I should try?
Thanks in advance for any input, it’s appreciated!
I used Zola for a while, but at the end of the day there wasnt enough themes available that fit what I was looking for. I ended up messing with the templating engine to get what I needed.
I suggest OP choose Hugo over Zola, in the hopes that they find a theme that suits them best and for the most part prevents them from having to touch templating to begin with.
It has RSS built-in, but since it is a static site generator, it does not support ActivityPub out of the box. But I do think I have seen implementations with some custom JavaScript.
I use Hugo and I’ve been pretty happy with it. It has a lot of layout templates you can use out of the box so you don’t need to learn a new templating language unless you want to do customizations. I write blogs in markdown and it’s automatically rendered and published.
Thanks for the heads up. That feels like the same roadblock I got with 11ty. It ran OK on markdown, but one you dig into how wide the customizations go I couldn’t keep up.
I used Hugo for my portfolio site, and it’s great if you like an existing theme, but making one from scratch is a challenge. The documentation is unclear and there’s a chicken and egg problem about how to learn Hugo.
The go templating is OK, I prefer other syntax but it works.
I want to second Pelican for Python. Really easy to set up and get going. No need to learn a complicated templating language (it’s jinja2, which is what everything uses).
I’m looking for something similar that I can host in blue host, but all there is, apparently, is WordPress (hell no), joomla and drupal, and these are certainly not static.
That’s like the OG crew of web content haha. I used to be pretty big on Wordpress, but then two of my sites got compromised (through a plugin probably?), and of course the recent kerfluffle going on.
I did try setting up 11ty, despite my misgivings over node.js. Using Markdown went OK, except it wouldn’t render explicit <img> tag parameters to allow me to do one-off formatting.
What templating languages do you know already, and are you running 11ty v3? There are some gotchas around images because (I think) the eleventy-image plugin is enabled by default.
I’ve found success running with .webc which is effectively HTML until you need it to be more.
Thank you for the advice! I’ll give webc a look before I check out the alternative platforms.
I don’t know or really want to learn anything other than html/css or markdown. The site I’m trying to migrate was raw html/css, and I liked it well enough even though the shortcomings (and argument for template stuff) is very obvious.
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Zola. Similar to Hugo, but newer and written in Rust.
https://www.getzola.org/
I used Zola for a while, but at the end of the day there wasnt enough themes available that fit what I was looking for. I ended up messing with the templating engine to get what I needed.
I suggest OP choose Hugo over Zola, in the hopes that they find a theme that suits them best and for the most part prevents them from having to touch templating to begin with.
Thanks!
I think you might like hugo
It’s what I use for my blog
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Lol yes another gd deer, just got the car back yesterday.
Thank you for the recommendation!
And best of luck with the repair. That’s a crazy bill estimate.
Do you know if hugo blogs can federate?
No, hugo does not federate.
It has RSS built-in, but since it is a static site generator, it does not support ActivityPub out of the box. But I do think I have seen implementations with some custom JavaScript.
Seconded. OP, if you can write Markdown, Hugo will turn it into a website.
This might be what you’re looking for: Zola
Single binary that lets you keep your markdown/config in git and just build it from the git clone folder you’re in at the time.
I know some people that have moved off of Hugo to this, and Alex from the Selfhosted podcast recently talked about it on their show.
Thank you for the recommendation! Zola looks promising.
Try Publii. It does everything for you. You can even set up the FTP upload.
Good to know. Thank you for the recommendation!
https://getpublii.com/
It’s a GUI app that runs on your local system and pushes sites to a server.
Thank you for the recommendation!
I’m planning on porting my Wordpress site to this. I haven’t used it yet but based on what I’ve read it will be easier than Hugo.
I use Hugo and I’ve been pretty happy with it. It has a lot of layout templates you can use out of the box so you don’t need to learn a new templating language unless you want to do customizations. I write blogs in markdown and it’s automatically rendered and published.
But as soon as you do want to customize it, you’re stuck learning one of the most esoteric languages that wasn’t meant as a joke.
Thanks for the heads up. That feels like the same roadblock I got with 11ty. It ran OK on markdown, but one you dig into how wide the customizations go I couldn’t keep up.
I used Hugo for my portfolio site, and it’s great if you like an existing theme, but making one from scratch is a challenge. The documentation is unclear and there’s a chicken and egg problem about how to learn Hugo.
The go templating is OK, I prefer other syntax but it works.
Good to know. Thanks!
Thanks for the recommendation. I’ll definitely take a look at Hugo.
https://www.sphinx-doc.org/ + https://pradyunsg.me/furo/ theme + https://myst-parser.readthedocs.io/ markdown parser + https://sphinx-design.readthedocs.io/ extensions.
Just drop all your markdown files in a directory and run
sphinx-build. Highly customizable but also works out of the boxI want to second Pelican for Python. Really easy to set up and get going. No need to learn a complicated templating language (it’s jinja2, which is what everything uses).
Thanks for the recommendation!
In case you’re familiar with Obsidian, there’s Quartz: quartz.jzhao.xyz/ Runs in docker too, practically zero config to start
Thanks for the recommendation!
I’m looking for something similar that I can host in blue host, but all there is, apparently, is WordPress (hell no), joomla and drupal, and these are certainly not static.
That’s like the OG crew of web content haha. I used to be pretty big on Wordpress, but then two of my sites got compromised (through a plugin probably?), and of course the recent kerfluffle going on.
Docusaurus. It’s all markdown.
Will give that a look, thanks!
Thanks for the rec! Looks awesome; Imma try it :)
https://docusaurus.io/
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Neat, thanks!
I did try setting up 11ty, despite my misgivings over node.js. Using Markdown went OK, except it wouldn’t render explicit <img> tag parameters to allow me to do one-off formatting.
What templating languages do you know already, and are you running 11ty v3? There are some gotchas around images because (I think) the eleventy-image plugin is enabled by default.
I’ve found success running with
.webcwhich is effectively HTML until you need it to be more.Thank you for the advice! I’ll give webc a look before I check out the alternative platforms.
I don’t know or really want to learn anything other than html/css or markdown. The site I’m trying to migrate was raw html/css, and I liked it well enough even though the shortcomings (and argument for template stuff) is very obvious.
Using the template syntax you can start by copy/pasting the site to be migrated, and then inject sections that render using markdown syntax.
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I recently switched to Codeberg Pages and it’s the first time I’m hearing about a weekly downtime. Is there somewhere this is documented or I can read more about it?