The only upside that I can see is that Canadians will have a year to see what a trump style government can do to a country… Also a trump style government is the same as a poilievre government.
The media, and the other parties, would have to actually tie Milhouse to Trump in some meaningful way for that to actually matter. People, genuinely, will not do that on their own.
And I don’t believe any institutions are going to do that, either, as it’s seen as generally impolite, and institutions of power care more about decorum than actually being a help to anyone.
The idiots voting for PP WANT the Trumpy carnage. It’s what they’re voting for. They’re angry and stupid and want to see people who aren’t them get hurt for being “woke.”
Trumpy shit happening down south is just going to make them want the same shit here.
We’ll see. As an Albertan I’m hoping other voter pools will even recognize the harm for what it is. I have family members who would be absolutely thrilled to have abortion made illegal, forced Christianity in schools, homophobia/transphobia/Islamophobia, anti-immigration and hostile foreign policies, etc. There’s a reason Alberta is called Canada’s Texas.
One of the recent Canadaland podcasts had an interesting analysis of Poilievre: the dude talks like Trump, but the current Conservative policies are pretty similar to Harper’s.
Basically Poilievre is stumping with populism, but it seems likely that his government will be pretty standard.
While the party make-up and views were pretty similar, Harper ruled the party with a pretty firm hand. Even though many of the religious-right wanted socially conservative policies, he generally didn’t let them question things like abortion. I’m not sure Poilievre has the same control over the party.
Considering he’s in power purely as a result of catering to the whackjob right that thought O’Toole was too sane, I would not put faith in his ability to keep the whackjobs under control.
It’s the old “What’s the problem with riding a tiger? You can’t get off without getting eaten.” problem that comes from courting populism.
It’s a good question. He was quick to seize power from O’Toole after the Ottawa occupation, which kinda makes me think he’d be quick to discipline anyone who goes off message, but it’s a different scenario.
Except that Trump-style government will have negative knock-on effects on the Canadian status quo, and people will inevitably blame the current administration for that…
Trump personally hates Trudeau and will be rough with Canada like in his first term, so Canadians next year will say “hé, let’s get PP as PM, at least Trump likes him so it will be better for our country”
Plus Trudeau is a dead weight and at the bottom of polls, it’s a good riddance he will be out, but PP is not the solution.
It’s hard to say what will happen, but I think the Trump presidency will push some away from Polievre. I don’t think it will make a difference unless the NDP and Liberals change their leadership though.
This might be good for Ontarians, as we are looking at an election soon.
We already saw what a Trump Style government does to a country, now we get a repeat. In my opinion what killed the democrats was identity politics. Stop demonizing people and just tell them you are going to make their life affordable.
I hope the Liberals and NDP learn from Trump’s surprisingly good results. Populism is really big right now and any party not embracing that as a means of staying relevant will not stand a chance of forming a government imo. (See the carbon rebate debacle, for example. I don’t like this, but it’s how I see things in the era of most people getting their news on billionaire-run social media platforms). Unfortunately, I do not foresee Trudeau stepping aside or acting with any ‘shape up or ship out’ pressure to adapt
Singh passed a leadership review just last year with pretty substantial margins. I don’t see any changes happening unless the liberals do first, in which case the NDP will just be playing follow the leader.
Trump is going to put a 10% tarrif on Canadian goods. Conservatives and Liberals will likely push Trudeau to respond in kind, upping prices, all but guaranteeing a PP win because most of the people angry voting for the right now are not politically engaged.
The politically uninformed have no comprehension of cause and effect. They look up and shits expensive one day and they look at the people up at the top of various tiers of politics and blame them, or they get told they are at fault by the opposition, and even though that opposition passed the legislation when they were in power and a delayed effect is being seen, the uninformed voter takes that at face value and doesn’t question it. They are uninformed and they like it that way. So they are a tool that can always be weaponised.
Nothing will stop PP coming in short of a miracle because those voters will not get informed by the next election.
To add on to that, provincial and country leaders have little direct control of prices today. Any oversight or controls have been severely hampered. They can make them worse, but any policy that may make them better will have a long lead time to take effect and will be unlikely to affect the global reality unless passed by someone like the US that has enough buying power to affect markets.
Neither Trudeau or Poliviere can solve the cost of living problem because Canada is too small a fish in a now global sea.
One thing that could help would be the liberals pushing forward a new leader. People are fed up with Justin regardless if it is justified. The liberal party will lose voters to the right if they don’t push forward a new face that Canadians are willing to give a fresh shot. If the liberals fail to provide new leadership to their party, they are partially at fault for a conservative win, they refuse to listen to their voter base.
True, though I would much rather see an NDP gov for once. The liberals make tons of progressive promises and then never deliver. The NDP strong armed them into the dental care plan else it likely would have never gone through.
Trudeau also seems to think he’s not the problem with the party… Or something. He recently said he has no plans on stepping down (or something to that effect) so I have doubts we’ll see him step down.
The same could be said for NDP. I like Signh but he has failed to woo the electorate for multiple federal elections. Time to try something different. Why not try a woman? Show you are actually progressive as a party and maybe we’ll see hardcore Liberal voters put their vote behind the NDP.
It almost feels like they want us to keep flipping sides every few years and never make any progress. It just feels so stagnant and every time we make progress like bike lanes, someone else reverses all that work and spends even more money.
Been voting NDP for 12 years. I also donate what I can. I made one strategic vote in the first Trudeau election to make sure Harper was out. That’s it.
Maximum rationalisation mode: Maybe Conservatives will now be so confident that they’ve already won the next election that those of them who are just feigning the hate for trans people, gays, immigrants, refugees, socialists, liberals, opponents of fascism, and whatever other scapegoats they can find in order to win popular support will feel that they can safely tone it down a little and just coast to victory without needing to stir up even more fear and anger.
Having seen Poillievre, I don’t think he will do this.
If he just shuts up about “the woke” and just talks about the price of milk, he’d have this in the bag, but he can’t shut up about “the woke” because the kind of people who vote in CPC conventions talk about “woke” all the goddamn time, and he knows that if doesn’t go on about “the woke” some opportunistic usurper will shiv him.
I sorely wish the CPC party members had voted for Chong or kept O’Toole. I’d be annoyed about austerity spending, but not worried about fascism.
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The only people who care are already against dictatorships.
Stop calling it “Trump style”. It already has a name that everyone knows and it is called Fascism.
You already had 4 years to see. So did the US and they still chose to do it again.
Exactly. It’s insane.
The media, and the other parties, would have to actually tie Milhouse to Trump in some meaningful way for that to actually matter. People, genuinely, will not do that on their own.
And I don’t believe any institutions are going to do that, either, as it’s seen as generally impolite, and institutions of power care more about decorum than actually being a help to anyone.
The idiots voting for PP WANT the Trumpy carnage. It’s what they’re voting for. They’re angry and stupid and want to see people who aren’t them get hurt for being “woke.”
Trumpy shit happening down south is just going to make them want the same shit here.
We’ll see. As an Albertan I’m hoping other voter pools will even recognize the harm for what it is. I have family members who would be absolutely thrilled to have abortion made illegal, forced Christianity in schools, homophobia/transphobia/Islamophobia, anti-immigration and hostile foreign policies, etc. There’s a reason Alberta is called Canada’s Texas.
One of the recent Canadaland podcasts had an interesting analysis of Poilievre: the dude talks like Trump, but the current Conservative policies are pretty similar to Harper’s.
Basically Poilievre is stumping with populism, but it seems likely that his government will be pretty standard.
I really hope that’s the case.
While the party make-up and views were pretty similar, Harper ruled the party with a pretty firm hand. Even though many of the religious-right wanted socially conservative policies, he generally didn’t let them question things like abortion. I’m not sure Poilievre has the same control over the party.
Considering he’s in power purely as a result of catering to the whackjob right that thought O’Toole was too sane, I would not put faith in his ability to keep the whackjobs under control.
It’s the old “What’s the problem with riding a tiger? You can’t get off without getting eaten.” problem that comes from courting populism.
It’s a good question. He was quick to seize power from O’Toole after the Ottawa occupation, which kinda makes me think he’d be quick to discipline anyone who goes off message, but it’s a different scenario.
He’s literally said he will enact laws that will require using the notwithstanding clause to be upheld. Just one of many articles about it.
Me too.
Except that Trump-style government will have negative knock-on effects on the Canadian status quo, and people will inevitably blame the current administration for that…
Trump personally hates Trudeau and will be rough with Canada like in his first term, so Canadians next year will say “hé, let’s get PP as PM, at least Trump likes him so it will be better for our country”
Plus Trudeau is a dead weight and at the bottom of polls, it’s a good riddance he will be out, but PP is not the solution.
It’s hard to say what will happen, but I think the Trump presidency will push some away from Polievre. I don’t think it will make a difference unless the NDP and Liberals change their leadership though.
This might be good for Ontarians, as we are looking at an election soon.
We already saw what a Trump Style government does to a country, now we get a repeat. In my opinion what killed the democrats was identity politics. Stop demonizing people and just tell them you are going to make their life affordable.
I heard more demonizing from Trump in any one of his speeches than I heard from Harris and Wals combined during the entire campaign.
I hope the Liberals and NDP learn from Trump’s surprisingly good results. Populism is really big right now and any party not embracing that as a means of staying relevant will not stand a chance of forming a government imo. (See the carbon rebate debacle, for example. I don’t like this, but it’s how I see things in the era of most people getting their news on billionaire-run social media platforms). Unfortunately, I do not foresee Trudeau stepping aside or acting with any ‘shape up or ship out’ pressure to adapt
Singh passed a leadership review just last year with pretty substantial margins. I don’t see any changes happening unless the liberals do first, in which case the NDP will just be playing follow the leader.
Trump is going to put a 10% tarrif on Canadian goods. Conservatives and Liberals will likely push Trudeau to respond in kind, upping prices, all but guaranteeing a PP win because most of the people angry voting for the right now are not politically engaged.
The politically uninformed have no comprehension of cause and effect. They look up and shits expensive one day and they look at the people up at the top of various tiers of politics and blame them, or they get told they are at fault by the opposition, and even though that opposition passed the legislation when they were in power and a delayed effect is being seen, the uninformed voter takes that at face value and doesn’t question it. They are uninformed and they like it that way. So they are a tool that can always be weaponised.
Nothing will stop PP coming in short of a miracle because those voters will not get informed by the next election.
To add on to that, provincial and country leaders have little direct control of prices today. Any oversight or controls have been severely hampered. They can make them worse, but any policy that may make them better will have a long lead time to take effect and will be unlikely to affect the global reality unless passed by someone like the US that has enough buying power to affect markets.
Neither Trudeau or Poliviere can solve the cost of living problem because Canada is too small a fish in a now global sea.
One thing that could help would be the liberals pushing forward a new leader. People are fed up with Justin regardless if it is justified. The liberal party will lose voters to the right if they don’t push forward a new face that Canadians are willing to give a fresh shot. If the liberals fail to provide new leadership to their party, they are partially at fault for a conservative win, they refuse to listen to their voter base.
True, though I would much rather see an NDP gov for once. The liberals make tons of progressive promises and then never deliver. The NDP strong armed them into the dental care plan else it likely would have never gone through.
Trudeau also seems to think he’s not the problem with the party… Or something. He recently said he has no plans on stepping down (or something to that effect) so I have doubts we’ll see him step down.
The same could be said for NDP. I like Signh but he has failed to woo the electorate for multiple federal elections. Time to try something different. Why not try a woman? Show you are actually progressive as a party and maybe we’ll see hardcore Liberal voters put their vote behind the NDP.
It almost feels like they want us to keep flipping sides every few years and never make any progress. It just feels so stagnant and every time we make progress like bike lanes, someone else reverses all that work and spends even more money.
My vote is going NDP.
If you can’t vote liberal and find the cons as disgusting as I do, NDP is the last man standing (and I think they’re pretty good anyway so…)
I’ll be voting ABC, as usual. Whoever else can show me a candidate that can beat the local Con candidate will get my vote.
Been voting NDP for 12 years. I also donate what I can. I made one strategic vote in the first Trudeau election to make sure Harper was out. That’s it.
Nope.
This is going to shift Canadian politics to the right, and embolden the fascists. This just significantly increased Poilievre’s chances of winning.
Whatever happens there winds up happening here too
Maximum rationalisation mode: Maybe Conservatives will now be so confident that they’ve already won the next election that those of them who are just feigning the hate for trans people, gays, immigrants, refugees, socialists, liberals, opponents of fascism, and whatever other scapegoats they can find in order to win popular support will feel that they can safely tone it down a little and just coast to victory without needing to stir up even more fear and anger.
Having seen Poillievre, I don’t think he will do this.
If he just shuts up about “the woke” and just talks about the price of milk, he’d have this in the bag, but he can’t shut up about “the woke” because the kind of people who vote in CPC conventions talk about “woke” all the goddamn time, and he knows that if doesn’t go on about “the woke” some opportunistic usurper will shiv him.
I sorely wish the CPC party members had voted for Chong or kept O’Toole. I’d be annoyed about austerity spending, but not worried about fascism.