I see a bunch of people on Lemmy World that don’t understand how the fediverse works and refuse to run their own instances. Server admins can do what they want with federations, just like all the people here can do what they want when they run their own instances. If you self host you can federate with whoever you want to.
Yeah, I don’t know why they make drama out of this, it was just a desicion, dumb, unnecessary, coward or whatever you want to but they’re in their right at the end of the day
I see a lot of people taking issue with how it was handled. An obvious troll controlling sock puppets apparently spurred this, sure.
But the mods of Lemmy World went on a reddit-like spiteful ban spree, apparently forgetting that we can all see their modlogs or simply not caring about it. People got up in arms over the very childish and assholish behavior of the Lemmy World mods, and folks were eventually unbanned in some cases, but still banned from the main communities as punishment. For example, people saying they would just leave and federate their own instance got banned with mod messages telling them “let us help you with that”.
Unfortunately most mods become mods because they desire the power to do things like this. They don’t want to help foster and grow a community, they just want the power to ban people they don’t like at will.
That’s all well and good in theory, but in practice it isn’t as easy.
Communities here will naturally centralize to the biggest ones. If all of a sudden an admin of the instance that a certain massive community is on goes bananas and starts de-federating from all sorts of instances and makes stupid decisions, just saying “hurr durr just go and make your own instance and community” isn’t helpful because 99% of the people there won’t just pick up and start again on a different instance.
The decentralized nature was supposed to solve the problems with centralization, but really all it does is make the same centralization problems happen more often.
“Intellectual property” is a corpo term, and using it accepts their framing. They’re trying to conflate copyright, trademark, and patent law with property law.
I mean, that’s exactly what all three of those were intended to do – carry property law over into a domain where it clearly doesn’t make sense. so it’s fully . none of them should exist.
Seconded. Enclosing the commons and doing a little primitive accumulation to actual knowledge. Love when a private corporations own colors, random snippets of genome, common words and phrases, and endless inventions that they’re squatting on to ensure they don’t compete with their own products.
He didn’t fool anyone, he just seems to have caught them acting like hypocrites and made them either put up or shut up. If you want to enforce rules, you need to actually enforce the rules. If discussions of illegal things is against the rules that you made, then clearly an entire community built around illegal piracy is against the rules. Him pointing that out is a big-brain move that you would hope the admins would have gone “ah you got us. We’ll change that rule to not be so restrictive”, but instead they went “well shit, we’ll remove it instead of changing our stupid rules”.
yall, this dude tried signing up to my instance a few nights ago. yall wanna see why many communities have registration approvals? see below. warning for nsfw language
It came after I was arguing with weirdo antisemites in c/atheistmemes so I assume it was because of that but I have no idea and don’t really care to know that much
At least he was stopped at the registration level, it likely wouldn’t have been pretty if he was allowed to run wild there like he did on other places.
Still laughing at the vast amount of people coming from reddit and expecting only chill people to be on lemmy. Like lemmy users are somehow immune to toxicity.
It’s less toxic overall but we (or mostly the moderators) will have to fight them all the time.
At least it will improve the moderation tools which is always a good thing.
When I realized it was that dude who tried signing up to my instance I lost my shit laughing, if he was screened prior it’s obvious he wouldn’t have gotten in. This is precisely what happens when you focus on growth over organically cultivating a healthy community.
If that is true in any way whatsoever, that is a completely moronic long term goal. Lemmy devs themselves have encouraged instances who do such a thing to defederate. I don’t see how realistically advertising or monetization would be done not only without immense privacy concerns that would likely affect the rest of the fediverse but without major protests and mass defederation. The backlash against it would be immense, not just on lemmy but across the fediverse itself.
Someone is going to at some point. Whoever it is might do it behind-the-scenes if they are risk-averse.
Think of what the granular user data is worth on an instance that big.
Want to buy user data? If reddit tells you no that’s that, but in the fediverse you can go and ask the next largest instance if the first one says no. The game theory is a little more complex here in the fediverse.
When it does happen, I hope the backlash will be appropriately large. I don’t think any of the key stakeholders here want to see a normalization of lemmy being monetized in this way - through donations sure, but not by selling the users’ attention and privacy to 3rd parties.
no, don’t block. blocking only makes it so that you don’t see that bs behaviour, but it’s still there. instead, report or if you are mod/admin, ban outright. if you want to block anyway, at least report beforehand
Look around wherever you are and see if there are any billboards visible. Study one and memorize it. Boom, copyright violation. It’s fun and easy and anyone can do it!
The trick is to explain every thing in the ad. Also, and they fucking hate this, tell them the history of the company the ad is for and where they sell that product! Lol reckedem! Let’s see them try to advertise around here again !
I’m all for letting servers choose what they want to ban and allow. Its easy enough to just create a new account on a different server if you do not agree with the server admins decisions.
That’s the beauty of federation. The user can also setup his own instance to access the content if he wishes. He might have to learn how to do it, but its totally doable.
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
⚓ Dedicated to the discussion of digital piracy, including ethical problems and legal advancements.
I see a bunch of people on Lemmy World that don’t understand how the fediverse works and refuse to run their own instances. Server admins can do what they want with federations, just like all the people here can do what they want when they run their own instances. If you self host you can federate with whoever you want to.
Yeah, I don’t know why they make drama out of this, it was just a desicion, dumb, unnecessary, coward or whatever you want to but they’re in their right at the end of the day
Because you keep coming back on additional alts to vomit more rage at LGBTQIA+ people.
I see a lot of people taking issue with how it was handled. An obvious troll controlling sock puppets apparently spurred this, sure.
But the mods of Lemmy World went on a reddit-like spiteful ban spree, apparently forgetting that we can all see their modlogs or simply not caring about it. People got up in arms over the very childish and assholish behavior of the Lemmy World mods, and folks were eventually unbanned in some cases, but still banned from the main communities as punishment. For example, people saying they would just leave and federate their own instance got banned with mod messages telling them “let us help you with that”.
That’s really poor moderation. Do you have the details of where to look to see it all?
Woah, now that’s some childish petty shit
Unfortunately most mods become mods because they desire the power to do things like this. They don’t want to help foster and grow a community, they just want the power to ban people they don’t like at will.
That’s all well and good in theory, but in practice it isn’t as easy.
Communities here will naturally centralize to the biggest ones. If all of a sudden an admin of the instance that a certain massive community is on goes bananas and starts de-federating from all sorts of instances and makes stupid decisions, just saying “hurr durr just go and make your own instance and community” isn’t helpful because 99% of the people there won’t just pick up and start again on a different instance.
The decentralized nature was supposed to solve the problems with centralization, but really all it does is make the same centralization problems happen more often.
Fuck intellectual property, all my friends hate the intellectual property
“Intellectual property” is a corpo term, and using it accepts their framing. They’re trying to conflate copyright, trademark, and patent law with property law.
I mean, that’s exactly what all three of those were intended to do – carry property law over into a domain where it clearly doesn’t make sense. so it’s fully
. none of them should exist.
Seconded. Enclosing the commons and doing a little primitive accumulation to actual knowledge. Love when a private corporations own colors, random snippets of genome, common words and phrases, and endless inventions that they’re squatting on to ensure they don’t compete with their own products.
Lmao this is the guy that first lead to them banning the communities right?
Love that lemmy.world seems to be making their moderation strategy based off of a troll with at least 4 alts…
Props to him for fooling an entire instance
Made them show their true face and flaws. Who knows, maybe the troll is even someone from their staff on an alt.
He didn’t fool anyone, he just seems to have caught them acting like hypocrites and made them either put up or shut up. If you want to enforce rules, you need to actually enforce the rules. If discussions of illegal things is against the rules that you made, then clearly an entire community built around illegal piracy is against the rules. Him pointing that out is a big-brain move that you would hope the admins would have gone “ah you got us. We’ll change that rule to not be so restrictive”, but instead they went “well shit, we’ll remove it instead of changing our stupid rules”.
Fooled you, you’re literally replying to the same person on an alt.
BungieFan->HaloMasyerChief
Didn’t fool me though because it doesn’t matter who wrote what I replied to.
Honestly kinda legendary
They look like they are having fun on line:
What a fucking loser.
Go tattle to the billionaires for a cookie
He either got bullied to much or not enough while in school. 😂
this person seems to hate piracy just because it’s illegal…
(reminder about homosexuality being illegal in most countries in the middle east)
Piracy of software is always moral in the face of proprietary software.
They have stolen so much from us that we have all right to revolt.
Intellectual property is denial of media rights to the public.
Theft is justified in the face of capitalism.
Those who live in precarity, poverty, homlessness or hunger are justified to do whatever violence is required to survive.
yall, this dude tried signing up to my instance a few nights ago. yall wanna see why many communities have registration approvals? see below. warning for nsfw language
NSFW language
Registration approval should be on by default…
The hell.
I mean if dude wanted to troll he succeeded really well ngl
yeah he caused huge arguments in the biggest instance, the guy is talented.
Too bad that “talent” is being a huge asshole and getting the biggest reactions possible, instead of something useful.
Fuck I love the “ok” as deny reason…so simple, so beautiful.
👍
Unfortunately, the deny reason(s) aren’t sent to the applicant and aren’t visible to anyone except admins.
I wish they were visible to others or had an admin option to add it the modlog cause people write some funny shit in there 😭
That is legitimately one of the most disgusting things I’ve read, what is wrong with this person, why would he write that as an application.
It came after I was arguing with weirdo antisemites in c/atheistmemes so I assume it was because of that but I have no idea and don’t really care to know that much
At least he was stopped at the registration level, it likely wouldn’t have been pretty if he was allowed to run wild there like he did on other places.
this world is not ready for two based gabes existing at the same time
What if we got a bunch of Josh’s to fight?
Still laughing at the vast amount of people coming from reddit and expecting only chill people to be on lemmy. Like lemmy users are somehow immune to toxicity.
It’s less toxic overall but we (or mostly the moderators) will have to fight them all the time.
At least it will improve the moderation tools which is always a good thing.
Lemmy is like every social medium since the dawn of time: a cross-section of humanity… the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Are we going to find Ollie North’s gold?
Yet people complain when you use one of the few tools available to you, namely defederation lol
When I realized it was that dude who tried signing up to my instance I lost my shit laughing, if he was screened prior it’s obvious he wouldn’t have gotten in. This is precisely what happens when you focus on growth over organically cultivating a healthy community.
I have no proof but I think lemmy.world will be monetized at some point.
If that is true in any way whatsoever, that is a completely moronic long term goal. Lemmy devs themselves have encouraged instances who do such a thing to defederate. I don’t see how realistically advertising or monetization would be done not only without immense privacy concerns that would likely affect the rest of the fediverse but without major protests and mass defederation. The backlash against it would be immense, not just on lemmy but across the fediverse itself.
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Someone is going to at some point. Whoever it is might do it behind-the-scenes if they are risk-averse.
Think of what the granular user data is worth on an instance that big.
Want to buy user data? If reddit tells you no that’s that, but in the fediverse you can go and ask the next largest instance if the first one says no. The game theory is a little more complex here in the fediverse.
When it does happen, I hope the backlash will be appropriately large. I don’t think any of the key stakeholders here want to see a normalization of lemmy being monetized in this way - through donations sure, but not by selling the users’ attention and privacy to 3rd parties.
Those that even remotely consider scraping data on Mastodon consistently face intense harassment and criticism.
Those who talk about it do. I’m sure many already scrape without going around telling the world about it.
lol
Im just here to try federation stuff. Dont mind me
@movie @piracy lemmy don’t have an infight for 5 and a half seconds challenge IMPOSSIBLE GONE WRONG GONE SEXUAL
This video is clearly fake without the 3AM and FREE ROBUX
The companies don’t need plebs to protect them. If anyone should be willing to lay their body for them it’s their shareholders.
I’ve migrated to another instance because of this and their uptime
cant use lemmy.world to talk about pirate shit if the instance is constantly down
that’s just a troll, downvote and move on
*downvote, block, and move on. Makes the moving on part more efficient.
no, don’t block. blocking only makes it so that you don’t see that bs behaviour, but it’s still there. instead, report or if you are mod/admin, ban outright. if you want to block anyway, at least report beforehand
And Report.
Get the instance admins and mods aware, and get the troll booted out.
Gonna commit copyright infringement later, just to spite this poor man even more
Unrelated but nice pfp
Thanks, a kind anon drew it for me :)
I’m infringing copyright as I type this
Fair enough. I’m not home so I’m prevented from doing so
Gotta automate that shit.
Look around wherever you are and see if there are any billboards visible. Study one and memorize it. Boom, copyright violation. It’s fun and easy and anyone can do it!
no if you look at a billboard you’re observing an ad. don’t do that.
Draw the advertisement on a napkin and show it to other people. Bam! That company is infringed af
Companies hate it when you disseminate their advertising material like that. Stick it to the man!
The trick is to explain every thing in the ad. Also, and they fucking hate this, tell them the history of the company the ad is for and where they sell that product! Lol reckedem! Let’s see them try to advertise around here again !
Do not feed the trolls. Happiness doesn’t have to be a zero sum game.
I’m all for letting servers choose what they want to ban and allow. Its easy enough to just create a new account on a different server if you do not agree with the server admins decisions.
That’s the beauty of federation. The user can also setup his own instance to access the content if he wishes. He might have to learn how to do it, but its totally doable.
Wow, so much butthurt energy…