Most pirates doesn’t use the product if pirated version isn’t avaliable, they aren’t a costumer, blocking piracy is actually a bad marketing decision, people can build hype even if they aren’t paying. No significant revenue is actually lost for piracy
But the music industry (mostly) figured it out. You can get the same song from a subscription to any number of services.
TV/Movies are still siloed. Once they figure out that it’s better to let you subscribe to one service and watch anything, that’s the day that most piracy will stop.
They did figure out having 1 service for watching a huge library of movies/TV with a Netflix. But they have started imploding because of corporate greed, which is bringing back piracy by the masses.
Historical examples: Windows and Photoshop, especially in countries outside G7. XP was probably the most pirated version of Windows and I wouldn’t be surprised if Photoshop was also the number 1 most pirated program during the mid-late 2000’s
i have a feeling this person is an Authoritarian. Like they believe that if we all stopped pirating then somehow they would get games for cheaper or for free. Like all the anger and the rage at the corporations is somehow turned back on the “pirates” who they are “subsidising”.
I see a bunch of people on Lemmy World that don’t understand how the fediverse works and refuse to run their own instances. Server admins can do what they want with federations, just like all the people here can do what they want when they run their own instances. If you self host you can federate with whoever you want to.
That’s all well and good in theory, but in practice it isn’t as easy.
Communities here will naturally centralize to the biggest ones. If all of a sudden an admin of the instance that a certain massive community is on goes bananas and starts de-federating from all sorts of instances and makes stupid decisions, just saying “hurr durr just go and make your own instance and community” isn’t helpful because 99% of the people there won’t just pick up and start again on a different instance.
The decentralized nature was supposed to solve the problems with centralization, but really all it does is make the same centralization problems happen more often.
Yeah, I don’t know why they make drama out of this, it was just a desicion, dumb, unnecessary, coward or whatever you want to but they’re in their right at the end of the day
I see a lot of people taking issue with how it was handled. An obvious troll controlling sock puppets apparently spurred this, sure.
But the mods of Lemmy World went on a reddit-like spiteful ban spree, apparently forgetting that we can all see their modlogs or simply not caring about it. People got up in arms over the very childish and assholish behavior of the Lemmy World mods, and folks were eventually unbanned in some cases, but still banned from the main communities as punishment. For example, people saying they would just leave and federate their own instance got banned with mod messages telling them “let us help you with that”.
Unfortunately most mods become mods because they desire the power to do things like this. They don’t want to help foster and grow a community, they just want the power to ban people they don’t like at will.
My prime motive for piracy! The current model is exploitative of the artists and must be ushered quickly to its own defeat.
They shouldn’t have to strike until they lose their houses like so many do now. Every year they receive less and less of the profit of their work (and its certainly not because of any excess going to those in need). It’s a shame and an embarrassment on society.
Pretty sure the artists get paid whether consumers pirate the final product or not? The Bungie devs don’t get paid less money for every game that is pirated 🤡
Most rappers are legitimate criminals some even murderers. They don’t deserve shit.
People act like “normal” people aren’t criminals. The world is really dark. Oh yeah not to mention ruining lives and families by selling them crack or pimping out women and kids.
My life growing up with emcees and bloods that connect with Boston and ny/bk/bx. As well as being in the graffiti culture. I’ve had death threats against my family and kids and gunshots directly outside my house, and been stalked. Seen fist sized rocks of meth and automatic weapons.
Believe it or not not heeding the wisdom will be your loss if you ever end up mixed up in the bullshit. It made me almost kill myself and I’m still dealing with it.
Not talking about pop rap. Aside from the old heads from the 90s.
Every dealer has a boss. Every boss has to protect their life. Every boss has a crew. I’ve seen shit deep. I know the way it all works. Favors for favors etc. If you aren’t the guy on the top then your freedom relies on being submissive to the one above you. I’ve seen people do anything to stay out of prison.
I didn’t I just grew up around them. They groomed me basically to be naive to their bullshit. Once they realized I actually knew they started threatening my family. Stealing shit etc.
I never sold drugs or painted with them but they realized I knew about their names, and where they live, and how they make their money. They are really sloppy with it.
Might’ve been the case 20 years ago but nowadays you can buy drugs in bulk through the dark net. If you have good opsec you won’t be caught that easily and it’s way safer. If you don’t care about OpSec, you shouldn’t sell or even own drugs in the first place
He didn’t fool anyone, he just seems to have caught them acting like hypocrites and made them either put up or shut up. If you want to enforce rules, you need to actually enforce the rules. If discussions of illegal things is against the rules that you made, then clearly an entire community built around illegal piracy is against the rules. Him pointing that out is a big-brain move that you would hope the admins would have gone “ah you got us. We’ll change that rule to not be so restrictive”, but instead they went “well shit, we’ll remove it instead of changing our stupid rules”.
I think people who are pro-piracy tend to be a little dogmatic in the wrong direction, refusing to exercise their imagination or contemplate situations where people can be legitimately hurt financially or otherwise by their actions. However, most of the arguments are pretty sound, and I can’t imagine working that hard making new accounts just to argue in favor of movie/record studios that have exploited artists for as long as they have existed.
They never think on the people they affect. They just want free things all the time claiming imaginary problems like the government and companies steal from them, like bro, that’s just how capitalism works if you don’t like it go to rusia, Venezuela and see how they’re doing
My feelings are far more nuanced than this. Suffice to say I do not agree with you when you paint with such broad strokes.
Yes some people just want free shit, I think most people would acknowledge that. But when you get too boilerplate about piracy and don’t explore the topic, you’re no better than those who make up disingenuous reasons for why they never need to consider what they are pirating and who it may impact.
When it comes to art, there’s always somebody who doesn’t make it financially. Too few sold albums, too few downloads, too little merch sold. Some artists are always going to struggle and barely stay afloat making art, while the ones doing marinally worse are gonna quit and do something else.
The number of these people for whom piracy - or any other small loss of revenue for that matter - tips the scale doesn’t depend on how many people pirate stuff.
The actual difference piracy makes is the 0.2% (or whatever) dent in revenue which then means ~ 0.2% of potential artists end up working in other industries.
When deciding whether or not use someone’s art without their permission, it behooves one to consider the ethics. Whether you come to a different conclusion than I do is whatever, but not every case is exactly the same, and to dismiss the people on the other side of the equation with made-up numbers pulled from thin air is not the proper way to go about it.
I think people who are pro-piracy tend to be a little dogmatic in the wrong direction, refusing to exercise their imagination or contemplate situations where people can be legitimately hurt financially or otherwise by their actions.
That’s not been my experience. I always see people advocating for paying for games/media when it comes from indie devs etc. And there is a difference between piracy and outright theft of artwork which is then profited from, I.e. a company steals small artists work and puts it on t-shirts - very few “pro-piracy” people, if any at all, are advocating for that.
At the end of the day, pirates do it because they either have very little money or they’re smart and want to retain the money they have. Then there are anti-copyright people, which is cool too.
Then there are the people who don’t really know what’s going on but claim some moral standing surrounding piracy. I can actually feel them coming, fuck…
 Well that has often been my experience, but I’m not going to pretend that my experience as everyone is.
For instance, I see a lot of really ridiculous arguments claiming it’s for archiving.” First of all, they do not follow archival procedures. Second, they are not working with any known archiving organizations. Thirdly, they are not using what they have “archived” in any manner that could be considered “for the public good.“ Unless you want to count seeding it back out, but that argument can become pretty recursive pretty quickly. 
It also just so happens they are archiving mostly - if not entirely - the games they want to play, the shows they want to watch, and the movies they want to watch. It’s awfully curious how much the venn diagram of “archiving for the public good” and “what I want to enjoy” resembles a circle lol.
My point being, there are arguments in favor of piracy, most of which i agree with. But I see a lot of disingenuous ones from people who are clearly just doing it because they feel entitled to the media. I would rather they were just honest about their intentions instead of feeding me nonsense talking points that even they don’t believe. Otherwise it just reeks of justifying their actions (poorly) instead of just saying “I have nothing to justify.”
You have a point, but it’s kind of like people who resist all gun control due to the second amendment despite the shootings going on
Yeah, if life continues on as-is, the argument has little merit. On the other hand, in the case of the second amendment, we have fascists making a credible move for control.
In the case of archiving DRM content, if we have a cataclysm (which seems increasingly likely), then having drm-free, ideally unencrypted, content sitting on random hard drives might end up making an enormous difference in a lot of lives
Or even without a cataclysm, just general enshittification might end up destroying the gaming and media industries - passed around old games might be the seed for the next generation of tech-heads. I started my path by jailbreaking my PSP so I could use custom web browsers and homebrew - spreading these after the Internet is locked down by efforts like kosa and WEI (and whatever comes next) might be the spark that motivates the next generation
They’re just normal people running the instance, not a major corporation with a legal team. While it’s unfortunate they defederated, it’s understandable that they’d rather be overly cautious when it comes to stuff they can be sued for
Yep I love piracy but I have a real life and I’d think twice about what I hosted if i ran an instance…no matter what I believe and the low likelihood of legal consequences. Hosting an instance is a hobby. I have to click two buttons in the app I use to access this place on another account. Who cares.
To be fair, you pirates always look like starving entitled whiny bastards. You want everything free in life and feel like you have the right and duty to take it from others. You can’t pay even $5 for a fucking game? Lmao you obviously can but choose to be a parasite and not to.
And before you come here telling me that it’s not stealing and these aren’t physical items, what I mean is that you’re actively hurting honest businesses and small artist. You’re taking thier products, making exact copies of it and then distributing them freely. You’re not competing economically making your own product, you’re just leeching off from someone else’s hard work and then killing any opportunity they could have of profiting from it.
Y all act like selling is something bad, but I have news for you: That’s how the world works! People need to buy food, pay rent and pay bills, and they’re not doing it by just making things free
What do they steal? They pay me my fair share, people who agree to do jobs underpaid is because they’re fucking stupid and don’t know to take good gigs. Either that or the my get a fair pay but they just are greedy and want more without doing any more work
If you really think, you get a fair share, you’re naive or trolling.
Every profit your company pays to shareholders is fruit of your labor stolen from you. And if you can’t see that, you’re exactly the kind of docile worker they want.
BTW: it’s typical for types like you to look down upon the lower class as stupid and lazy. That’s a way for you to feel empowered in the face of the inherent unfairness of the system. And you can ignore, that you’re being fucked just like the others. You just get a cushion for your elbows, so it’s slightly more comfortable.
Every profit my company pays to shareholders is part of my labor, that’s how it works, I her a cut to work on a bigger entity than me, where I can profit form labor me alone couldn’t and we both get our part.
The system isn’t fair, if I work I get money. Lower class exist because they’re not as prepared or educated as the rest or because they don’t want to work. So I don’t know what problems are you talking about
We’re living in a world that’s actively killing the planet and lets literally millions of people die of starvation in the name of profit and your answer is “guess they weren’t educated enough”…
You are the problem. Your blindness, lack of empathy, lack of education or simply stupidity, I don’t know. But you are the problem.
Nobody’s pirating $5 games. People pirate price-gouge-tastic games from billion-dollar corporations that cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars in total, and are designed to exploit players’ psychological weaknesses (like gambling addiction or childhood naïveté) to extract far more money from them than a reasonable adult would be willing to pay. They also ruin the experience of their own products with high-overhead DRM like Denuvo, which pirates remove. These are not honest businesses, they are extremely profitable despite widespread piracy, and they do not require or deserve your sympathy.
Lol I hardly think that companies like EA or Microsoft are “honest businesses” or “small artist[s]”, fuckers have made billions of dollars through their anticompetitive monopolistic bullshit.
And I have news for YOU. I WILL keep on supporting the piracy of unoptimised, incomplete garbage games, that use the preorders as beta testers, famous examples being Gollum and Cyberpunk 77. In comparison, I see no problem paying for quality games like Skyrim, or games that have fixed their issues, like Shadow of War removing the microtransactions and fixing most of the bugs. But crap like Gollum (the game, I have a sort of respect and pity for the character) has no place on my system, even if I had Duck Tales money, even if I had a 2 TB RAM, multiple 4090s or whatever the latest overpriced Nvidia crap is, and the latest, most powerful, server level CPUs, with like 128 cores or something, I still wouldn’t buy and play this garbage. Alright?
I velieve rhis shpuld be done to teach the lazy bastards in management in those game companies, that if you want good sales, you have to take things a bit slower and poliah the product out. Unfortunately, it seems that they don’t give a fuck, because Denuvo protects their games during the first few months of sales, when they make a profit on the garbage they’ve made. Then they do some bug fixing and move on to the next cash cow. That’s how the gaming industry works. And I don’t know about you, but I do NOT want to support this mess.
You’re not making any sense dude, are you a masochist or what? You so vehemently say how bad, unfinished, unpolished and garbage these games are and yet you go out of your way to pirate them and play them, even if you hate it and rant about how you wouldn’t install them even if you had a quantum pc.
Also, you pirates argue that pirating doesn’t really affect companies, that once you decide not to buy thier stuff pirating doesn’t make any difference, so how that would “teach them”?. To me, seems like a childish way to get back at them then, you know you’re doing nothing and yet you choose to do so. So irrational and ridiculous.
That’s what I hate about you pirates, you HAVE to consume no matter what, even if it’s crap you don’t even like, who is the greedy one, companies or you that steal just to munch on trash?
When I am able to pay content creators directly, I do. I am not a pirate, myself, though I have pirated in the past. I think some of the rationale behind pirating derives from intolerance of anti-consumer practices. If I’m paying for a streaming service, I shouldn’t be forced to watch ads. If I’m paying for a game, there shouldn’t be day one DLC-gated content, especially if that content is already part of the game and the DLC does little more than unlock it (I’m looking at you Bioware).
Pirating isn’t always about stealing for the sake of using or watching something for free. It can be about that, sure, but it isn’t always. Often, it’s about punishing entities for bad practices—for treating customers unfairly, for instance, or for restricting access to content.
And usually the people who make decisions that negatively affect customers are removed from the creation of the content itself. It’s kind of sad, really.
Voting with your wallet is valid and understandable, I have no issues when someone refuse to buy products from a brand they don’t like for any reason.
But, for pirates isn’t enough to just not buy, they have to consume the product either way even if, by their words, is a garbage mess, bad service or whatever. They like to trash talk about games or shows or anything and yet they go out of thier way to pirate.
Also, according to them, when you pirate a game you’re not hurting the company, because you already make the decision to not buy the product, so pirating it doesn’t make any difference. So how that would that punish any entity then? It’s so incoherent
Paypigs are pathetic. Imagine forking over money to some corporate publisher to “support the artist” . Want to support independent artists/creators? It’s called commissions and donations(patreon, kofi, etc.)
The people who did the work are employees, and they’re paid according to the task they perform. Companies get a share obiusly, because that’s the business model, they’re the ones who have to put in place a workplace, assemble a team, acquire resources and so on
Its just the business model for leeches at the top to siphon off all the value created by peopoe who actually do the work. This is why pirating is so awful. Think of the C-suite overlords and shareholders!!!
justifying the expropriation of surplus value through tired liberal platitudes - it’s almost like someone wrote a book 200 years ago explaining in gratuitous detail why you’re wrong.
These days, a more obscure toxic fandom, but still one with quite a history of Disney-tier “anything the treat maker does is objectively justified and any criticism threatens the flow of additional treats and must be raged at” takes.
Them defederating piracy communities was the nail in the coffin for me, just deleted account.
First was some weird shit about a porn community with petite girls and how it invites pedophiles. Even though that one doesn’t affect me, it’s still like uhhhhh, petite women exist…
Now this piracy shit. It’s like they’re pushing their morals and “concerns” onto every member without consent. Reddit still has piracy and petite subreddits, which paints somewhat of a picture of how non issue they are.
Hopefully shitjustworks is fast, stable, and doesn’t pull that shit.
There was also the pre-emptive de-federating from another instance because the admin didn’t agree with that instance’s admins political ideologies, even though on that instance the admin was telling people to obey other instance rules and not brigade etc.
To be fair, the petite girl controversy thing was the lemmy.blahaj.zone admin being a weird tyrant, not lemmy.world. Unless they did the same thing at LW lol. Thus far shitjustworks has been reliable and unobtrusive for me.
They certainly picked a weird hill to choose for defederating, lots of communities defederate lemmynsfw just because they don’t want porn in users feeds (which is totally fair). The specific post they were angry at was a verified OF model and also had been verified for the community they were posted in. Like if you just don’t want a porn instance just say that’s the reason, dont make it look bad
Lemmy seems to be following a path of Discord. First you pick your genre/niche, join a Lemmy instance that is friendly/popular to that topic, then join and start subscribing to topics in that niche.
That’s why I’ve joined at dbzer0, to follow the discussion related to piracy without worry of defederation as the largest community for that niche is here.
The way it’s been working so far is that people will bring up instances they have concerns about in the agora community. There’s community discussion, and then a vote. So far I think just exploding-heads was defederated from after a discussion and vote.
Well, that vote just proved shit doesn’t work is mostly bots. So many bots voted. Anyways, exploding-heads is moving to nostr and so should all you fags
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
⚓ Dedicated to the discussion of digital piracy, including ethical problems and legal advancements.
Im just here to try federation stuff. Dont mind me
Meanwhile me on Beehaw where the sun is shining 🌈🌈🌈 and the folks are super nice 😊
Beehaw is pretty cool
Most pirates doesn’t use the product if pirated version isn’t avaliable, they aren’t a costumer, blocking piracy is actually a bad marketing decision, people can build hype even if they aren’t paying. No significant revenue is actually lost for piracy
Piracy also kept the music industry afloat before Spotify and whatever
It’s free advertising and costs nothing to the artist
And we all saw how grateful 🙏 the music industry was to Napster and the like
They were sore about mixtapes and even blocked the release of DAT in the United States.
Intellectual Property is an illness.
“Where’s your crown king nothin?” - James Hetfield probably
Ironically Napster now pays the most royalties to artists per stream
But the music industry (mostly) figured it out. You can get the same song from a subscription to any number of services.
TV/Movies are still siloed. Once they figure out that it’s better to let you subscribe to one service and watch anything, that’s the day that most piracy will stop.
They did figure out having 1 service for watching a huge library of movies/TV with a Netflix. But they have started imploding because of corporate greed, which is bringing back piracy by the masses.
Blame Lars Ulrich for that
Historical examples: Windows and Photoshop, especially in countries outside G7. XP was probably the most pirated version of Windows and I wouldn’t be surprised if Photoshop was also the number 1 most pirated program during the mid-late 2000’s
what does it mean to be “pro-intellectual property”?
i have a feeling this person is an Authoritarian. Like they believe that if we all stopped pirating then somehow they would get games for cheaper or for free. Like all the anger and the rage at the corporations is somehow turned back on the “pirates” who they are “subsidising”.
They’re just a troll. They were spamming some bigoted memes on the .ml memes page too.
Or, ya know, both.
That they get to take other people’s knowledge and ideas and keep it for themselves. Wait, were the corporations the real piratesTM all along?
I see a bunch of people on Lemmy World that don’t understand how the fediverse works and refuse to run their own instances. Server admins can do what they want with federations, just like all the people here can do what they want when they run their own instances. If you self host you can federate with whoever you want to.
That’s all well and good in theory, but in practice it isn’t as easy.
Communities here will naturally centralize to the biggest ones. If all of a sudden an admin of the instance that a certain massive community is on goes bananas and starts de-federating from all sorts of instances and makes stupid decisions, just saying “hurr durr just go and make your own instance and community” isn’t helpful because 99% of the people there won’t just pick up and start again on a different instance.
The decentralized nature was supposed to solve the problems with centralization, but really all it does is make the same centralization problems happen more often.
Yeah, I don’t know why they make drama out of this, it was just a desicion, dumb, unnecessary, coward or whatever you want to but they’re in their right at the end of the day
I see a lot of people taking issue with how it was handled. An obvious troll controlling sock puppets apparently spurred this, sure.
But the mods of Lemmy World went on a reddit-like spiteful ban spree, apparently forgetting that we can all see their modlogs or simply not caring about it. People got up in arms over the very childish and assholish behavior of the Lemmy World mods, and folks were eventually unbanned in some cases, but still banned from the main communities as punishment. For example, people saying they would just leave and federate their own instance got banned with mod messages telling them “let us help you with that”.
Woah, now that’s some childish petty shit
Unfortunately most mods become mods because they desire the power to do things like this. They don’t want to help foster and grow a community, they just want the power to ban people they don’t like at will.
That’s really poor moderation. Do you have the details of where to look to see it all?
Because you keep coming back on additional alts to vomit more rage at LGBTQIA+ people.
Ha, what a loser. Artists don’t deserve to be paid for their work.
My prime motive for piracy! The current model is exploitative of the artists and must be ushered quickly to its own defeat.
They shouldn’t have to strike until they lose their houses like so many do now. Every year they receive less and less of the profit of their work (and its certainly not because of any excess going to those in need). It’s a shame and an embarrassment on society.
That’s the take of the suits and investors that receive the staggering majority of the revenue from the companies you’re stanning for.
I know they have “arts” in their name, but Electronic Arts doesn’t make art.
Pretty sure the artists get paid whether consumers pirate the final product or not? The Bungie devs don’t get paid less money for every game that is pirated 🤡
Actually they might. Game developers get bonuses based on how well the game sold. Well a lot at least. It’s not just games though.
I still pirate things. It’s just way more convenient than having 30 subscriptions
Most rappers are legitimate criminals some even murderers. They don’t deserve shit.
People act like “normal” people aren’t criminals. The world is really dark. Oh yeah not to mention ruining lives and families by selling them crack or pimping out women and kids.
Snoop drove for a hitter.
Source: seent it irl.
“Most rappers” you got a source for this or are you as completely unhinged as you sound lmfao
Who wants to bet “criminals” is a euphemism for a certain melanin-rich ethnic group?
My life growing up with emcees and bloods that connect with Boston and ny/bk/bx. As well as being in the graffiti culture. I’ve had death threats against my family and kids and gunshots directly outside my house, and been stalked. Seen fist sized rocks of meth and automatic weapons.
Believe it or not not heeding the wisdom will be your loss if you ever end up mixed up in the bullshit. It made me almost kill myself and I’m still dealing with it.
Not talking about pop rap. Aside from the old heads from the 90s.
Every dealer has a boss. Every boss has to protect their life. Every boss has a crew. I’ve seen shit deep. I know the way it all works. Favors for favors etc. If you aren’t the guy on the top then your freedom relies on being submissive to the one above you. I’ve seen people do anything to stay out of prison.
Lmfao shut up you weird ass dork nobody cares
Sorry ur suckass at trapping
What a horrible response, you sound like an awful person.
Why are all my encounters with the hexbear instance similar? What is that instance about?
Yeah im a super awful person “iHUNTcriminals”
Lol
soft as hell cop
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I for one would simply not get involved with a drug dealing gang enterprise lmfao
Also “trust me bro it happened to me” is not a source.
I didn’t I just grew up around them. They groomed me basically to be naive to their bullshit. Once they realized I actually knew they started threatening my family. Stealing shit etc.
I never sold drugs or painted with them but they realized I knew about their names, and where they live, and how they make their money. They are really sloppy with it.
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Might’ve been the case 20 years ago but nowadays you can buy drugs in bulk through the dark net. If you have good opsec you won’t be caught that easily and it’s way safer. If you don’t care about OpSec, you shouldn’t sell or even own drugs in the first place
Wait you’re saying that if someone committed a crime before then they don’t deserve pay for their work ever?
So just pirate indie releases right? As artist for manor companies already don’t get paid
Lmao this is the guy that first lead to them banning the communities right?
Love that lemmy.world seems to be making their moderation strategy based off of a troll with at least 4 alts…
Props to him for fooling an entire instance
Made them show their true face and flaws. Who knows, maybe the troll is even someone from their staff on an alt.
He didn’t fool anyone, he just seems to have caught them acting like hypocrites and made them either put up or shut up. If you want to enforce rules, you need to actually enforce the rules. If discussions of illegal things is against the rules that you made, then clearly an entire community built around illegal piracy is against the rules. Him pointing that out is a big-brain move that you would hope the admins would have gone “ah you got us. We’ll change that rule to not be so restrictive”, but instead they went “well shit, we’ll remove it instead of changing our stupid rules”.
Fooled you, you’re literally replying to the same person on an alt.
BungieFan->HaloMasyerChief
Didn’t fool me though because it doesn’t matter who wrote what I replied to.
Honestly kinda legendary
I think people who are pro-piracy tend to be a little dogmatic in the wrong direction, refusing to exercise their imagination or contemplate situations where people can be legitimately hurt financially or otherwise by their actions. However, most of the arguments are pretty sound, and I can’t imagine working that hard making new accounts just to argue in favor of movie/record studios that have exploited artists for as long as they have existed.
The “filthy” line was just funny to me lol
They never think on the people they affect. They just want free things all the time claiming imaginary problems like the government and companies steal from them, like bro, that’s just how capitalism works if you don’t like it go to rusia, Venezuela and see how they’re doing
Found the loser in the screenshots alt lmaooo get a life my guy
Someone posted on another comment, the guy in the screenshot takes always the same name for his accounts. I just agree with him
My feelings are far more nuanced than this. Suffice to say I do not agree with you when you paint with such broad strokes.
Yes some people just want free shit, I think most people would acknowledge that. But when you get too boilerplate about piracy and don’t explore the topic, you’re no better than those who make up disingenuous reasons for why they never need to consider what they are pirating and who it may impact.
When it comes to art, there’s always somebody who doesn’t make it financially. Too few sold albums, too few downloads, too little merch sold. Some artists are always going to struggle and barely stay afloat making art, while the ones doing marinally worse are gonna quit and do something else.
The number of these people for whom piracy - or any other small loss of revenue for that matter - tips the scale doesn’t depend on how many people pirate stuff.
The actual difference piracy makes is the 0.2% (or whatever) dent in revenue which then means ~ 0.2% of potential artists end up working in other industries.
When deciding whether or not use someone’s art without their permission, it behooves one to consider the ethics. Whether you come to a different conclusion than I do is whatever, but not every case is exactly the same, and to dismiss the people on the other side of the equation with made-up numbers pulled from thin air is not the proper way to go about it.
The argument doesn’t really hinge on the made-up numbers, it would be the same if you swapped 10% in there.
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That’s not been my experience. I always see people advocating for paying for games/media when it comes from indie devs etc. And there is a difference between piracy and outright theft of artwork which is then profited from, I.e. a company steals small artists work and puts it on t-shirts - very few “pro-piracy” people, if any at all, are advocating for that.
At the end of the day, pirates do it because they either have very little money or they’re smart and want to retain the money they have. Then there are anti-copyright people, which is cool too.
Then there are the people who don’t really know what’s going on but claim some moral standing surrounding piracy. I can actually feel them coming, fuck…
 Well that has often been my experience, but I’m not going to pretend that my experience as everyone is.
For instance, I see a lot of really ridiculous arguments claiming it’s for archiving.” First of all, they do not follow archival procedures. Second, they are not working with any known archiving organizations. Thirdly, they are not using what they have “archived” in any manner that could be considered “for the public good.“ Unless you want to count seeding it back out, but that argument can become pretty recursive pretty quickly. 
It also just so happens they are archiving mostly - if not entirely - the games they want to play, the shows they want to watch, and the movies they want to watch. It’s awfully curious how much the venn diagram of “archiving for the public good” and “what I want to enjoy” resembles a circle lol.
My point being, there are arguments in favor of piracy, most of which i agree with. But I see a lot of disingenuous ones from people who are clearly just doing it because they feel entitled to the media. I would rather they were just honest about their intentions instead of feeding me nonsense talking points that even they don’t believe. Otherwise it just reeks of justifying their actions (poorly) instead of just saying “I have nothing to justify.”
You have a point, but it’s kind of like people who resist all gun control due to the second amendment despite the shootings going on
Yeah, if life continues on as-is, the argument has little merit. On the other hand, in the case of the second amendment, we have fascists making a credible move for control.
In the case of archiving DRM content, if we have a cataclysm (which seems increasingly likely), then having drm-free, ideally unencrypted, content sitting on random hard drives might end up making an enormous difference in a lot of lives
Or even without a cataclysm, just general enshittification might end up destroying the gaming and media industries - passed around old games might be the seed for the next generation of tech-heads. I started my path by jailbreaking my PSP so I could use custom web browsers and homebrew - spreading these after the Internet is locked down by efforts like kosa and WEI (and whatever comes next) might be the spark that motivates the next generation
Well in that case I agree with you.
People should pirate what they want without making excuses.
Bingo. Own the act, then explain it to folks without being defensive or straight up lying to yourself.
Piracy of software is always moral in the face of proprietary software.
They have stolen so much from us that we have all right to revolt.
Intellectual property is denial of media rights to the public.
Theft is justified in the face of capitalism.
Those who live in precarity, poverty, homlessness or hunger are justified to do whatever violence is required to survive.
Didnt lemmy.world defederate to not get into any legal trouble?
No one has been able to correctly enumerate what “legal trouble” there was. It was proactive with nothing leveraged against them.
They’re just normal people running the instance, not a major corporation with a legal team. While it’s unfortunate they defederated, it’s understandable that they’d rather be overly cautious when it comes to stuff they can be sued for
Anyone can be sued for anything. That alone isn’t a good reason.
A website like this is never going to be actually held liable for people making comments about piracy. That’s not how the law works.
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Yep I love piracy but I have a real life and I’d think twice about what I hosted if i ran an instance…no matter what I believe and the low likelihood of legal consequences. Hosting an instance is a hobby. I have to click two buttons in the app I use to access this place on another account. Who cares.
To be fair, you pirates always look like starving entitled whiny bastards. You want everything free in life and feel like you have the right and duty to take it from others. You can’t pay even $5 for a fucking game? Lmao you obviously can but choose to be a parasite and not to.
And before you come here telling me that it’s not stealing and these aren’t physical items, what I mean is that you’re actively hurting honest businesses and small artist. You’re taking thier products, making exact copies of it and then distributing them freely. You’re not competing economically making your own product, you’re just leeching off from someone else’s hard work and then killing any opportunity they could have of profiting from it.
Y all act like selling is something bad, but I have news for you: That’s how the world works! People need to buy food, pay rent and pay bills, and they’re not doing it by just making things free
Already a
opener, right up there with “um,” and “hate to break it to you, but”
Some day sucking all that shoe polish off of corporate footwear will pay off and you will wear the boot! Keep at it, treat defender!
Your refractory period must have passed because you’re doing the
thing again in the same post.
You may need to hydrate, have more Vitamin E, and possibly have a burn clinic on speed dial with all that mental masturbation you’re doing here.
Imagine being this much of a fucking square.
I haven’t heard someone call a person a square in a long time.
And you’d do the same, if you could.
Your boss steals every day from you. Corporations steal every day from us. Why are we supposed to act like docile sheep?
What do they steal? They pay me my fair share, people who agree to do jobs underpaid is because they’re fucking stupid and don’t know to take good gigs. Either that or the my get a fair pay but they just are greedy and want more without doing any more work
If you really think, you get a fair share, you’re naive or trolling.
Every profit your company pays to shareholders is fruit of your labor stolen from you. And if you can’t see that, you’re exactly the kind of docile worker they want.
BTW: it’s typical for types like you to look down upon the lower class as stupid and lazy. That’s a way for you to feel empowered in the face of the inherent unfairness of the system. And you can ignore, that you’re being fucked just like the others. You just get a cushion for your elbows, so it’s slightly more comfortable.
Every profit my company pays to shareholders is part of my labor, that’s how it works, I her a cut to work on a bigger entity than me, where I can profit form labor me alone couldn’t and we both get our part.
The system isn’t fair, if I work I get money. Lower class exist because they’re not as prepared or educated as the rest or because they don’t want to work. So I don’t know what problems are you talking about
We’re living in a world that’s actively killing the planet and lets literally millions of people die of starvation in the name of profit and your answer is “guess they weren’t educated enough”…
You are the problem. Your blindness, lack of empathy, lack of education or simply stupidity, I don’t know. But you are the problem.
Nobody’s pirating $5 games. People pirate price-gouge-tastic games from billion-dollar corporations that cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars in total, and are designed to exploit players’ psychological weaknesses (like gambling addiction or childhood naïveté) to extract far more money from them than a reasonable adult would be willing to pay. They also ruin the experience of their own products with high-overhead DRM like Denuvo, which pirates remove. These are not honest businesses, they are extremely profitable despite widespread piracy, and they do not require or deserve your sympathy.
Lol I hardly think that companies like EA or Microsoft are “honest businesses” or “small artist[s]”, fuckers have made billions of dollars through their anticompetitive monopolistic bullshit.
And I have news for YOU. I WILL keep on supporting the piracy of unoptimised, incomplete garbage games, that use the preorders as beta testers, famous examples being Gollum and Cyberpunk 77. In comparison, I see no problem paying for quality games like Skyrim, or games that have fixed their issues, like Shadow of War removing the microtransactions and fixing most of the bugs. But crap like Gollum (the game, I have a sort of respect and pity for the character) has no place on my system, even if I had Duck Tales money, even if I had a 2 TB RAM, multiple 4090s or whatever the latest overpriced Nvidia crap is, and the latest, most powerful, server level CPUs, with like 128 cores or something, I still wouldn’t buy and play this garbage. Alright?
I velieve rhis shpuld be done to teach the lazy bastards in management in those game companies, that if you want good sales, you have to take things a bit slower and poliah the product out. Unfortunately, it seems that they don’t give a fuck, because Denuvo protects their games during the first few months of sales, when they make a profit on the garbage they’ve made. Then they do some bug fixing and move on to the next cash cow. That’s how the gaming industry works. And I don’t know about you, but I do NOT want to support this mess.
You’re not making any sense dude, are you a masochist or what? You so vehemently say how bad, unfinished, unpolished and garbage these games are and yet you go out of your way to pirate them and play them, even if you hate it and rant about how you wouldn’t install them even if you had a quantum pc.
Also, you pirates argue that pirating doesn’t really affect companies, that once you decide not to buy thier stuff pirating doesn’t make any difference, so how that would “teach them”?. To me, seems like a childish way to get back at them then, you know you’re doing nothing and yet you choose to do so. So irrational and ridiculous.
That’s what I hate about you pirates, you HAVE to consume no matter what, even if it’s crap you don’t even like, who is the greedy one, companies or you that steal just to munch on trash?
You’re the toxic Bungie fan. These days, munching trash is your job!
Nah. They become not-trash when they get the bugs fixed. With what I’m doing I’m hoping to send a message that this way of doing things sucks!
I don’t care.
When I am able to pay content creators directly, I do. I am not a pirate, myself, though I have pirated in the past. I think some of the rationale behind pirating derives from intolerance of anti-consumer practices. If I’m paying for a streaming service, I shouldn’t be forced to watch ads. If I’m paying for a game, there shouldn’t be day one DLC-gated content, especially if that content is already part of the game and the DLC does little more than unlock it (I’m looking at you Bioware).
Pirating isn’t always about stealing for the sake of using or watching something for free. It can be about that, sure, but it isn’t always. Often, it’s about punishing entities for bad practices—for treating customers unfairly, for instance, or for restricting access to content.
And usually the people who make decisions that negatively affect customers are removed from the creation of the content itself. It’s kind of sad, really.
Voting with your wallet is valid and understandable, I have no issues when someone refuse to buy products from a brand they don’t like for any reason.
But, for pirates isn’t enough to just not buy, they have to consume the product either way even if, by their words, is a garbage mess, bad service or whatever. They like to trash talk about games or shows or anything and yet they go out of thier way to pirate.
Also, according to them, when you pirate a game you’re not hurting the company, because you already make the decision to not buy the product, so pirating it doesn’t make any difference. So how that would that punish any entity then? It’s so incoherent
I think you may have misunderstood: sometimes the intent is to hurt a company. I believe that sometimes it can be entirely morally justifiable.
Found bungiefan’s new alt name
Get a life dude
Joined 6 hours ago, I’d be willing to bet money that they’re the same person.
Marathon was really unique and I know Halo has a lot of fans, but the far end of the Bungie fandom licks a lot of boots.
Stealing rules hope this helps
Paypigs are pathetic. Imagine forking over money to some corporate publisher to “support the artist” . Want to support independent artists/creators? It’s called commissions and donations(patreon, kofi, etc.)
so are the people profiting from said work. the owners of the business keep the revenue, they don’t give it to the people who did the hard work.
The people who did the work are employees, and they’re paid according to the task they perform. Companies get a share obiusly, because that’s the business model, they’re the ones who have to put in place a workplace, assemble a team, acquire resources and so on
Its just the business model for leeches at the top to siphon off all the value created by peopoe who actually do the work. This is why pirating is so awful. Think of the C-suite overlords and shareholders!!!
Bootlickers like you also make this claim to justify insulin having thousands of percent markup from the cost of manufacture.
justifying the expropriation of surplus value through tired liberal platitudes - it’s almost like someone wrote a book 200 years ago explaining in gratuitous detail why you’re wrong.
I claim user name of Bungiefan. I came up with it, so it’s mine. All posts made under that user name are now my intellectual property.
These days, a more obscure toxic fandom, but still one with quite a history of Disney-tier “anything the treat maker does is objectively justified and any criticism threatens the flow of additional treats and must be raged at” takes.
Them defederating piracy communities was the nail in the coffin for me, just deleted account.
First was some weird shit about a porn community with petite girls and how it invites pedophiles. Even though that one doesn’t affect me, it’s still like uhhhhh, petite women exist…
Now this piracy shit. It’s like they’re pushing their morals and “concerns” onto every member without consent. Reddit still has piracy and petite subreddits, which paints somewhat of a picture of how non issue they are.
Hopefully shitjustworks is fast, stable, and doesn’t pull that shit.
What is the petite community you say?
Adorableporn. The girl in question wasn’t even naked if the post people said sparked it was the one I saw. Braces = cp apparently.
There’s even a fauxbait.
There was also the pre-emptive de-federating from another instance because the admin didn’t agree with that instance’s admins political ideologies, even though on that instance the admin was telling people to obey other instance rules and not brigade etc.
To be fair, the petite girl controversy thing was the lemmy.blahaj.zone admin being a weird tyrant, not lemmy.world. Unless they did the same thing at LW lol. Thus far shitjustworks has been reliable and unobtrusive for me.
They certainly picked a weird hill to choose for defederating, lots of communities defederate lemmynsfw just because they don’t want porn in users feeds (which is totally fair). The specific post they were angry at was a verified OF model and also had been verified for the community they were posted in. Like if you just don’t want a porn instance just say that’s the reason, dont make it look bad
Lemmy seems to be following a path of Discord. First you pick your genre/niche, join a Lemmy instance that is friendly/popular to that topic, then join and start subscribing to topics in that niche.
That’s why I’ve joined at dbzer0, to follow the discussion related to piracy without worry of defederation as the largest community for that niche is here.
Does shitjustworks have any defederation policy?
The way it’s been working so far is that people will bring up instances they have concerns about in the agora community. There’s community discussion, and then a vote. So far I think just exploding-heads was defederated from after a discussion and vote.
Well, that vote just proved shit doesn’t work is mostly bots. So many bots voted. Anyways, exploding-heads is moving to nostr and so should all you fags
Double irony both from their name and this hope considering they’ve been down for a while now.
EDIT: and they’re back up now. Maybe they didn’t want Lemmy.world hogging all the downtime.
Obvious troll is obvious