They don’t give organs to alcoholics who don’t stop drinking either.
Good luck getting a heart of you refuse to quit eating a hamburger an hour.
Look, you have to pass a baseline level of taking care of yourself to qualify for an organ, and vaccinations are the bottom, base level first line of defense.
[Lawyers for AHS] cited a national consensus statement — developed in November 2021 and subsequently accepted by all Canadian transplant programs — which found a 25-30 per cent mortality rate in patients infected with COVID post-organ transplant.
July 2022 - Court of King’s Bench, Justice Paul Belzil - “…subjecting clinical decisions to charter scrutiny would create “medical chaos,” with patients seeking “endless judicial review of clinical treatment decisions.””
November 2022 - Alberta Court of Appeals, Justices Frederica Schutz, Michelle Crighton and Dawn Pentelechuk - “Ms. Lewis’ COVID-19 vaccination status is not who she is,” the court wrote. “It is not an immutable personal characteristic … her choice not to get vaccinated against COVID-19 is just that — a choice.”
June 2023 - Supreme Court of Canada - refused to hear appeal.
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Transplants are incredibly strict about you not just wanting to live, but doing everything you can in order to live. It is good that the transplant went to someone with a sense of self-preservation. Utter waste on the likes of her.
I can respect her. She was stupid, but hey, at least she was not a hypocrite. If there were more stupid people who weren’t hypocrites at the same time, life would be a little bit easier.
If you can’t even be bothered to get vaccinated, you can’t be trusted to keep up with your treatments and meds required for an organ transplant. If she’s not gonna trust science and doctors, why should they waste their time and a good donor organ on her?
There’s a very high likelihood she would have died if their gave her the transplant without her being vaccinated. A transplant is already a huge stress on a body and if you’re not vaccinated, you have a high chance to die from something as simple as the flu or a staph infection, due to all the immunosuppressant meds required.
It was discriminatory, just not bigoted. Medical professionals have to be discriminating in who gets organs, because there aren’t enough for everyone. They rightfully, necessarily discriminate against people who will not significantly benefit from the organs they have, including against antivaxx morons.
A bit of a semantics thing but it’s not discrimination because they’re subjecting all organ transplant candidates to the same requirements. Discrimination has a specific meaning in a Canadian legal context.
There’s all sorts of shots, need meds, treatments you have to keep up with sheet an organ transplant
She made it clear that she wasn’t going to follow those directions, making it a waste to give her an organ transplant.
Do I think she really sat down and did the internal cartography we all need in order to grow as people? No. Do I think she was competent enough to understand the concepts of death and 100%? As well as anyone, well enough that I don’t think that it’s reasonable to take the decision making power from her.
I disagree that any decision making power was taken from her.
She was given instructions from a her doctors: get vaccinated if you want a transplant.
She chose to not follow those instructions.
I think her failing was, was that the disinformation she’d internalised some how made her think that the imagined risks of the vaccine were worse than guaranteed death from not getting a transplant.
I suspect she’d had a privileged enough life that the consequences of her making poor decisions like that were minimised: right up until the consequence was significant: death. Even then she failed to make a rational decision.
I mean if someone is willing to waste an organ on you, the least you can do is take all the medicine they’re advising you in order to increase your chances to survive.
No, it’s not. Organs are hard to come by and the courts have long held that organ donation networks can choose recipients based on the highest likelihood of success including vaccination status. She chose to die rather than getting a safe, effective vaccine. It was her right to make that choice but, like every choice we make, that choice had consequences.
It’s definitely sad, but not discriminatory. Organ transplant recipients generally need to take a lot of immunosuppressive medications. Getting fully vaccinated is a bare minimum for improving the likelihood of a successful transplant.
You can also be denied a transplant for bad hygiene, missing appointments, being too old, or any other reason that makes them think you wouldn’t get the most out of the organ. Not following your doctor’s instructions is definitely going to kill your chances - if you refuse to be vaccines, what happens if you decide maybe you don’t need to take your immunosuppressants? Or you decide you could probably drink a bit just this once, no matter what your doctor said. You can destroy a transplanted organ with one bad decision
A new organ isn’t a right or a privilege, it’s triage. There aren’t enough to go around, so medical ethics dictate you first save people who are dying, but are most likely to be savable - refusing a vaccine is a serious risk factor
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They don’t give organs to alcoholics who don’t stop drinking either.
Good luck getting a heart of you refuse to quit eating a hamburger an hour.
Look, you have to pass a baseline level of taking care of yourself to qualify for an organ, and vaccinations are the bottom, base level first line of defense.
Yup.
Good
Stupid people commit suicide in lots of creative ways. It’s not news.
Can we tell that canada is a failed state?
Third best quality of life in the world.
Twelfth safest country to live in in the world.
Sixth country in the world in terms of personal freedom
and second in terms of religious freedom.
Tenth best country in the world to do business in.
Second best country in the world to headquarter a business in.
Fourteenth least corrupt country in the world.
So this seems more like a you problem than a Canada problem. You are clearly delusional. You should get help.
[Lawyers for AHS] cited a national consensus statement — developed in November 2021 and subsequently accepted by all Canadian transplant programs — which found a 25-30 per cent mortality rate in patients infected with COVID post-organ transplant.
July 2022 - Court of King’s Bench, Justice Paul Belzil - “…subjecting clinical decisions to charter scrutiny would create “medical chaos,” with patients seeking “endless judicial review of clinical treatment decisions.””
November 2022 - Alberta Court of Appeals, Justices Frederica Schutz, Michelle Crighton and Dawn Pentelechuk - “Ms. Lewis’ COVID-19 vaccination status is not who she is,” the court wrote. “It is not an immutable personal characteristic … her choice not to get vaccinated against COVID-19 is just that — a choice.”
June 2023 - Supreme Court of Canada - refused to hear appeal.
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Yes, and there are a few Facebook refugees here pushing their anti-reality nonsense.
The important thing is that she stuck to her principles. :/
I’m sure her family agree.
A stubborn Darwin award winner. Way to hang in there.
Petulant
https://www.theguardian.com/science/occams-corner/2013/may/09/evolutionary-theory-gone-wrong-darwin#:~:text=The%20Darwin%20awards%20are%20clearly%20meant%20to%20be%20funny%20%E2%80%93%20but%20in%20reality%20this%20has%20nothing%20to%20do%20with%20genetic%20inheritance%20because%20there%20is%20not%20a%20gene%20for%20%22doing%20stupid%20things%22.
Piece of advice, I don’t know if you’re trolling or not, but if you’re being genuine you’re making everybody hate you.
Please pick better battles, for your sake and ours.
https://gizmodo.com/online-trolls-actually-just-assholes-all-the-time-stud-1847575210
You need a new hobby.
What a bonkers hill to literally die on.
If you make being petulant your entire identity…
Petulant is such a great word for all these people.
It applies equally well to the tantrumists who blocked the border crossings and shit all over the street in downtown Ottawa.
Yea but think of all the libs she owned
As a lib… I feel so owned.
Woman chooses to die in favor of the comfort of stupidity.
Proud grad of the Medical School at the University of Facebook, I’m sure.
Transplants are incredibly strict about you not just wanting to live, but doing everything you can in order to live. It is good that the transplant went to someone with a sense of self-preservation. Utter waste on the likes of her.
What’s so dumb is they require a ton of shots already, and she would have had to take anti rejection drugs after. Like what would one more have been.
You can’t fix stupid.
No, but stupid can fix itself.
This was very funny and I will steal it
Please.
I can respect her. She was stupid, but hey, at least she was not a hypocrite. If there were more stupid people who weren’t hypocrites at the same time, life would be a little bit easier.
That is sad and discriminatory.
It only discriminates against people who refuse to take simple basic steps toward self-care.
Stupidity isn’t one on the list under which it’s illegal to discriminate.
If you can’t even be bothered to get vaccinated, you can’t be trusted to keep up with your treatments and meds required for an organ transplant. If she’s not gonna trust science and doctors, why should they waste their time and a good donor organ on her?
personally I think its fucking hilarious and just
edit: aw the poor cookers feeling upset their deaths are laughed at?
There’s a very high likelihood she would have died if their gave her the transplant without her being vaccinated. A transplant is already a huge stress on a body and if you’re not vaccinated, you have a high chance to die from something as simple as the flu or a staph infection, due to all the immunosuppressant meds required.
Edit: Staph not staff 🤦♂️
Staph infection?
Yeah, that was what I meant. Thanks for catching that.
Sad but not even slightly discriminatory. She made the choice and suffered the consequences.
It was discriminatory, just not bigoted. Medical professionals have to be discriminating in who gets organs, because there aren’t enough for everyone. They rightfully, necessarily discriminate against people who will not significantly benefit from the organs they have, including against antivaxx morons.
A bit of a semantics thing but it’s not discrimination because they’re subjecting all organ transplant candidates to the same requirements. Discrimination has a specific meaning in a Canadian legal context.
There’s all sorts of shots, need meds, treatments you have to keep up with sheet an organ transplant She made it clear that she wasn’t going to follow those directions, making it a waste to give her an organ transplant.
You and @Holyginz are just using different meanings of the word from each other.
discriminatory
adjective
Marked by or showing prejudice; biased.
Making distinctions.
No one is entitled to an organ. She understood the consequences of a choice, and she made her choice.
I don’t think she understood any consequences of any choice ever.
Do I think she really sat down and did the internal cartography we all need in order to grow as people? No. Do I think she was competent enough to understand the concepts of death and 100%? As well as anyone, well enough that I don’t think that it’s reasonable to take the decision making power from her.
I disagree that any decision making power was taken from her.
She was given instructions from a her doctors: get vaccinated if you want a transplant.
She chose to not follow those instructions.
I think her failing was, was that the disinformation she’d internalised some how made her think that the imagined risks of the vaccine were worse than guaranteed death from not getting a transplant.
I suspect she’d had a privileged enough life that the consequences of her making poor decisions like that were minimised: right up until the consequence was significant: death. Even then she failed to make a rational decision.
Organs go to those who follow doctor’s orders. The unvaccinated are not a protected class.
I mean if someone is willing to waste an organ on you, the least you can do is take all the medicine they’re advising you in order to increase your chances to survive.
No, it’s not. Organs are hard to come by and the courts have long held that organ donation networks can choose recipients based on the highest likelihood of success including vaccination status. She chose to die rather than getting a safe, effective vaccine. It was her right to make that choice but, like every choice we make, that choice had consequences.
It’s definitely sad, but not discriminatory. Organ transplant recipients generally need to take a lot of immunosuppressive medications. Getting fully vaccinated is a bare minimum for improving the likelihood of a successful transplant.
It’s absolutely discriminatory.
Discretion, not discrimination
You can also be denied a transplant for bad hygiene, missing appointments, being too old, or any other reason that makes them think you wouldn’t get the most out of the organ. Not following your doctor’s instructions is definitely going to kill your chances - if you refuse to be vaccines, what happens if you decide maybe you don’t need to take your immunosuppressants? Or you decide you could probably drink a bit just this once, no matter what your doctor said. You can destroy a transplanted organ with one bad decision
A new organ isn’t a right or a privilege, it’s triage. There aren’t enough to go around, so medical ethics dictate you first save people who are dying, but are most likely to be savable - refusing a vaccine is a serious risk factor
Oh. It absolutely is, lol? 🤡
“I declare it!”
The Supreme Court of Canada doesn’t agree
Pffft… What do they know?
I know, right? They think they’re so smart with their fancy robes and law degrees.
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Choosing to make stupid decision about your health is not a base for crying discrimination