MONTREAL – Just over one year after the death of Queen Elizabeth II, a new poll suggests a growing number of Canadians believe it’s time to reconsider the country’s ties to the monarchy. Data re...
I think we have more important things to do then to change the name of an official. Cause ultimately we well still need a head of state. Governor General or President who really cares.
That goes both ways though. Wouldn’t the effort and cost to remove them be wasted if they don’t actually do anything. Lots of people struggling right now and I’d be pretty pissed if the government went around spending time and money on this
It doesn’t affect us day-to-day no, but honestly I like being part of a ‘Commonwealth’. I like feeling like I have something in common with Australia, or New Zealand, or the UK, even if I’ve only ever been to the UK for a few hours.
Your family name (for most people, unless you’re George Hitler) has no impact on your day-to-day, this to me seems like saying “We should just get rid of family names!”
The people who are being manipulated with this nationalist dog whistle see no value in being a member of the Commonwealth. Canada First and MCGA and all.
In fact, if Canada goes with a “President,” it would cost more. Just on the election alone, but then they will also need an enlarged staff for their political works. Also, electing a President has really been working out well elsewhere, like the USA, hasn’t it?
We could have a President that is ceremonial like the Governor General now. Which means this hole thing would be pointless just to change the name of some position.
That’s maybe enough for one 100 unit building a year, depending on where it’s built, which is something but so far from anything substantial.
Building is fucking expensive right now even if the province uses paramountcy to bypass municipal zoning. Plus, the province sucks ass at building compared to private because its gov’t. That’s not too say I don’t support massive amounts of public housing being built because I do 100%, but gov’t is gov’t.
How is it costing us 60 million a year? Majority is Governor General. Well we still need that position it well just be named President of something. So don’t see how it well save any money.
Indigenous person here … the monarchy is a complicated thing in Native Canada
On one hand most of us absolutely hate and despise the idea of a monarchy, kings and queens and all that garbage (personally I would love to see them removed from anything to do with government)
On the other hand, the monarchy is our linchpin on the government where many of our original agreements and treaties start and originate from. Many believe that in doing away with the monarchy … it would give the government an opportunity to do away with many historic treaties and agreements from the past that were made with the monarch and not with the country. It’s a whole legal debate that would be a huge headache for government/Native people/monarchists/anti-monarchists/etc
So in Native Canada … it’s split … we would love to see the King leave … but we also don’t want to give the government a chance to step away from legal responsibilities. Argue what you want but whenever dramatic changes happen to laws regarding Native people … historically, it’s never been good for us … and Indigenous Canada knows that by heart now … we don’t trust the Canadian government of any stripe to do anything beneficial for us … we have to fight for ourselves all the time.
War with Canada, though? Canada. I’ve genuinely never heard me or any other American on any political side have one negative thing to say about Canada, and we generally view them as our little brother no matter how frustrated and superior actual Canadians get about it.
The brits would be invading America’s hat, it would be a war over the rule of the monarchy, and both sides being NATO members means NATO is not really a concern.
I don’t think that would ever be a thing, but if it were a thing, I really wouldn’t choose to be at war with anyone on US borders. Not even saber rattling. We’re very paranoid, if that’s changed at all it’s gotten worse, and physically touching our borders will almost certainly draw aggro.
Plus, let’s be honest, Canadians aren’t brown enough to be ignored. We’d sell out Mexico faster than Canada simply because the cartels are too much trouble.
Either we are fighting a civilized opponent, in which case there will be a pause for tea, or we are fighting an uncivilized opponent, in which case good luck to them!
What seems likely to me is slowly changing things bit by bit. I don’t think the UK would mind either, it’s just a matter of spending time and effort (and money) making those legal changes.
The final constitutional change seems unlikely anytime soon. It’s very unlikely that all the provinces will agree to play ball and get it done unless there was an urgent need to get rid of it.
I don’t think most of those people who were questioned realize the monarchy is nothing but a figure and holds essentially no power, even though they do need to ratify stuff.
Just over half of respondents, at 51 per cent, agreed with the statement that the monarchy in Canada is outdated, does not have a place in the 21st century, and “we have to get rid of it.” In comparison, 33 per cent said the monarchy is an important part of the country’s history.
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On the other hand, the number of people who believed the monarchy “remains a positive symbol for Canada” rose by four points, to 52 per cent from 48, compared to 2021 data.
We have to get rid of it because it’s entirely unjustifiable that a ‘royal’ family exists regardless of the actual power that they wield. We’ve long moved past the concept of divine right of kings, there is no ethical basis for this institution. Those are the grounds on which it must be got rid of. That they are powerless money sucks that do nothing for us is just the cherry on top.
This is the exact thing I was talking about, say with me, the monarchy has NO POWER and is nothing more than a figure head. They’ve moved past the divine right of the “king” decades ago.
And Canada pays zero money to the monarchy, so they a rent a money suck either.
So circling back to people no understanding… thanks for proving my point explicitly!
Right, so time to get rid of the pointless institution. Why is this family receiving state money when there is no justification for them to be doing so? Bye bye, time to get a real job.
51 per cent, agreed with the statement that […] “we have to get rid of it.” In comparison, 33 per cent said the monarchy is an important part of the country’s history.
What kind of polling is this? It is not a contradictory standpoint to both say that something is an important part of a countries history, and it should be removed anyways.
Okay I know that “I’m smarter than everybody” is popular on sites like this but you can’t be serious in thinking that the average person thinks the King of England has real practical usable political power in Canada.
In theory? Sure. In reality, nope. No one is going to spend the political capital on this.
We’d still need an executive, even if only ceremonial. Getting consensus on that would be almost impossible.
IF we somehow managed to get to some sort of negotiating framework, we’d still need agreement from the feds and all of the premiers. You can bet that each of them will bring a laundry list of things they want to change in the constitution, and at least some of them will be ‘poison pills’ to kill the proceedings.
Ignoring issues it might cause with the commonwealth, it would be cool to just appoint our own monarch, like we do the GG. But I think that we enjoy privileges with the other commonwealth nations that we might lose if we did that.
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Please go for this. The more of you leave the “common” wealth, the less grasp they have, and hopefully they become easier to eventually completely be rid of.
You really want the Monarchy to go out on a high note rather than continue until everyone is just sick of it. QEII was The Office season 6. Charles is The Office Season 7. You don’t want to see what Season 8 brings.
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I think we have more important things to do then to change the name of an official. Cause ultimately we well still need a head of state. Governor General or President who really cares.
The monarchy does not affect my life in any way.
Then you should have no problem if it was abolished.
I don’t care either way. Literally don’t care.
I’m smart enough, though, to know that it’s being used as a dog whistle to whip up populist nationalism which is never a good thing for a country.
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That goes both ways though. Wouldn’t the effort and cost to remove them be wasted if they don’t actually do anything. Lots of people struggling right now and I’d be pretty pissed if the government went around spending time and money on this
Don’t look up how much the gold throne king charles III sits on is worth
What happens when or if a monarch refuses to rubber stamp?
They won’t. We live in a constitutional monarchy. Their role is ceremonial.
That’s what Australia thought until they elected a socialist and suddenly the Queen’s representative was running the country.
It doesn’t affect us day-to-day no, but honestly I like being part of a ‘Commonwealth’. I like feeling like I have something in common with Australia, or New Zealand, or the UK, even if I’ve only ever been to the UK for a few hours.
Your family name (for most people, unless you’re George Hitler) has no impact on your day-to-day, this to me seems like saying “We should just get rid of family names!”
The people who are being manipulated with this nationalist dog whistle see no value in being a member of the Commonwealth. Canada First and MCGA and all.
It is a mistake to assume that those of us who oppose monarchy are Canadian nationalists.
Some people simply hate outdated hereditary titles. They have no place in a democracy.
You don’t need to keep the Royal Family to stay in the Commonwealth. Take a look at the current members of the commonwealth.
It costs a lot of money, this money comes from your taxes, it affects your life
$1.55 per Canadian per year? Seriously?
Sixty million a year could build multiple public housing projects, every year. And on the other side of the balance scale is Charles.
We would still need an executive position. There would be no savings.
In fact, if Canada goes with a “President,” it would cost more. Just on the election alone, but then they will also need an enlarged staff for their political works. Also, electing a President has really been working out well elsewhere, like the USA, hasn’t it?
We could have a President that is ceremonial like the Governor General now. Which means this hole thing would be pointless just to change the name of some position.
That’s maybe enough for one 100 unit building a year, depending on where it’s built, which is something but so far from anything substantial.
Building is fucking expensive right now even if the province uses paramountcy to bypass municipal zoning. Plus, the province sucks ass at building compared to private because its gov’t. That’s not too say I don’t support massive amounts of public housing being built because I do 100%, but gov’t is gov’t.
You know it wouldn’t be, though.
How is it costing us 60 million a year? Majority is Governor General. Well we still need that position it well just be named President of something. So don’t see how it well save any money.
Indigenous person here … the monarchy is a complicated thing in Native Canada
On one hand most of us absolutely hate and despise the idea of a monarchy, kings and queens and all that garbage (personally I would love to see them removed from anything to do with government)
On the other hand, the monarchy is our linchpin on the government where many of our original agreements and treaties start and originate from. Many believe that in doing away with the monarchy … it would give the government an opportunity to do away with many historic treaties and agreements from the past that were made with the monarch and not with the country. It’s a whole legal debate that would be a huge headache for government/Native people/monarchists/anti-monarchists/etc
So in Native Canada … it’s split … we would love to see the King leave … but we also don’t want to give the government a chance to step away from legal responsibilities. Argue what you want but whenever dramatic changes happen to laws regarding Native people … historically, it’s never been good for us … and Indigenous Canada knows that by heart now … we don’t trust the Canadian government of any stripe to do anything beneficial for us … we have to fight for ourselves all the time.
This means war if such sentiments get out of hand.
Maybe you should lay off the glue.
Glue is what holds the United Kingdom together.
War with Canada, though? Canada. I’ve genuinely never heard me or any other American on any political side have one negative thing to say about Canada, and we generally view them as our little brother no matter how frustrated and superior actual Canadians get about it.
The brits would be invading America’s hat, it would be a war over the rule of the monarchy, and both sides being NATO members means NATO is not really a concern.
I don’t think that would ever be a thing, but if it were a thing, I really wouldn’t choose to be at war with anyone on US borders. Not even saber rattling. We’re very paranoid, if that’s changed at all it’s gotten worse, and physically touching our borders will almost certainly draw aggro.
Plus, let’s be honest, Canadians aren’t brown enough to be ignored. We’d sell out Mexico faster than Canada simply because the cartels are too much trouble.
The USA does not even have a monarchy, so Great Britain has nothing to fear from them militarily speaking.
Look who volunteered to die in the first wave.
Such heroism as mine is common place in the UK. Only subjects of an empire can understand this.
Oh yeah? You’re going to die for Charles?
If things truly got out of hand, I would be ok with !Browning@lemmy.world dying for Charles.
This is why the UK can not be defeated militarily. We are all prepared to die for each other, whether it’s needed or not.
But what if the war happens during tea time?
Have you even thought about that?
Either we are fighting a civilized opponent, in which case there will be a pause for tea, or we are fighting an uncivilized opponent, in which case good luck to them!
He would do the same for me.
Queen Elizabeth was a good place to stop.
What seems likely to me is slowly changing things bit by bit. I don’t think the UK would mind either, it’s just a matter of spending time and effort (and money) making those legal changes.
The final constitutional change seems unlikely anytime soon. It’s very unlikely that all the provinces will agree to play ball and get it done unless there was an urgent need to get rid of it.
Whether or not the UK would mind is irrelevant. Much like the monarchy. LOL
My point is that people aren’t opposed to ditching it, it’s the logistical issues
Darn it the wrong royal went to Epstein’s Island.
1602? Like, around the time of the founding of Québec?
I don’t think most of those people who were questioned realize the monarchy is nothing but a figure and holds essentially no power, even though they do need to ratify stuff.
I imagine they do realize that but then follow that thought up with, “So why are we continuing with this…?”
Not according to the article you posted.
Just over half of respondents, at 51 per cent, agreed with the statement that the monarchy in Canada is outdated, does not have a place in the 21st century, and “we have to get rid of it.” In comparison, 33 per cent said the monarchy is an important part of the country’s history.
And
On the other hand, the number of people who believed the monarchy “remains a positive symbol for Canada” rose by four points, to 52 per cent from 48, compared to 2021 data.
That seems to back up what I said? 51 percent, a majority, don’t see any reason to continue on with what they see as an outdated institution.
If it doesn’t affect anything, why the sentiment “we have to get rid of it”, arguably those would be the people that think they still hold power.
And even more than that amount see it as a positive….
We have to get rid of it because it’s entirely unjustifiable that a ‘royal’ family exists regardless of the actual power that they wield. We’ve long moved past the concept of divine right of kings, there is no ethical basis for this institution. Those are the grounds on which it must be got rid of. That they are powerless money sucks that do nothing for us is just the cherry on top.
… the monarchy holds no power, parliament does.
This is the exact thing I was talking about, say with me, the monarchy has NO POWER and is nothing more than a figure head. They’ve moved past the divine right of the “king” decades ago.
And Canada pays zero money to the monarchy, so they a rent a money suck either.
So circling back to people no understanding… thanks for proving my point explicitly!
Right, so time to get rid of the pointless institution. Why is this family receiving state money when there is no justification for them to be doing so? Bye bye, time to get a real job.
What kind of polling is this? It is not a contradictory standpoint to both say that something is an important part of a countries history, and it should be removed anyways.
That what happens when uneducated people participate in these polls.
I don’t think the issue is the people participating, it’s the design of the poll itself
The design of the poll is fine, if people were educated on how the monarchy works.
You don’t go into a lawyers office and poll them on a bunch of construction topics, that doesn’t mean the design of the poll is inherently flawed.
Just because a warplane has an ejection seat doesn’t mean you HAVE to use it. It’s just a pretty good option in some cases in order to save the pilot.
Symbols have power. Why do you think there is argument about configuration flag in the South?
Configuration flag?
lol, autocorrect. Confederation.
Okay I know that “I’m smarter than everybody” is popular on sites like this but you can’t be serious in thinking that the average person thinks the King of England has real practical usable political power in Canada.
A lot of people do, no different than people thinking the premier wields absolutely power as well. These people exist.
Reconsider if they want, but the position is locked into the constitution.
Constitutions can be changed.
In theory? Sure. In reality, nope. No one is going to spend the political capital on this.
We’d still need an executive, even if only ceremonial. Getting consensus on that would be almost impossible.
IF we somehow managed to get to some sort of negotiating framework, we’d still need agreement from the feds and all of the premiers. You can bet that each of them will bring a laundry list of things they want to change in the constitution, and at least some of them will be ‘poison pills’ to kill the proceedings.
Imagine living in a system so shit that people want to return to monarchy
Maybe the free market is not so liberating after all, who would’ve guessed
interesting
isn’t largely just ceremonial at this point? I was unaware the monarchy was actually “involved”. (dumb USA here)
Ignoring issues it might cause with the commonwealth, it would be cool to just appoint our own monarch, like we do the GG. But I think that we enjoy privileges with the other commonwealth nations that we might lose if we did that.
I’d like it gone but I’d also rather be British than American
Greetings from the UK.
Please go for this. The more of you leave the “common” wealth, the less grasp they have, and hopefully they become easier to eventually completely be rid of.
Anyone claiming they have no influence is being wilfully ignorant at this point
https://theconversation.com/the-queens-gambit-new-evidence-shows-how-her-majesty-wields-influence-on-legislation-154818 (yes, she’s dead, but what applied to her will apply to him)
Changing our relationship with the UK in this climate of increasingly grabby fringe groups is a huge risk.
We have bigger fish to fry.
You really want the Monarchy to go out on a high note rather than continue until everyone is just sick of it. QEII was The Office season 6. Charles is The Office Season 7. You don’t want to see what Season 8 brings.