Tainted CPAP machines and ventilators went to children, the elderly and at least 700,000 veterans despite internal warnings. Company insiders said the devices posed an “unacceptable” risk.
Exhibit #482,683 on why capitalism and medicine are inevitably a horrible combination.
That’s correct, but a lot of foams and soft plastics are also inherently unstable under normal conditions. Many consumer products have foams or soft rubbery exteriors that will quickly breakdown in a matter of years. These products should just be banned, they just contribute to landfill waste and planned obsolescence.
The company acknowledged that the foam it had chosen could crumble in heat and humidity and send potentially “toxic and carcinogenic” material into the noses, mouths, throats and lungs of users.
Not only was the foam dysfunctional, the material was fucking carcinogenic.
The real problem is the whole idea of self regulation of companies. We should have inspectors and things like this should be randomly bought and inspected.
I agree, and, furthermore, corporate death penalties for this kind of shit need to be an actual thing. Did your actions directly cause disease and death? Yes? Great, we’re dissolving your board, banning them form serving on the board of any publicly traded company for a decade, liquidating company assets, and criminally charging anyone who touched this shit with a 10-foot pole.
You’re entitled to that opinion, but if I go out right now and murder someone with my vehicle due to deliberately or accidentally getting drunk, I’m probably going to jail. Corporations have demanded that they be treated as people, so…fine. Let’s give them what they want.
Yes. I had a recalled CPAP machine. I had to pay around $1000 to buy another suppliers machine. In the end they said they would give me $40 to sign a release which of course is no thank you. I feel like they owe me half the cost of the new machine. What a ripoff. The way they get around that is just to say the machine has 0 value after 5 years which is not really true.
The whole process was horrible too. Got a notification which basically says you should not use it any more and talk to your doctor. They basically said you should continue to use it. Total double speak. Then at the same time the company says they are working on a plan. Then after streaching it out a year they say it is over 5 years old and your out of luck.
Thankfully I just purchased a new one immediately and skipped the drama.
Exhibit #482,683 on why capitalism and medicine are inevitably a horrible combination.
And on why regulations and independent audits of product/service health effects are entirely necessary. If people could stop being such fucks and prioritising revenue, we wouldn’t need a bunch of people to investigate, document and litigate their bullshit. And we wouldn’t need courts to sit there and establish whether the law let’s them do that in that precise way right this minute.
Greedy parasites going out there, killing us, profiting from it, and making a bunch of extra work for us, just to prove they’re being greedy malicious parasites.
Company decisions should have personal consequences for the people who benefit the most from them.
I had one of those devices. I was prescribed it after being in the hospital for an unrelated reason. Had no idea I needed one, made a hell of a difference. I was contacted by the recall and gave them all my info. They have let me know several times that they won’t send me a new one unless I can send the prescription from 10 years ago. The sleep study place was contracted with the hospital, but the office has since closed. I let them know and they just told me,“Too bad, so sad.” I was able to buy a used machine off Craigslist for $180 that is better than that old Phillips. Sorry for the verbal spew, all just to say, fuck Philips.
Pretty sure they would’ve accepted a current prescription too, from your current sleep doc. I had a really old prescription too and had no issues with my current doc handling the paperwork
I didn’t realize I needed another prescription to get a replacement CPAP machine. So now I get to scramble to get a prescription from my new doctor because my old doctor is out of network now.
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This really sucks.
The foam disintegrated in humidity but a CPAP uses water to humidify the air that’s pumping, right?
That’s correct, but a lot of foams and soft plastics are also inherently unstable under normal conditions. Many consumer products have foams or soft rubbery exteriors that will quickly breakdown in a matter of years. These products should just be banned, they just contribute to landfill waste and planned obsolescence.
Not to mention
Not only was the foam dysfunctional, the material was fucking carcinogenic.
The real problem is the whole idea of self regulation of companies. We should have inspectors and things like this should be randomly bought and inspected.
I agree, and, furthermore, corporate death penalties for this kind of shit need to be an actual thing. Did your actions directly cause disease and death? Yes? Great, we’re dissolving your board, banning them form serving on the board of any publicly traded company for a decade, liquidating company assets, and criminally charging anyone who touched this shit with a 10-foot pole.
thats a bridge to far for me but I would really like regulation to go back to what we were doing in the 70’s
You’re entitled to that opinion, but if I go out right now and murder someone with my vehicle due to deliberately or accidentally getting drunk, I’m probably going to jail. Corporations have demanded that they be treated as people, so…fine. Let’s give them what they want.
yeah actually my brain sorta misread and I thought you were talking executing the board. rereading its not to bad.
Yes. I had a recalled CPAP machine. I had to pay around $1000 to buy another suppliers machine. In the end they said they would give me $40 to sign a release which of course is no thank you. I feel like they owe me half the cost of the new machine. What a ripoff. The way they get around that is just to say the machine has 0 value after 5 years which is not really true.
The whole process was horrible too. Got a notification which basically says you should not use it any more and talk to your doctor. They basically said you should continue to use it. Total double speak. Then at the same time the company says they are working on a plan. Then after streaching it out a year they say it is over 5 years old and your out of luck.
Thankfully I just purchased a new one immediately and skipped the drama.
And on why regulations and independent audits of product/service health effects are entirely necessary. If people could stop being such fucks and prioritising revenue, we wouldn’t need a bunch of people to investigate, document and litigate their bullshit. And we wouldn’t need courts to sit there and establish whether the law let’s them do that in that precise way right this minute.
Greedy parasites going out there, killing us, profiting from it, and making a bunch of extra work for us, just to prove they’re being greedy malicious parasites.
Company decisions should have personal consequences for the people who benefit the most from them.
people really don’t seem to understand that this will never stop unless we move away from capitalism
I had one of those devices. I was prescribed it after being in the hospital for an unrelated reason. Had no idea I needed one, made a hell of a difference. I was contacted by the recall and gave them all my info. They have let me know several times that they won’t send me a new one unless I can send the prescription from 10 years ago. The sleep study place was contracted with the hospital, but the office has since closed. I let them know and they just told me,“Too bad, so sad.” I was able to buy a used machine off Craigslist for $180 that is better than that old Phillips. Sorry for the verbal spew, all just to say, fuck Philips.
Jesus Christ. Theme: tell me you’re an American without telling me you’re an American.
Best healthcare in the…ya know, fuck it, I can’t even sarcastically finish the sentence
And fuck the healthcare industry as a whole. The fact that “healthcare industry” is even a thing is offensive.
Pretty sure they would’ve accepted a current prescription too, from your current sleep doc. I had a really old prescription too and had no issues with my current doc handling the paperwork
Hey, thanks. It sure sounded like they wanted the original prescription. I’ll try out my new doctor. Doesn’t hurt to have a spare.
I didn’t realize I needed another prescription to get a replacement CPAP machine. So now I get to scramble to get a prescription from my new doctor because my old doctor is out of network now.
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Damn that’s scary sick. Let’s put the responsible on one of those dirty machines as punishment.