A historic number of Americans prefer neither President Biden nor former President Trump be elected president in 2024, according to a new CNN/SSRS poll. The survey found that 33 percent favored Tru…
‘Historic’ number of people don’t want this thing happening for the first time to happen.
Wow, such history!
Hopefully Desantis and Trump spend much of their money, time, and effort shitting all over one another to lessen the chance of fascist scum finding their way back into the Whitehouse.
I’m not suggesting every democrat who dislikes moderates is a troll
Im referring to the number of people in this thread pushing the narrative that both parties were equally bad, or discouraging voting altogether for whatever reason. That is something trolls engage in.
I dont get why someone who is so dissatisfied with Biden for not being progressive enough would choose not to vote when the opponents who would benefit from this decision are fucking far-right christian authoritarians.
He’s going to run from jail on the hope he can pardon himself. Guaranteed. (If he even sees jail, which he likely won’t because of the requirement for SS protection)
It’s because the election system is First Past the Post. If they changed it to Ranked Choice Voting, all candidates from both primaries (plus independents) could run in the election and it would be up to the public to decide which of them is best, with their vote going to a fallback candidate if their favourite doesn’t win.
As a representative democracy we are doing it wrong when none of the candidates represent the majority. They represent business and special interests that’s it.
That being said republicans are in the pockets of the most backwards ass religious folks… So that’s is definitely worse when they continue to shit on our constitution for that group.
Are leaders chosen exclusively according to the popular will of The People as you would seem to assert, or not?
Are their extrapublic forces fingering the scales?
You can’t imply voters are to blame for the parties ignoring their interests and admit other interests manipulate the system to serve their ends.
primary voters vote for the candidate. party elites might have their horse but if the voters go another way, then their horse still loses the race despite the advantage. an outsider candidate could win if they have the votes.
We’re you paying attention during the primaries? Everywhere pushed the narrative that he couldn’t beat Trump enough that people believed it and voted for Biden in the primaries.
Do you have any idea how influential media is? When you have MSNBC and CNN plus various others talking about how Biden is the only viable option again and again and again, you can’t ignore the influence of that. He won South Carolina after the endorsement of a very popular and influential corporate Democrat there. The media along with the DNC saw that as the opportunity to rally around Biden. Everyone drops out and endorses him, and there you go. I’m oversimplifying a bit for the sake of brevity, obviously, but bottom line, Biden was chosen and supported to defeat Bernie because they couldn’t accept the possibility of a politician like Bernie winning. He was a threat to capital and he was extinguished from the race.
@hihusio@trashhalo@sin_free_for_00_days
Trump saying that the election was stolen in 2020 (rehashing a lie from before 2016 election that if doesn’t win it is fraud)
Big Lie: Hillary Clinton is assured to win. Next Big Lie: HRC lost only because of Russians, Susan Sarandon, and Bernie Sanders (ignore the 40 rallies he did to GOTV)
Next Big Lie: Only moderate corporatists could beat Trump, Biden winning 5 states by a margin of victory of less than 100k votes must be ignored
Well there already almost a dozen republican candidates, we just need to collectively back one or two that aren’t Trump. Does anyone have any thoughts on William Hurd who just announced? I don’t know much about him.
Are there any promising Democrats that are running against Biden?
@furrious09@trashhalo
Marianne Williamson, and to a lesser extent RFK Jr are going to be ignored by outlets with the biggest audiences. If the gestalt of the Democratic Establishment is that there’s no primary, the MSM isn’t going to do a thing for candidates running against Biden from the left. Williamson polls at 5%-9% and RFK 10%-15% yet MSM will give all the coverage to GOP candidates who are polling under 3% and not Dem challengers.
The media definitely won’t help, but both of them are pretty weak contenders either way.
RFK Jr. is a strident antivaxxer, which is a nonstarter for many people, especially those that vote in Democratic primaries. A good chunk of his press is arguably off the back of the Kennedy name, rather than the merits of his policies.
Williamson is (or at least was) a self-help guru, which could cause people to see her as untrustworthy. And unlike RFK, she doesn’t have a political career or established name to draw on, just vaguely progressive “vibes”.
I don’t think a more established figure like Sanders would be doing well in the polls right now, either. We’re a year out from the actual primaries, people’s thoughts on them are vague, and they’re more likely to just go with the default of Biden if asked. But RFK and Williamson don’t have particularly strong cases beyond being non-Biden choices.
@catcarlson an actual elected official would be unpersoned by the media, and that’s a known threat that anyone else but Williamson and RFK Jr would happen - if Al Gore (5 years Biden’s junior) were to throw his hat into the ring he’d be blamed for everything including the fortune that he’s gotten from Occidental Petroleum or from MBS via al Jareeza buying his Current TV, and every skeleton in his closet to ruin his reputation.
The Democratic Party is wholly undemocratic I it’s top-down ways
I guess you could argue that Williamson is coming from the left, but RFK sure as heck isn’t.
We aren’t missing out on the next great president between those two if the MSM isn’t covering them as serious candidates, because the truth is they aren’t.
I don’t see how this is a particularly meaningful finding. Republicans hate Biden, and Democrats loathe Trump, so it’s unlikely ANYONE on either side would be hoping for a rematch.
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Wow, such history!
Hopefully Desantis and Trump spend much of their money, time, and effort shitting all over one another to lessen the chance of fascist scum finding their way back into the Whitehouse.
Is it just me or is this thread swarming with trolls?
We’ve really got to kick this idea thatDemocratss who don’t like moderates are trolls.
They exist in large supply.
I’m not suggesting every democrat who dislikes moderates is a troll
Im referring to the number of people in this thread pushing the narrative that both parties were equally bad, or discouraging voting altogether for whatever reason. That is something trolls engage in.
I dont get why someone who is so dissatisfied with Biden for not being progressive enough would choose not to vote when the opponents who would benefit from this decision are fucking far-right christian authoritarians.
what if we had a president who was actually going to have to live with the consequences of what they chose to do?
That damn Cheeto chimp better be in jail and disqualified. Pure insanity.
Being in jail does not disqualify him, unfortunately. Only an impeachment would do that, and Republicans would stand fast against that.
He’s going to run from jail on the hope he can pardon himself. Guaranteed. (If he even sees jail, which he likely won’t because of the requirement for SS protection)
An anachronistic old white dude vs a corrupt old orange dude. Why is this the best we as a country can do?
It’s because the election system is First Past the Post. If they changed it to Ranked Choice Voting, all candidates from both primaries (plus independents) could run in the election and it would be up to the public to decide which of them is best, with their vote going to a fallback candidate if their favourite doesn’t win.
As a representative democracy we are doing it wrong when none of the candidates represent the majority. They represent business and special interests that’s it.
That being said republicans are in the pockets of the most backwards ass religious folks… So that’s is definitely worse when they continue to shit on our constitution for that group.
So sleepy Joe it is.
The parties don’t care what people want/need. Occasionally putting the lipstick on the pig fools too many people for them to care.
voters select these candidates via primaries and general election, though.
Do they though?
funding and party support is one thing. votes are another.
Are leaders chosen exclusively according to the popular will of The People as you would seem to assert, or not?
Are their extrapublic forces fingering the scales?
You can’t imply voters are to blame for the parties ignoring their interests and admit other interests manipulate the system to serve their ends.
primary voters vote for the candidate. party elites might have their horse but if the voters go another way, then their horse still loses the race despite the advantage. an outsider candidate could win if they have the votes.
Yeah, just look at the DNC and Bernie. Clearly chosen by the voters and not at all manipulated by the party to get the result they wanted.
He lost the popular vote by more than 10%.
We’re you paying attention during the primaries? Everywhere pushed the narrative that he couldn’t beat Trump enough that people believed it and voted for Biden in the primaries.
You still believe the vote was rigged by the DNC after all these years? Holy shit.
Do you have any idea how influential media is? When you have MSNBC and CNN plus various others talking about how Biden is the only viable option again and again and again, you can’t ignore the influence of that. He won South Carolina after the endorsement of a very popular and influential corporate Democrat there. The media along with the DNC saw that as the opportunity to rally around Biden. Everyone drops out and endorses him, and there you go. I’m oversimplifying a bit for the sake of brevity, obviously, but bottom line, Biden was chosen and supported to defeat Bernie because they couldn’t accept the possibility of a politician like Bernie winning. He was a threat to capital and he was extinguished from the race.
Not to mention the DNC leaked information and ways to sabotage him (ex. Trying to use that he was Jewish against him$
They’ve literally fucking admitted to it and apologised, and you still eat the Lib propaganda that he lost fairly?
Name calling isn’t really in the spirit of this instance. You can argue and still be nice.
Oh joy the reddit moral prude police have found the place.
Please protect my delicate ears from the naughty words!
I don’t care about your language, but I do care about how you interact with other users. Be civil.
Does the word superdelegate mean nothing to you?
It just factually is rigged as long as the system is in place.
Superdelegates serve a valid purpose. If the Republican party had them we might not have been subjected to four years of Trump.
unfortunately, he wasn’t chosen by voters when it came to actual primary votes.
@hihusio @trashhalo @sin_free_for_00_days
Trump saying that the election was stolen in 2020 (rehashing a lie from before 2016 election that if doesn’t win it is fraud)
Big Lie: Hillary Clinton is assured to win. Next Big Lie: HRC lost only because of Russians, Susan Sarandon, and Bernie Sanders (ignore the 40 rallies he did to GOTV)
Next Big Lie: Only moderate corporatists could beat Trump, Biden winning 5 states by a margin of victory of less than 100k votes must be ignored
It’s hilarious that you actually believe that.
I believe the vote counts, yes.
Life is only getting worse for pretty much everyone, all the time, so yeah, that makes sense.
But will they all have a unified vote in the preliminaries?
Please for the love of god let them both just fuck off and retire already
It shouldn’t be shocking that most people want someone better.
I’d also prefer Trump’s name never be on a ballot.
And this is an example of why we need to get rid of first past the post.
Well there already almost a dozen republican candidates, we just need to collectively back one or two that aren’t Trump. Does anyone have any thoughts on William Hurd who just announced? I don’t know much about him.
Are there any promising Democrats that are running against Biden?
@furrious09 @trashhalo
Marianne Williamson, and to a lesser extent RFK Jr are going to be ignored by outlets with the biggest audiences. If the gestalt of the Democratic Establishment is that there’s no primary, the MSM isn’t going to do a thing for candidates running against Biden from the left. Williamson polls at 5%-9% and RFK 10%-15% yet MSM will give all the coverage to GOP candidates who are polling under 3% and not Dem challengers.
The media definitely won’t help, but both of them are pretty weak contenders either way.
RFK Jr. is a strident antivaxxer, which is a nonstarter for many people, especially those that vote in Democratic primaries. A good chunk of his press is arguably off the back of the Kennedy name, rather than the merits of his policies.
Williamson is (or at least was) a self-help guru, which could cause people to see her as untrustworthy. And unlike RFK, she doesn’t have a political career or established name to draw on, just vaguely progressive “vibes”.
I don’t think a more established figure like Sanders would be doing well in the polls right now, either. We’re a year out from the actual primaries, people’s thoughts on them are vague, and they’re more likely to just go with the default of Biden if asked. But RFK and Williamson don’t have particularly strong cases beyond being non-Biden choices.
@catcarlson an actual elected official would be unpersoned by the media, and that’s a known threat that anyone else but Williamson and RFK Jr would happen - if Al Gore (5 years Biden’s junior) were to throw his hat into the ring he’d be blamed for everything including the fortune that he’s gotten from Occidental Petroleum or from MBS via al Jareeza buying his Current TV, and every skeleton in his closet to ruin his reputation.
The Democratic Party is wholly undemocratic I it’s top-down ways
I guess you could argue that Williamson is coming from the left, but RFK sure as heck isn’t.
We aren’t missing out on the next great president between those two if the MSM isn’t covering them as serious candidates, because the truth is they aren’t.
I don’t see how this is a particularly meaningful finding. Republicans hate Biden, and Democrats loathe Trump, so it’s unlikely ANYONE on either side would be hoping for a rematch.