Too bad for your little pet issue of denying this easily confirmed fact, for some reason, Aniki of lemm.ee, favored instance of people with suspiciously fascistic takes, that they used Le Monde as their source instead of just making the numbers up.
This is just going blow to the top of your skull right off, but Israel’s genocidal actions finally meeting broad disapproval can embolden actual anti-semites just as easily as having a Hitler quoting former American president or open neo-Nazi and fascist parties gaining seats in major legislatures.
Man, it’d be wild if all these things were happening at once, huh?
You might see a rise in hate crimes against random, uninvolved Jewish people in different countries or something.
Did some PR firm buy all of these different independent organizations and journalists - or are you just using a variety of the old antisemitic accusation of a Jewish controlled press and institutions?
Are you going to deny all of this evidence? Don’t you think that many so-called “pro-Palestinian” protests just happen to be staged in Jewish quarters by coincidence?
The first “pro-Palestine” protests were on October 7, before even the first Israeli bomb had been bombed in response, as terrorists were still busy slaughtering civilians in Israel:
No. I’m honestly trying to educate, even though I’m absolutely disgusted by your comments. None of what I wrote is inaccurate and by my own standards, this is not a very long comment either. If that’s too much reading for you to the point that you feel overwhelmed, then that’s your problem and I hope that at least someone else can get some use out of it.
Do you have any actual arguments or are you just going to hide behind this platitude? Imagine having the audacity to tell Jews that the hatred, discrimination and violence they are experience isn’t real. Would you do the same with POC or LGBTQ+ people? Deny their suffering outright, because it doesn’t fit into your narrative?
[Not a criticism of your point, but I think you did get trolled into a gish gallop. First take a breath… then use bullet points, don’t cut your own argument to pieces with interspersed links, keep the references as references to strengthen the argument, try not to make it too personal]
The thing is that Israel is currently engaging in genocide, and claims to be doing it in the name of Jews everywhere. The same way anti-Muslim sentiment increased in response to Muslim terrorism, antisemitism rises when people use that religion as a justification for killing people.
Just to be clear, the current wave of antisemitism is not justified, it’s a bad eye-for-an-eye thought process, but people are stupid and people are outraged with the genocide Israel is doing. It’s the same line of thought as ACAB; if local Jewish communities also condemn genocide, why are they not publicly and harshly denouncing Israel for it?
In order for this not to happen, Israel would either have to stop claiming to be the representative of Jewish people worldwide, or stop engaging in genocide.
It’s the same line of thought as ACAB; if local Jewish communities also condemn genocide, why are they not publicly and harshly denouncing Israel for it?
Except it’s possible to be Jewish without supporting Israel, but not possible to be a cop without supporting the police as a social institution.
Did you look at the sources for that? The ADL are known propagandists. Also the numbers in France and Germany per population are so statistically insignificant that the number of dead 5 year olds in Gaza since October is 10x the numbers of people who got yelled at for being a Jew.
The RIAS group said it recorded 994 incidents, which is an average of 29 incidents per day and an increase of 320% compared to the same time period in 2022. The group looked at the time period from Oct. 7 to Nov. 9.
There are 84 million people in Germany. What a SURGE! Also I would love to know what an incident is. Someone yell something anti-Israel most likely, which I don’t give a flying fuck about. Where are the assaults, murders, rape, genocide, imprisonment, internment, displacement?
I agree this is propaganda but it can also be true, in fact there are many other sources telling more or less the same worldwide.
A lot of propaganda is true, just half the truth, telling the good things of this side and bad things of the other. I would say there’s no news just propaganda, everyone putting out a piece of information (be it state or private owned media, independent sources, a blog, a post or a stream on social media…) does it with the intention of getting people to think a certain way.
This isn’t Israeli propaganda, it’s just journalism. Times of Israel isn’t a government outlet and the rise in global antisemitism and violence against Jews is undeniable.
It’s propaganda, but maybe not for the reason you think.
Zionism actually wants Jews from all over the world to flee to Israel (and populate the land, and get more “settlers”, and more army reservists “in training”, and so on).
Amazing that I can live in the country and hear nothing about this. I’ve just read the Guardian article and I guess not living in Paris or another major city might be one of the reasons.
Not sure if it’s still holding true, but from my travels around France a couple decades ago, I got the distinct impression that there were like “two Frances”: Paris, and the rest.
From all the news about civil unrest and stuff, it would seem like Paris has got even more of a separate vibe in that time.
I feel for anyone who feels unsafe in their homes and communities. I can’t imagine the weight of the decision to uproot yourself and your family to emigrate to another country for reasons beyond your control, especially discrimination.
It’s worth noting, though, that this article seemingly goes out of its way to obfuscate what qualifies as anti-semitic acts.
"This kind of expression is no longer coming only from the extreme right, but also by the far left — and while it’s doubtful that it’s always antisemitic, anyone sensitive can feel that it’s never far away in certain discourse,” warns Wieviorka.
Palestinian solidarity is not anti-semitism, and there are abundant indicators (from this article and its links) they’re being conflated in France.
It “stems” from a deliberate effort to conflate them by the likes of the ADL .
Your article itself says:
Police now believe this was a Russian-inspired destabilisation operation rather than a home-grown intimidation campaign.
Your article itself also says that the police are the source for this assertion, and goes on to say
In June, the fatal police shooting of a 17-year-old driver of Moroccan and Algerian descent in a Paris suburb sparked almost two weeks of riots across the country in which schools, buses and police stations were torched, shops looted, mayors assaulted and police attacked in nightly clashes. The violence, which did not specifically target Jews, was fuelled by widespread resentment of perceived police racism.
And if that weren’t enough, it’s already demonstrated that expressing support for Palestine is being conflated with antisemitism.
The government initially banned pro-Palestinian demonstrations
So the government bans support for Palestine, the police enforce that ban, and the police say antisemitism is rising among young Muslims.
All this from the same article, that you posted. Very weak sauce.
All your sources rely on the same primary source: the interior ministry. And I don’t see a breakdown of the acts. In a number of articles, graffiti of stars of David across buildings in France was categorized as anti-Semitic, which seems really weird to me because they weren’t defaced or altered in any way, just stars of David. On its face I would think that was…pro-semitic.
Either way, I’m not denying there has been an uptick in anti-Semitism and that any and all anti-semitism is indefensible. But there also seems to be a deliberate effort to embellish the narrative by treating anti-Israeli or pro-Paletinian acts as anti-Semitic. Then people react to that narrative with fear, and their fear is used to further credit the narrative.
The insidious part is that these stories treat the narrative as support for Israel’s ongoing aggression.
Yeah, that’s fair, I did not have that context originally. I should have quoted the article I linked, because the salient parts point out that it was strange the graffiti evoked the Israeli flag, which I had noticed originally:
Also the message in the medium was confusing. Conceivably a blue Israeli flag, or what immediately evokes it, could be seen as a pro-Jewish sign. Surely any genuine antisemite would have found a clearer way of expressing their hate.
I’m inclined to agree with the BBC’s conclusion:
As for the purpose of Operation Star of David, like all dezinformatsiya it seems to have been to sow confusion and anxiety. The fact that the symbol could be either pro- or anti-Israeli made it all the more interesting: that way both sides would be suspicious.
I notice the Times of Israel doesn’t consider this months-old information when continuing to reference it as evidence of anti-semitism.
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Antisemitism isn’t soaring. The world is waking up to Israels crimes and they are screaming from every PR firm they can buy about racism.
Too bad for your little pet issue of denying this easily confirmed fact, for some reason, Aniki of lemm.ee, favored instance of people with suspiciously fascistic takes, that they used Le Monde as their source instead of just making the numbers up.
This is just going blow to the top of your skull right off, but Israel’s genocidal actions finally meeting broad disapproval can embolden actual anti-semites just as easily as having a Hitler quoting former American president or open neo-Nazi and fascist parties gaining seats in major legislatures.
Man, it’d be wild if all these things were happening at once, huh?
You might see a rise in hate crimes against random, uninvolved Jewish people in different countries or something.
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I would remind you that you are a guest here. People do not come to Beehaw for ad hominems.
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What’s this then?
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2023/nov/03/record-number-hate-incidents-british-jews-reported-hamas-attacks
And this?
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/absolutely-appalling-a-new-wave-of-anti-semitism-sweeps-across-germany-a-50e18e6a-03ae-4ea5-99ec-6d0c8753558a
And this?
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/statement_23_5527
Did some PR firm buy all of these different independent organizations and journalists - or are you just using a variety of the old antisemitic accusation of a Jewish controlled press and institutions?
Are you going to deny all of this evidence? Don’t you think that many so-called “pro-Palestinian” protests just happen to be staged in Jewish quarters by coincidence?
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/pro-palestinian-blockades-are-now-just-actively-targeting-jewish-neighbourhoods
https://nltimes.nl/2023/10/10/pro-palestinian-march-faces-backlash-route-amsterdam-jewish-quarter
Do you think there’s nothing to the fact that Jews are routinely harassed at these protests?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-67328715
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/31/politics/antisemitism-unstable-world-analysis/index.html
Tell me what a Jewish restaurant has to do with the state of Israel:
https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/pro-palestinian-rally-center-city-philadelphia-targets-jewish-restaurant-goldie/
These people heard rumors of Jews on a plane and wanted to kill them:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67258332
The first “pro-Palestine” protests were on October 7, before even the first Israeli bomb had been bombed in response, as terrorists were still busy slaughtering civilians in Israel:
https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-some-in-toronto-celebrating-mass-murder-of-israelis-as-death-toll-mounts
The BDS movement put out a statement that celebrated the murder of Israeli civilians:
https://i.imgur.com/pXwABqt.jpg
And so on and so forth.
Explain to me why you are denying the rise in global antisemitism. Why are you denying facts?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
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No. I’m honestly trying to educate, even though I’m absolutely disgusted by your comments. None of what I wrote is inaccurate and by my own standards, this is not a very long comment either. If that’s too much reading for you to the point that you feel overwhelmed, then that’s your problem and I hope that at least someone else can get some use out of it.
Do you have any actual arguments or are you just going to hide behind this platitude? Imagine having the audacity to tell Jews that the hatred, discrimination and violence they are experience isn’t real. Would you do the same with POC or LGBTQ+ people? Deny their suffering outright, because it doesn’t fit into your narrative?
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[Not a criticism of your point, but I think you did get trolled into a gish gallop. First take a breath… then use bullet points, don’t cut your own argument to pieces with interspersed links, keep the references as references to strengthen the argument, try not to make it too personal]
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The thing is that Israel is currently engaging in genocide, and claims to be doing it in the name of Jews everywhere. The same way anti-Muslim sentiment increased in response to Muslim terrorism, antisemitism rises when people use that religion as a justification for killing people.
Just to be clear, the current wave of antisemitism is not justified, it’s a bad eye-for-an-eye thought process, but people are stupid and people are outraged with the genocide Israel is doing. It’s the same line of thought as ACAB; if local Jewish communities also condemn genocide, why are they not publicly and harshly denouncing Israel for it?
In order for this not to happen, Israel would either have to stop claiming to be the representative of Jewish people worldwide, or stop engaging in genocide.
Except it’s possible to be Jewish without supporting Israel, but not possible to be a cop without supporting the police as a social institution.
Did you look at the sources for that? The ADL are known propagandists. Also the numbers in France and Germany per population are so statistically insignificant that the number of dead 5 year olds in Gaza since October is 10x the numbers of people who got yelled at for being a Jew.
There are 84 million people in Germany. What a SURGE! Also I would love to know what an incident is. Someone yell something anti-Israel most likely, which I don’t give a flying fuck about. Where are the assaults, murders, rape, genocide, imprisonment, internment, displacement?
So is every single Palestinian parent.
In France?
From “timesofisrael.com”
With all the propaganda from Israel, I can’t take any of this seriously
I agree this is propaganda but it can also be true, in fact there are many other sources telling more or less the same worldwide.
A lot of propaganda is true, just half the truth, telling the good things of this side and bad things of the other. I would say there’s no news just propaganda, everyone putting out a piece of information (be it state or private owned media, independent sources, a blog, a post or a stream on social media…) does it with the intention of getting people to think a certain way.
With so much going on in the world and so many different sources existing, I’m not giving two shits about Israeli propaganda
This isn’t Israeli propaganda, it’s just journalism. Times of Israel isn’t a government outlet and the rise in global antisemitism and violence against Jews is undeniable.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces
They also published this
It’s propaganda, but maybe not for the reason you think.
Zionism actually wants Jews from all over the world to flee to Israel (and populate the land, and get more “settlers”, and more army reservists “in training”, and so on).
Amazing that I can live in the country and hear nothing about this. I’ve just read the Guardian article and I guess not living in Paris or another major city might be one of the reasons.
Not sure if it’s still holding true, but from my travels around France a couple decades ago, I got the distinct impression that there were like “two Frances”: Paris, and the rest.
From all the news about civil unrest and stuff, it would seem like Paris has got even more of a separate vibe in that time.
I feel for anyone who feels unsafe in their homes and communities. I can’t imagine the weight of the decision to uproot yourself and your family to emigrate to another country for reasons beyond your control, especially discrimination.
It’s worth noting, though, that this article seemingly goes out of its way to obfuscate what qualifies as anti-semitic acts.
Palestinian solidarity is not anti-semitism, and there are abundant indicators (from this article and its links) they’re being conflated in France.
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It “stems” from a deliberate effort to conflate them by the likes of the ADL .
Your article itself says:
Your article itself also says that the police are the source for this assertion, and goes on to say
And if that weren’t enough, it’s already demonstrated that expressing support for Palestine is being conflated with antisemitism.
So the government bans support for Palestine, the police enforce that ban, and the police say antisemitism is rising among young Muslims.
All this from the same article, that you posted. Very weak sauce.
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All your sources rely on the same primary source: the interior ministry. And I don’t see a breakdown of the acts. In a number of articles, graffiti of stars of David across buildings in France was categorized as anti-Semitic, which seems really weird to me because they weren’t defaced or altered in any way, just stars of David. On its face I would think that was…pro-semitic.
Either way, I’m not denying there has been an uptick in anti-Semitism and that any and all anti-semitism is indefensible. But there also seems to be a deliberate effort to embellish the narrative by treating anti-Israeli or pro-Paletinian acts as anti-Semitic. Then people react to that narrative with fear, and their fear is used to further credit the narrative.
The insidious part is that these stories treat the narrative as support for Israel’s ongoing aggression.
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But that’s unlikely to be what happened here: BBC
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Yeah, that’s fair, I did not have that context originally. I should have quoted the article I linked, because the salient parts point out that it was strange the graffiti evoked the Israeli flag, which I had noticed originally:
I’m inclined to agree with the BBC’s conclusion:
I notice the Times of Israel doesn’t consider this months-old information when continuing to reference it as evidence of anti-semitism.