Funny, I seem to recall a bunch of bad actors larping as truckers blocking every single street in downtown Ottawa and blocking international borders obstructing trade. This wasn’t just a bunch of people with signs down on the corner that Trudeau didn’t like, they were intentionally stoking political fires and creating a national security issue. It was also shown that the “truckers” that didn’t want to get vaccinated got vaccinated in overwhelming numbers, even greater percentages than other industries due to the need to actually cross borders to do their job. The protestors were funded by American fascist groups.
It was perfectly legal. And those protestors asked for things like “no vaccine required to enter USA”, Trudeau had nothing to do with that. Those protestors then degenerated into various conspiracy, and basically wanted to remove Trudeau and put a dictator instead. It was almost a coup, not a “protest”.
No, according to the courts (one court), an emergency in one city does not meet the requirements for the Federal emergencies act, and didn’t take into account the negligence of the multiple layers of regional policing and government who refused to act.
Did you bother reading the ruling? The refusal of the city / province to act doesn’t equate to the inability of them to control the situation. The court definitely did account for that part.
I don’t know who you were talking to but I live in downtown Ottawa and it was absolutely a million times worse than any sporting event. I’m guessing your friends live in the suburbs, where the most they might have seen were some flag waving pickup trucks.
I was harassed the minute I walked out my door, there was literal shit covering the sidewalks, emergency vehicles blocked, businesses vandalised. The city basically shut down for 3-4 weeks. I know people who had to leave their homes to live with their family outside of downtown out of fear. People were physically attacked for wearing masks for fuck sakes.
Ottawa Police did absolutely nothing to stop it and Doug Ford declared a state of emergency but then pretended it wasn’t happening. The only thing that ended it all was the federal emergency act. I don’t like that it needed to be used either but the two lower levels of power completely failed
These idiots think because the CBC supports the story, and the government inquiry pulled the cop trick of investigating themselves and finding they did nothing wrong in a kangaroo court, including gov lawyers by the handful and the opposition not allowed to defend themselves, that when it hit a real courtroom, and was found in violation of the charter, the actual half assed independent judge was the one in the wrong, not the fucking cabal.
I don’t disagree politically bro, I disagree scientifically, and logically. Our government had a responsibility to remove you terrorists, they just did it a way that allows you twats to act like your oppressed.
You? I’m just a Yank who sees injustice. I don’t know anything about it other than a person in power froze the people’s bank account of some of its citizens and that’s wild asf. If they were Nazis I wasn’t aware but it’s still not okay to take money someone earned. Make a law that fines Nazis if you have to but don’t just freeze people’s bank accounts, that’s fucked up.
Most frozen accounts were organizers and people who were receiving money from others to continue with their “protests” or people espousing violent rhetoric. If you just believe the ticktoks you’re never going to see reality. These fucking idiots are still protesting all over our country, afraid of digital IDs ,vaccines, demanding mandates be dropped, people be rehired. Like dude they crazy and don’t mesh well with reality.
The antivax cowards had many peaceful protests previously without issue. They weren’t getting their demands met because their demands were idiotic.
So they escalated to disrupting the functioning of the government. Using psyops tactics against civilians. Harrassing civilians. Disrupting emergency services.
And for what? It wasn’t to increase awareness of covid restrictions. These restrictions were placed on the entire population, we were all aware of them. No it was an attempt to affect a change using extortion. Changes contrary to the democratic will of the country.
Since you love the slippery slope fallacies, consider the slope in the other direction. If an organized crime outfit used intimidation tactics to get their way, could they declare it as a “protest” and get off scot free? Where do you draw the line in that direction?
“Slippery slope is a logical fallacy” is a phrase parroted by people who usually don’t understand why it can sometimes be a logical fallacy. And sometimes not. You can’t just say “Slippery slope is a logical fallacy” and then follow up with “Some motherfuckers always trying to ice skate uphill”. Everything you said is deliberately disingenuous and not a good faith argument, and that’s either intentional or you’re not capable of better,
Not commenting on the argument, but just FYI: “Slippery Slope” actually refers to an argument that could include a slippery slope fallacy, but not necessarily. A slippery slope fallacy is an informal fallacy, meaning that any errors are in the content and not the format of the argument (i.e. the slippery slope argument itself).
Only if you’re an idiot that compares the attempted genocide of a people to a leader ensuring trade routes remain open for businesses and a city’s residents aren’t traumatized by racist children that like to make noise.
OK then the statement loses it’s impact considering he won’t say a word against the Americans and the Assange thing. Never mind his various other large and small hypocrisies.
Assange represents a threat to Canada as much as he represents a threat to the US. Trudeau isn’t going to criticize the American response to Assange anyway, because our governments agree that our secrets are cooler than enemy secrets.
Wellll no. Shut up. That’s just additional whataboutisms. You didn’t add anything new to the dialogue refuting my statement. So shut the fuck up and stop diminishing the little bit of good. You have ample spaces to rant about everything that sucks.
The Emergencies Act, formerly the War Measures Act, is literally designed to suspend certain rights and freedoms during a national emergency. The only ever time it was used was during the FLQ crisis when politicians were being kidnapped and murdered.
You need to understand that the only thing that guarantees you your rights and freedoms is a piece of paper.
Are you talking about those antivax pieces of garbage who harassed homeless people and local businesses because another country wouldn’t let them across their border?
Yes, I’m not aware of another one? EDIT (For those that’ve only seen the movies, there’s a lot of discussion of propaganda and governance in the novel, it’s not an “action novel” like in the show, it’s a commentary on fascism among other things)
Do you think it’s wrong to freeze the bank accounts of members of al Qaeda?
What’s the distinction between a member of al Qaeda and a Nazi? Both are foreign groups that use violence to get their way. Both groups are considered enemies of Canada.
Should members of al Qaeda be allowed to do as they please in Canada because “they just have different ideals?”
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The statement kinda loses it’s impact once you realize it’s coming from a leader who illegally broke up a protest against himself and his government
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@northmaple1984 @sik0fewl your statement kinda loses its impact when you realise he didn’t do what you described.
https://canlii.ca/t/k2d9l
Courts disagree
@northmaple1984 One judge, to be appealed ≠ “courts”
Funny, I seem to recall a bunch of bad actors larping as truckers blocking every single street in downtown Ottawa and blocking international borders obstructing trade. This wasn’t just a bunch of people with signs down on the corner that Trudeau didn’t like, they were intentionally stoking political fires and creating a national security issue. It was also shown that the “truckers” that didn’t want to get vaccinated got vaccinated in overwhelming numbers, even greater percentages than other industries due to the need to actually cross borders to do their job. The protestors were funded by American fascist groups.
It took weeks of inaction from Ford and the Ottawa police before Trudeau finally had to act to restore order.
It’s pretty telling that you don’t say what protest you’re talking about. Is it the stupid truckers?
Which other protests ended with the federal government illegally using the Emergency Act?
It was perfectly legal. And those protestors asked for things like “no vaccine required to enter USA”, Trudeau had nothing to do with that. Those protestors then degenerated into various conspiracy, and basically wanted to remove Trudeau and put a dictator instead. It was almost a coup, not a “protest”.
I LOLed so hard when I heard their demands were the removal of our elected representatives to be replaced with THEMSELVES
That protest wasn’t against Trudeau, it was against common sense.
We’re talking about someone will the IQ and memory capacity of a goldfish
Hey now, don’t be giving goldfish a bad name now - some have good memory capacity
https://www.livescience.com/goldfish-memory.html
Nothing more to say, just wanting to stand up for goldfish is all.
He’s not perfect but let’s see Russians drive around with “fuck putin” on their truck and see how long that works out for them.
@can @northmaple1984
“Canada’s a free country! I can drive around with a ‘[BLEEP] Trudeau’ bumper sticker any time I want!”
“Ah, but Russia is *also* a free country. I *too* can drive around with a ‘[BLEEP] Trudeau’ bumper sticker any time I want.”
(Thank you, Soviet Anecdote Formula Number 46!)
Peaceful protest it was not.
According to the courts it did not meet the standard of violence required.
So you agree it was violent and not peaceful? Lol whoops.
In a world where some consider mean words and minor action as violent, yes it was.
Lol means words and “minor action” it was not. Well we can see you for what you are, trying to downplay reality. Cheers.
No, according to the courts (one court), an emergency in one city does not meet the requirements for the Federal emergencies act, and didn’t take into account the negligence of the multiple layers of regional policing and government who refused to act.
Did you bother reading the ruling? The refusal of the city / province to act doesn’t equate to the inability of them to control the situation. The court definitely did account for that part.
A city under siege with no police protection is an emergency, full stop.
Lol, I know people that live in the area and they’ve said it wasn’t worse than what happens during major sporting events.
I don’t know who you were talking to but I live in downtown Ottawa and it was absolutely a million times worse than any sporting event. I’m guessing your friends live in the suburbs, where the most they might have seen were some flag waving pickup trucks.
I was harassed the minute I walked out my door, there was literal shit covering the sidewalks, emergency vehicles blocked, businesses vandalised. The city basically shut down for 3-4 weeks. I know people who had to leave their homes to live with their family outside of downtown out of fear. People were physically attacked for wearing masks for fuck sakes.
Ottawa Police did absolutely nothing to stop it and Doug Ford declared a state of emergency but then pretended it wasn’t happening. The only thing that ended it all was the federal emergency act. I don’t like that it needed to be used either but the two lower levels of power completely failed
He’s just denying reality at this point.
Failing and not putting forth adequate effort are two very different things and is something discussed thoroughly in the court ruling.
Lol.
There aren’t even any major sporting venues in that area.
The people who you “know” clearly do not live in the area.
Doesn’t make it illegal bud. Learn how our system works before opening your COVID riddled mouth.
If it wasn’t illegal then the government wouldn’t have lost the court case.
These idiots think because the CBC supports the story, and the government inquiry pulled the cop trick of investigating themselves and finding they did nothing wrong in a kangaroo court, including gov lawyers by the handful and the opposition not allowed to defend themselves, that when it hit a real courtroom, and was found in violation of the charter, the actual half assed independent judge was the one in the wrong, not the fucking cabal.
Why tf does it matter what the protests were about? You disagree politically so it’s okay for the government to do that? That’s a slippery slope.
I don’t disagree politically bro, I disagree scientifically, and logically. Our government had a responsibility to remove you terrorists, they just did it a way that allows you twats to act like your oppressed.
You? I’m just a Yank who sees injustice. I don’t know anything about it other than a person in power froze the people’s bank account of some of its citizens and that’s wild asf. If they were Nazis I wasn’t aware but it’s still not okay to take money someone earned. Make a law that fines Nazis if you have to but don’t just freeze people’s bank accounts, that’s fucked up.
It’s always the people who weren’t there who continue to push the idea that it was a peaceful protest.
Why is this a reply to me? I never mentioned anything about peaceful protesting.
Most frozen accounts were organizers and people who were receiving money from others to continue with their “protests” or people espousing violent rhetoric. If you just believe the ticktoks you’re never going to see reality. These fucking idiots are still protesting all over our country, afraid of digital IDs ,vaccines, demanding mandates be dropped, people be rehired. Like dude they crazy and don’t mesh well with reality.
So let the idiots yell, don’t stop them from being able to pay for necessities.
“Slippery slope” is a logical fallacy.
The antivax cowards had many peaceful protests previously without issue. They weren’t getting their demands met because their demands were idiotic.
So they escalated to disrupting the functioning of the government. Using psyops tactics against civilians. Harrassing civilians. Disrupting emergency services.
And for what? It wasn’t to increase awareness of covid restrictions. These restrictions were placed on the entire population, we were all aware of them. No it was an attempt to affect a change using extortion. Changes contrary to the democratic will of the country.
Since you love the slippery slope fallacies, consider the slope in the other direction. If an organized crime outfit used intimidation tactics to get their way, could they declare it as a “protest” and get off scot free? Where do you draw the line in that direction?
“Slippery slope is a logical fallacy” is a phrase parroted by people who usually don’t understand why it can sometimes be a logical fallacy. And sometimes not. You can’t just say “Slippery slope is a logical fallacy” and then follow up with “Some motherfuckers always trying to ice skate uphill”. Everything you said is deliberately disingenuous and not a good faith argument, and that’s either intentional or you’re not capable of better,
Not commenting on the argument, but just FYI: “Slippery Slope” actually refers to an argument that could include a slippery slope fallacy, but not necessarily. A slippery slope fallacy is an informal fallacy, meaning that any errors are in the content and not the format of the argument (i.e. the slippery slope argument itself).
He either knows that, or it was on that list of logical fallacies he read the names of and thinks you can just say “Slippery Slope” and win.
Only if you’re an idiot that compares the attempted genocide of a people to a leader ensuring trade routes remain open for businesses and a city’s residents aren’t traumatized by racist children that like to make noise.
Countries can be going through their own struggles and stand against foreign tyranny at the same time.
OK then the statement loses it’s impact considering he won’t say a word against the Americans and the Assange thing. Never mind his various other large and small hypocrisies.
Assange represents a threat to Canada as much as he represents a threat to the US. Trudeau isn’t going to criticize the American response to Assange anyway, because our governments agree that our secrets are cooler than enemy secrets.
Lick dem boots
Wellll no. Shut up. That’s just additional whataboutisms. You didn’t add anything new to the dialogue refuting my statement. So shut the fuck up and stop diminishing the little bit of good. You have ample spaces to rant about everything that sucks.
You’re praising a lying fuck for being a massive hypocrite, so no, you shut up.
There’s a difference between illegal and not meeting a standard to use a policy.
Also y’all weren’t protesting him you were protesting people with brains.
Yeah…a policy that sidesteps the charter of rights and freedoms. Quit being disingenuous.
The Emergencies Act, formerly the War Measures Act, is literally designed to suspend certain rights and freedoms during a national emergency. The only ever time it was used was during the FLQ crisis when politicians were being kidnapped and murdered.
You need to understand that the only thing that guarantees you your rights and freedoms is a piece of paper.
Used twice and I think you responded to the wrong person.
@northmaple1984 @sik0fewl
Oh, F off.
Are you talking about those antivax pieces of garbage who harassed homeless people and local businesses because another country wouldn’t let them across their border?
No we’re talking about no nothing morons believe everything they see on CTV
It’s never okay for a government to freeze it’s citizens bank accounts. Let alone for political reasons, that’s fascist as fuck.
Ahh, good ol’ right wingers using words they don’t understand to make arguments they don’t fully comprehend.
I’m not a right winger
I think people with swastikas on their flags are usually considered fascist.
Maybe look into the paradox of tolerance.
Read DUNE and quit parroting what they want you to say.
Wait, by Frank Herbert? Or…
Yes, I’m not aware of another one? EDIT (For those that’ve only seen the movies, there’s a lot of discussion of propaganda and governance in the novel, it’s not an “action novel” like in the show, it’s a commentary on fascism among other things)
I’ve read the book. Was still confused, but could kinda see how that could be what you meant
Make a fine for people who support nazi ideals. Don’t stop people from being able to pay for food with money they already earned.
Do you think it’s wrong to freeze the bank accounts of members of al Qaeda?
What’s the distinction between a member of al Qaeda and a Nazi? Both are foreign groups that use violence to get their way. Both groups are considered enemies of Canada.
Should members of al Qaeda be allowed to do as they please in Canada because “they just have different ideals?”
If a member of al Qaeda has a legal job that he gets paid for, he should be allowed to have the money he earned. Money for work is so basic.
Strawman detected. Citizens protesting is not the same thing as foreign terrorists doing whatever.
Are you Canadian?
If you are you should be able to understand how a minority government can not be fascist.
…Fucking are you ? Jesus. Complete lack of understanding of how a parliament works on display.
Are you telling me a minority government has unlimited power?
(Looks at recent parliamentary history) Apparently when they have a deal with a spineless goof, yes.
Okay four hour old account with seventeen comments.
Ok man with nothing of substance to say
Aka the Karen konvoy
lol WHAT ABOUT the time Trudy cucked the Ottawa police when they couldn’t perform