Just got an email thanking me for being a 5-node/free user, but Portainer isn’t free and I need to stop being a cheap-ass and pay them because blah blah economic times enshittification blah blah blah.
I’ve moved off them a while ago, but figured I’d see if they emailed EVERYONE about this?
A good time to ditch them if you haven’t, I suppose.
I recently switched to Dockge and it suites my needs. I like some aspects of Dockge better, but I like the network and image management features of portainer.
Being a terminal purist is wonderful for those of us who live our lives deep in the caverns of Linux, but in actual production use you very often find situations where less technical users have to interact with the systems that we build.
For my work, I need a way for low level tech support and technicians to go in and restart a container from time to time, and these people curl up in a ball and scream if you show them a command prompt. Having a UI removes a lot of friction.
Beautifully said. I can’t say I’ve come across too many GUI purists, but I’ve definitely been shamed by terminal absolutists who are fine with turning a 1 second process into a 10 second one. There’s a time and place for both.
Wtf at y’all talking about, it’s usually way faster to do these things in terminal. I guarantee I can restart a docker container faster with a terminal then you can with a browser.
Alt+enter brings up a terminal, then I type literally “ssh server” and I’m ssh’d into the box. ‘sudo docker restart containername’ and the password and I’m done before Firefox even loads for your dumbass and I didn’t even have to lift my hands from the keyboard. And for common and repeatable tasks there are these things called aliases and the ability to chain commands. I can condense all of that to a single command. Lmao. GUI plebs are so annoying with their ignorance
Wow, you’re an ass. I bet I could update a dual monitor setup with different resolutions, refresh rates and positions with nvidia-settings faster than you can editing xorg.conf in vim. My point is that people should use the best tool for the job instead of stroking their superiority complex to prove a point.
slackware has been my daily driver since the late 90s. It still boots to CLI by default. I’m more than comfortable in a terminal emulator. I’m also fine with clicking on stuff. I don’t use portainer, but there’s nothing wrong with people who do.
You obviously don’t know your way around a terminal at all… I guarantee I can do anything faster in terminal than you can in a GUI. Especially for repeatable tasks like restarting a container.
I‘m fine with paying because I‘m starting a business. But I‘m not fine with tracking the payments so I will donate a set percentage of my profits (once I have them) to an open source group, no idea which one yet. The rest is not my problem.
I didn’t get the email and have the 5 node free business plan, but cant see the home/student price on the site. I guess it time to look at switching to dockge or something
Does anyone know if dockge allows you to directly connect to a git repo to pull compose files?
This is what I like most about portainer. I work in the compose files from an IDE and the check them into my self hosted git repo.
Then on portainer, the stack is connected to the repo so only press a button to pull the latest compose and there is a check box to decide if I want the docker image to update or not.
Works really well and makes it very easy to roll back if needed.
I personally never understood the need for fancy docker guis. You can do that from the command line easily. If you want to automate it you can use Ansible.
I used portainer only as fancy docker dashboard and to start stop services. It was buggy and even with the git implementation really frustrating to use. Also that they do not store the compose files is simply not ok.
Portainer does store compose files though? I’ve manually used docker compose commands from the folders Portainer saves them in. They’re labeled with numbers instead of project names which makes it difficult to know which one you’re looking for, but I use rga so that wasn’t as much of an issue for me as it would have been otherwise. It was tedious, but the compose files very much exist on your hard drive.
Yes i am aware,i commented on another post. The problem is that interacting with those directly messes things up. I want a panel that allows me to use cli and gui at the same time without breaking things.
The complete and utter lack of a mobile friendly interface is beyond frustrating. No android, i don’t want you to snap zoom to the search bar every fucking time i go to my stacks page!?
Oh yeah, sorry i know. Was too lazy to type it out. They number the created compose files in numbered directories instead of naming it after the stack.
The problem is, that they do not support at all the direct modification of those files and the abstraction of numbering them instead of giving them real names is annoying when you want to start them via cli.
I love Dockge.
Have also replaced Portainer with it.
But I hate that I can’t just restart a single container easily with it.
It’s a small enough issue since most of the time I need to restart the entire compose file because of dependencies, but still.
Yeah that’s usually what I do on a computer. But I didn’t have easy access to a computer, so I manage my server from my phone. So ssh is usually easier lol
I guess I’m complaining that it isn’t already there, but honestly I love Dockge. Won’t be going back to Portainer. Pretty much since the beginning I’ve been using compose files, and it always bugged me how Portainer handled them.
Dockge is what I’ve always wanted, tbh. Just some QoL stuff here and there, but I’m very happy with it :)
So dumb. How many hobbyists will pay that? A tiny fraction. Then in 4-5 years these guys will be sitting around wondering why their new business customer numbers fell off a cliff.
Don’t bite the hand that proselytizes for you at the office.
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This is why I never got into portainer
Wait.
Does Portainer ask your email? I haven’t used it in years. I though it was just a container that you run, with mounted docker socket, and that’s it.
Is it now doing some “telemetry” and sending user data, like email, to their servers? If so, I’m glad I’m not using that anymore.
Got one aswell, i have used their free 5 node business option but since switched over to dockge and I’m happy
Ofc portainer does so much more but I just don’t need it anymore
I recently switched to Dockge and it suites my needs. I like some aspects of Dockge better, but I like the network and image management features of portainer.
Yeah, network and image management is what I miss most
I’ve never really seen why portainer is used beyond a shiny UI. Docker compose file is enough for me
Being a terminal purist is wonderful for those of us who live our lives deep in the caverns of Linux, but in actual production use you very often find situations where less technical users have to interact with the systems that we build.
For my work, I need a way for low level tech support and technicians to go in and restart a container from time to time, and these people curl up in a ball and scream if you show them a command prompt. Having a UI removes a lot of friction.
Terminals are powerful and flexible, but still slower than a dedicated UI to see states at a glance, issue routine commands, or do text editing.
Terminal absolutists are as insufferable as GUI purists. There is a place and time for both.
Beautifully said. I can’t say I’ve come across too many GUI purists, but I’ve definitely been shamed by terminal absolutists who are fine with turning a 1 second process into a 10 second one. There’s a time and place for both.
See also: bass players who use a pick.
Wtf at y’all talking about, it’s usually way faster to do these things in terminal. I guarantee I can restart a docker container faster with a terminal then you can with a browser.
Alt+enter brings up a terminal, then I type literally “ssh server” and I’m ssh’d into the box. ‘sudo docker restart containername’ and the password and I’m done before Firefox even loads for your dumbass and I didn’t even have to lift my hands from the keyboard. And for common and repeatable tasks there are these things called aliases and the ability to chain commands. I can condense all of that to a single command. Lmao. GUI plebs are so annoying with their ignorance
Wow, you’re an ass. I bet I could update a dual monitor setup with different resolutions, refresh rates and positions with nvidia-settings faster than you can editing xorg.conf in vim. My point is that people should use the best tool for the job instead of stroking their superiority complex to prove a point.
slackware has been my daily driver since the late 90s. It still boots to CLI by default. I’m more than comfortable in a terminal emulator. I’m also fine with clicking on stuff. I don’t use portainer, but there’s nothing wrong with people who do.
That’s what aliases / functions in .bashrc (or whatever shell you use) are for. You don’t need to always write the full code.
EDIT: Looks like .bashrc hurt you guys.
These fools are ridiculous. Ignorance.
I open up two terminal windows. The first runs watch docker ps and the second is where I make changes.
You obviously don’t know your way around a terminal at all… I guarantee I can do anything faster in terminal than you can in a GUI. Especially for repeatable tasks like restarting a container.
I’ve been screwing around with yacht.sh as an open source alternative. It’s aight.
seems to have issues with chrome on a macBook; more reason to move to firefox?
Pretty much, yeah.
Yes, I got it too. $ 149/yr for a “home and student” noncommercial license? No thanks.
But for businesses, the pricing seems fair.
I didn’t even bother to look since, well, I just moved to compose files sitting in a folder instead but uh, $150? Seriously?
That’d be the most expensive bit of all of my stacks, including hosting and power costs.
At least for my personal use, I’m not willing to spend money on portainer. The free edition is fine.
I‘m fine with paying because I‘m starting a business. But I‘m not fine with tracking the payments so I will donate a set percentage of my profits (once I have them) to an open source group, no idea which one yet. The rest is not my problem.
I didn’t get the email and have the 5 node free business plan, but cant see the home/student price on the site. I guess it time to look at switching to dockge or something
As long as Portainer CE will be free, I’ll stick with it.
Same here, it’s totally sufficient and never saw the reason to “upgrade” to the free business nodes
I use portainer, but I don’t think I ever gave them my information. How would they even have my email?
If you register for a free 5-node license, you have to enter your contact data.
Are you using portainer-ee? Never had to do that using portainer-ce
yes
Does anyone know if dockge allows you to directly connect to a git repo to pull compose files?
This is what I like most about portainer. I work in the compose files from an IDE and the check them into my self hosted git repo.
Then on portainer, the stack is connected to the repo so only press a button to pull the latest compose and there is a check box to decide if I want the docker image to update or not.
Works really well and makes it very easy to roll back if needed.
I personally never understood the need for fancy docker guis. You can do that from the command line easily. If you want to automate it you can use Ansible.
No, but it is designed that way that you can simply point dockge to the local cloned repo. Then you simply have to git pull and your done.
I used portainer only as fancy docker dashboard and to start stop services. It was buggy and even with the git implementation really frustrating to use. Also that they do not store the compose files is simply not ok.
Dockge fully replaced portainer for my needs.
Portainer does store compose files though? I’ve manually used docker compose commands from the folders Portainer saves them in. They’re labeled with numbers instead of project names which makes it difficult to know which one you’re looking for, but I use rga so that wasn’t as much of an issue for me as it would have been otherwise. It was tedious, but the compose files very much exist on your hard drive.
Yes i am aware,i commented on another post. The problem is that interacting with those directly messes things up. I want a panel that allows me to use cli and gui at the same time without breaking things.
Dockge looks interesting, I gotta check that out
The complete and utter lack of a mobile friendly interface is beyond frustrating. No android, i don’t want you to snap zoom to the search bar every fucking time i go to my stacks page!?
Just for you to known, they store the compose file. It’s in their compose folder on the data volume.
Oh yeah, sorry i know. Was too lazy to type it out. They number the created compose files in numbered directories instead of naming it after the stack.
The problem is, that they do not support at all the direct modification of those files and the abstraction of numbering them instead of giving them real names is annoying when you want to start them via cli.
Technically true, but if you actually try to interact with those compose files directly then shit gets really fucky.
I love Dockge. Have also replaced Portainer with it.
But I hate that I can’t just restart a single container easily with it. It’s a small enough issue since most of the time I need to restart the entire compose file because of dependencies, but still.
You can go to the terminal tab and just run the cli command.
Not perfect, but something to avoid needing to ssh in at least.
Yeah that’s usually what I do on a computer. But I didn’t have easy access to a computer, so I manage my server from my phone. So ssh is usually easier lol
Agreed. Really annoying.
To be fair, Dockge is very, very new. I imagine features like that will turn up soon enough.
Oh most def.
I guess I’m complaining that it isn’t already there, but honestly I love Dockge. Won’t be going back to Portainer. Pretty much since the beginning I’ve been using compose files, and it always bugged me how Portainer handled them.
Dockge is what I’ve always wanted, tbh. Just some QoL stuff here and there, but I’m very happy with it :)
They reduced the free option from 5 nodes to 3 a while back. Looks like only the people who had the 5 node license received that email.
So dumb. How many hobbyists will pay that? A tiny fraction. Then in 4-5 years these guys will be sitting around wondering why their new business customer numbers fell off a cliff.
Don’t bite the hand that proselytizes for you at the office.
That’s the business ed not the community. There’s no limit in aware of in the community ed
Why would you bother? Portainer isn’t anything very useful for Docker. Set up your compose files and go to bed.
Lazydocker if you need an SSH TUI.
CE FTW
portainer sucks anyways. shells dont work really. dockGE is free. https://github.com/louislam/dockge
I am very happy with dockge!
I dont ever recall giving portainer my real email.