Big Tech makes the cart FOSS, then they harvest the wheels… while a bunch of people discuss whether to add wings or to make it waterproof. /s
FOSS, and in particular the GPL, has two sides:
User protection: users get the guarantee that whenever the original dev(s) or Big Tech(s) get bored, switch objectives, or go belly up, then someone else will be able to continue development if they wish.
Corporate cooperation: corporations get the guarantee that no other corporation can take their work, add a couple killer features, and use them to kick the original corporation out of the market.
The problem with FOSS, begins with the argument of “but if I can’t take your work to kick you off the market and leave all users stranded, then it isn’t real freedom”. Kind of similar to the arguments around “free speech”.
There is a way for “Big Tech” to play along with everyone, then it’s up to each corporation whether they will.
I have been thinking about this recently. In a course I took on US economic history we studied the Silicon Valley during the first half of the 20th century. There was a major boom in technological innovation, and a major reason why was the open sharing of ideas among the local tinkerers. The invention of television as it exists was not a product of Farnsworth’s singular genius but of an entire community of inventors freely collaborating out of personal interest. Very different from Silicon Valley today except for one element: the FOSS movement. FOSS is where the experimenting and innovation is happening because the ideas can’t be locked down as they are in the proprietary area where innovation is stifled. It makes sense for corporations to pour money into FOSS because FOSS makes possible what is to them impossible. Also, investments like that are probably a small fraction of what an R&D department working from scratch could cost.
It is amusing though that since the FOSS people are often under no obligations they don’t have to do what big companies want them to do.
I look at it like a professional organization coming together to define standards. A major company may choose to help develop a standard set of software that is 90%+ of the way there instead of dealing with vendor lock-in or the risk of developing from scratch.
firefox is not that clear, they get funding by google for putting google as default search engine thus helping google. We have a problem with FOSS funding
While that’s true I think this meme is far from a fair characterization of that arrangement, given how Mozilla differs so starkly from Google on the direction of the open web. Case in point, their refusal to deprecate manifest v2 for browser extensions.
It is the only way they can get as much funding so I would say that it’s more than in the clear, firefox is the only escape from google’s monopoly on web (chrominum)
I agree on that. I’m looking into writting about FOSS funding with examples and proposing solutions for this issue. Just that takes a long time and a meme is easier.
Hey, I maintain a highly popular (if niche) FOSS library. Where the fuck is my big tech paycheck where they bribe me into integrating with their product?
/s Silly take IMO, relies on cherry-picking popular FOSS projects where you can see “the influence” of big tech, AND then No True Scotsman your way into saying that they’re not allowed to participate in the development/influence of FOSS because… checks notes they’re the ones funding the project/putting money in front of otherwise unpaid volunteers?
If you end up coming up with a better scheme for things that has the actual practical effect of compensating devs appropriately (yes, that means at current market rates or better) for their work, then please let us know so we can switch to doing that immediately. I will literally do anything you suggest if it would achieve that end.
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Company: You made this?
Open Source Dev: Yes
Company: …
Company: I made this.
he forgot to commit and push license.txt
FR, I’ve had this happen to me before (albeit on a WAY smaller scale, though im not sure if it had to do with the absent license)
Pushes Apache License
Well, not having any license means that you still retain full copyright for it. (In the US)
Well you havent seen my corporation then…
Lucy, essplain
uploading this to lemmy, are you?
Obviously yes
Just to clarify, this post is not meant to glorify startups! Startups also have CEO and it’s same as first line in the meme.
This post is meant to start a discussion and to highlight the effects big tech having on FOSS.
It’s aginst big tech not aginst FOSS!
Big Tech makes the cart FOSS, then they harvest the wheels… while a bunch of people discuss whether to add wings or to make it waterproof. /s
FOSS, and in particular the GPL, has two sides:
The problem with FOSS, begins with the argument of “but if I can’t take your work to kick you off the market and leave all users stranded, then it isn’t real freedom”. Kind of similar to the arguments around “free speech”.
There is a way for “Big Tech” to play along with everyone, then it’s up to each corporation whether they will.
I have been thinking about this recently. In a course I took on US economic history we studied the Silicon Valley during the first half of the 20th century. There was a major boom in technological innovation, and a major reason why was the open sharing of ideas among the local tinkerers. The invention of television as it exists was not a product of Farnsworth’s singular genius but of an entire community of inventors freely collaborating out of personal interest. Very different from Silicon Valley today except for one element: the FOSS movement. FOSS is where the experimenting and innovation is happening because the ideas can’t be locked down as they are in the proprietary area where innovation is stifled. It makes sense for corporations to pour money into FOSS because FOSS makes possible what is to them impossible. Also, investments like that are probably a small fraction of what an R&D department working from scratch could cost.
It is amusing though that since the FOSS people are often under no obligations they don’t have to do what big companies want them to do.
I look at it like a professional organization coming together to define standards. A major company may choose to help develop a standard set of software that is 90%+ of the way there instead of dealing with vendor lock-in or the risk of developing from scratch.
I’m stupid. What’s the squiggly black line in the third frame?
that is a whip
Right in the spokes!
🫤
Maybe some examples would be in order.
Counterexamples might include Firefox, Blender, and Lemmy.
firefox is not that clear, they get funding by google for putting google as default search engine thus helping google. We have a problem with FOSS funding
While that’s true I think this meme is far from a fair characterization of that arrangement, given how Mozilla differs so starkly from Google on the direction of the open web. Case in point, their refusal to deprecate manifest v2 for browser extensions.
Doesn’t this meme say big tech tries to control FOSS and can’t?
It is the only way they can get as much funding so I would say that it’s more than in the clear, firefox is the only escape from google’s monopoly on web (chrominum)
I agree on that. I’m looking into writting about FOSS funding with examples and proposing solutions for this issue. Just that takes a long time and a meme is easier.
Does that mean that Big tech cant control it or that it does?
To me, it reads as both. It tries to control it but regardless it flips upside down and no one moves in the same direction.
That it does
I have no idea what’s going on in this…
Hey, I maintain a highly popular (if niche) FOSS library. Where the fuck is my big tech paycheck where they bribe me into integrating with their product?
/s Silly take IMO, relies on cherry-picking popular FOSS projects where you can see “the influence” of big tech, AND then No True Scotsman your way into saying that they’re not allowed to participate in the development/influence of FOSS because… checks notes they’re the ones funding the project/putting money in front of otherwise unpaid volunteers?
If you end up coming up with a better scheme for things that has the actual practical effect of compensating devs appropriately (yes, that means at current market rates or better) for their work, then please let us know so we can switch to doing that immediately. I will literally do anything you suggest if it would achieve that end.
what FOSS library do you maintain?
matrix-nio