Good luck sueing someone that lives in an unheard of African country with a population of one. This is exactly why people release software anonymously.
Wait! Those torrent clients are written with programming languages! We should sue the people who made the programming languages for encouraging piracy!
That’s funny that you mention hardware, cause in Germany you pay a set fee for each device (13.19€ for a computer, 6.25€ for a phone) on purchase since it could be used to create copies of media.
In Denmark it is lawful copies of a media. Problem is that almost all media is copyright protected and it is illegal to circumvent that. So essentially it is a free tax for the organization that represents the artists without any checks and balances to make sure those money actually get distributed to the artists afterwards.
The law regarding circumvention of copyright measures is part of the copyright law, more specifically §75c stk. 1 & stk. 4:
§75 c - It is not permitted to circumvent effective technological measures without the consent of the rightholder.
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(4). Effective technological measures in subsections (1) and (2) shall mean any kind of effective technological measures which, in the normal course of their operation, are intended to protect works and other subject matter, etc. protected under this Act.
Stk. 2 also creates some draconian rules that basically prohibits you from creating tools that help others circumvent copyright protection.
It is not permitted to circumvent effective technological measures
Germany has a similar law and unless it was changed it is legal to circumvent ineffective technological measures which means if you can circumvent it it is ineffective, making the entire law kind of pointless, because how would you circumvent something that can’t be circumvented.
The Danish word “effektiv” I believe carries the meaning “not amateurishly put together” so it might be more of a grey zone leaning into illegal still. Some might after all still call a vaccine effective if it “only” prevents 95% of infections against a certain virus and has a 2% risk of certain moderate side effects.
But interesting tid bit as it’s also relevant in a Danish context. I didn’t know about it.
True, and a knife is an effective tool for cutting, the problem comes in when one decides instead of shooting some paper or cutting a steak, they shoot or cut a person (excluding legal self defense ofc, that’s fine).
plenty of legal uses of the protocol. whats different here?
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Grande doesn’t explain why or when developers of torrent clients should be held liable for piracy. Popular torrent clients and sites that distribute this software are typically content-neutral and don’t actively encourage piracy. That is similar to the defense Grande relies on.
Same with large academic datasets. You can’t rely on most academics to maintain their work past publication, nor to have machines capable of serving that much data in one go.
In a way, they’re making a point. Just because they provide internet shouldn’t mean that they are the ones that should pay damages to record companies. But neither should torrent client developers. If you can’t catch the end user, then that’s your problem. If you’re that concerned, make your material more accessibile.
It’s pretty easy: there’s no culpability on either side. It’s not either-or. If guns and ammo and knife manufacturers are not responsible for murder than neither are ISPs and software developers responsible for piracy.
If the courts don’t like that an IP isn’t a person, then they can pressure congress to change the laws. Until then, everyone can go fuck off
Although, the primary intended use of torrents are p2p filesharing, unlike any kind of weapon whose primary purpose is to cause harm or kill a living thing.
I would argue by virtue of their constant bribery… I mean lobbying… that each of their votes is more like 2 million votes as far as getting policy changes enacted…
Is why I like to have multiple aliases and always connect via vpn… harder to sue me if they can’t figure out who I really am.
On that note, it would be really cool if there was a TOR-based github alternative (or even an I2P-based one) for hosting project repos somewhere that take-downs have no effect and servers can’t be seized. Anybody aware of anything like that? then again, I’m not even sure how I would configure git / ssh to use a TOR-based server lol
Yup, and you can sue Sig Sauer if someone shoots you with one of their guns. You’ll lose due to having no basis for their culpability, but you can try.
the difference is sig sauer has money, lawyers and a few centuries of lobbying on their side, plus being the right side of capital… your average torrent client developer has none of those to fight back with, and is the wrong side of capital.
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Good luck sueing someone that lives in an unheard of African country with a population of one. This is exactly why people release software anonymously.
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Wait! Those torrent clients are written with programming languages! We should sue the people who made the programming languages for encouraging piracy!
Meanwhile the writers of assembly - the root of all programming languages - are shaking in their boots.
You wouldn’t download qt5
And pirates are using hardware to commit their dirty deeds!
Maybe this is how technological society crumbles, one lawsuit at a time.
If I can prove that I downloaded a torrent of an AppleTV show on my Mac, will Apple sue itself?
That’s funny that you mention hardware, cause in Germany you pay a set fee for each device (13.19€ for a computer, 6.25€ for a phone) on purchase since it could be used to create copies of media.
I’m just getting my money’s worth, officer.
Which fee are you referring to? Never heard of that
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauschalabgabe
Danke!
In Denmark it is lawful copies of a media. Problem is that almost all media is copyright protected and it is illegal to circumvent that. So essentially it is a free tax for the organization that represents the artists without any checks and balances to make sure those money actually get distributed to the artists afterwards.
I from Denmark and I have no clue which law you are refering to.
Law regarding fees on drives and the like: https://www.copydan-kulturplus.dk/presse/pressemeddelser/lovaendring-om-kompensation-for-privatkopiering-er-vedtaget-nye-medier-er-omfattet
The law regarding circumvention of copyright measures is part of the copyright law, more specifically §75c stk. 1 & stk. 4:
Stk. 2 also creates some draconian rules that basically prohibits you from creating tools that help others circumvent copyright protection.
Germany has a similar law and unless it was changed it is legal to circumvent ineffective technological measures which means if you can circumvent it it is ineffective, making the entire law kind of pointless, because how would you circumvent something that can’t be circumvented.
The Danish word “effektiv” I believe carries the meaning “not amateurishly put together” so it might be more of a grey zone leaning into illegal still. Some might after all still call a vaccine effective if it “only” prevents 95% of infections against a certain virus and has a 2% risk of certain moderate side effects.
But interesting tid bit as it’s also relevant in a Danish context. I didn’t know about it.
So parents can sue gun companies right?
No, that’s different. People kill people, not guns.
/s
It’s true though. When was the last time a person ever killed a gun?
/joke
Torrent clients don’t download torrents, people download torrents. See? No difference.
Actually, torrent clients download files, not torrents.
Point, set, match!
It’s just a tool…for killing, very efficient killing tool
True, and a knife is an effective tool for cutting, the problem comes in when one decides instead of shooting some paper or cutting a steak, they shoot or cut a person (excluding legal self defense ofc, that’s fine).
And sue politicians on the take
And they can sue the state for giving out driver’s license
plenty of legal uses of the protocol. whats different here?
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just graspin at straws it seems
Plenty of legal uses. For example, it was legitimately faster for me to install deluge and torrent Ubuntu than it was to just download Ubuntu.
There’s so many other legitimate uses, but that’s the main one I used it for
Same with large academic datasets. You can’t rely on most academics to maintain their work past publication, nor to have machines capable of serving that much data in one go.
In a way, they’re making a point. Just because they provide internet shouldn’t mean that they are the ones that should pay damages to record companies. But neither should torrent client developers. If you can’t catch the end user, then that’s your problem. If you’re that concerned, make your material more accessibile.
It’s pretty easy: there’s no culpability on either side. It’s not either-or. If guns and ammo and knife manufacturers are not responsible for murder than neither are ISPs and software developers responsible for piracy.
If the courts don’t like that an IP isn’t a person, then they can pressure congress to change the laws. Until then, everyone can go fuck off
Although, the primary intended use of torrents are p2p filesharing, unlike any kind of weapon whose primary purpose is to cause harm or kill a living thing.
Double whammy, corporations are not people and should also have laws changed.
Corporations treated as persons only gives board people the ability to vote twice while the workers can’t.
I would argue by virtue of their constant bribery… I mean lobbying… that each of their votes is more like 2 million votes as far as getting policy changes enacted…
All the rights of a person but none of the obligations.
Maybe in response to this we should all download a bunch of new music, then delete it all because it’s complete garbage.
You wouldn’t download and then delete a car would you?
I’d like to get a Tesla so I can put a turbo 3.8 V6 in it.
Completely insane.
Is why I like to have multiple aliases and always connect via vpn… harder to sue me if they can’t figure out who I really am.
On that note, it would be really cool if there was a TOR-based github alternative (or even an I2P-based one) for hosting project repos somewhere that take-downs have no effect and servers can’t be seized. Anybody aware of anything like that? then again, I’m not even sure how I would configure
git/sshto use a TOR-based server lolWith that logic they should sue the creators of the AV1 codec as well. Lots of pirated movies will be encoded with it…
They should sue Alan Turing and John von Neumann.
You can sue anyone for anything - doesn’t mean you’re going to win.
Those silly old suits. The world left them behind long ago.
They should sue movie producers. After all, they regularly supply the pirates with fresh wares.
Why is it always that a torrentfreak link is posted here and it’s something negative and fear mongering?
Because part of their job is sharing all the batshit people argue in court that affects the space?
Whose job? And why does inconsequential rubbish that will be laughed at need to be reported?
Torrent Freak’s.
They cover news in the torrent and piracy space. This is very clearly news. It’s literally the whole purpose of the site.
Yup, and you can sue Sig Sauer if someone shoots you with one of their guns. You’ll lose due to having no basis for their culpability, but you can try.
the difference is sig sauer has money, lawyers and a few centuries of lobbying on their side, plus being the right side of capital… your average torrent client developer has none of those to fight back with, and is the wrong side of capital.
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Feel like Sig Sauer et. al. might at least make a amicus curiae though, considering the legal ramifications.
Someone doesn’t understand peer2peer filesharing. Next they will sue Microsoft for allowing pirated thing to run…
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