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Authoritarians are both more likely to work in government intelligence and investigation agencies while also being unable to imagine any other way of society working besides what they have. Authoritarians are unimaginative and forceful and don’t want to give up their special place in society where they make rules for others and can be excepted from those rules by their friends who enforce the rules. The authorities are terrified of being treated like the civilian population they think they rule.
Let’s change society and make things fair for all.
You do understand the similarities between authority and authoritarianism in our current world where oligarchs and billionaires control most of the money and a fair chunk of the security services?
No. If I’m a doctor with qualifications in microbiology and I tell you that vaccines are important an effective, then I’m it’s worth listening to me because I’m authoritative, more so than the random guy on YouTube. It’s the erosion of **authority ** as a problem that the article is about.
Well, maybe stop exploiting everyone for the benefit of the rich and this wont be an issue?
I mean, that’s how we got the modern welfare state, and how we managed to engineer one of the most relatively tranquil, peaceful and progressive periods in human history: by ensuring everyone had enough, rather than letting a few fight for it all while most had none.
It’s like the solution is staring these people in the face, but they can’t–they won’t–see it.
Part of the whole narrative is to flame, encourage and promote extremism and extremist ideas. When the public discourse is completely muddled with extreme views and ideologies … mainstream, moderate and actual criticisms are more easily dismissed as ‘tearing apart the fabric of society’.
The owners and controllers of civilization want to maintain the status quo, they don’t want change.
We are approaching the end of a global capital cycle and we have radicalized most with the modern social media echo chamber using ideologies while uneducating our youth.
We need to teach our people how to think critically once again while remembering that some civil discourse is ok. We are walking slowly towards fascism in the west and we should be careful.
We are all different humans so lets treat each others that way!
Fascists tend to use anti-authority sentiment to support their own rise to power. “I’m taking power from the bad people and using it to help you!” kind of thing.
while both true, and conveniently the position of the authorities, it’s a real conundrum.
rightist nihilists and leftist anarchists live with blinders on, and only an end goal in mind, never thinking of the ramifications of their actions, how many would be hurt, and be left hurt if they ever achieved what they fight so hard for.
Most anarchists i’ve met tend to be focused on the practical and spend most of their lives thinking and talking about the ramifications of their actions and political action in general.
If you’re seeing similarities between ‘rightist nihilists’ and anarchists, you’re looking at stereotypes and not reality. They’re world’s apart. Anarchism requires a core of burning optimism about human capacity for co-operation and self governance. Depending on what you mean by ‘rightist nihilists’ you’re talking about no strong beliefs or diametrically opposed beliefs, goals, organizing structures, etc.
Anarchists don’t fight for a world with zero authority. They fight for a world that has justified authority. If you say, “well lots of things don’t require authority that people swear is necessary!” Yes, that’s why it’s an entire axiom and not a childish thought.
Learn what political ideologies even want before you attempt to insult them.
I think ‘organization without authority’ would be a better way to put it.
It sounds like you probably mean that, I just think that for a lot of anarchists ‘authority’ is a bad word. I don’t call myself an anarchist, but I agree with a lot of anarchist thought. Certainly to me ‘justified authority’ sounds like a contradiction in terms - all authority is based on artificial and unjust hierarchies, so could never be justified.
Right, organization does not require authority, it requires coordination. Authority’s only purpose is to coerce other’s behavior, this is what is to be avoided in an anarchist society.
Anarchism can still have leaders, but they would lead voluntary teams because they are respected and capable of coordination, not because they are powerful.
Maybe go to a direct action group like Food Not Bombs or Defend the Atlanta Forest? Anarchists who actually do praxis are where you’ll find real anarchists.
I don’t currently have transportation and will be heavily occupied for several months. That said, I have attended events and spoken with Food Not Bombs people, and they are amazing, really good people. I had traveled a state north to do it, though, and if my plans pan out, I intend to find and work with them (in general, not necessarily the exact same people) in the future. Working with Atlanteans are quite possible, I won’t discount them but in general hope to travel northwards a bit. But who knows what tomorrow holds, I could well end up in Georgia.
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If the end result is violence on them, I think they earned it.
Ugh, the facists aren’t the only ones who want to tear down the hierarchy. The good guys do too, albeit for very different reasons
Yup. But the hierarchy has lost the ability to tell the difference between the two and that is what will kill us all.
Authoritarians are both more likely to work in government intelligence and investigation agencies while also being unable to imagine any other way of society working besides what they have. Authoritarians are unimaginative and forceful and don’t want to give up their special place in society where they make rules for others and can be excepted from those rules by their friends who enforce the rules. The authorities are terrified of being treated like the civilian population they think they rule.
Let’s change society and make things fair for all.
This article is about authority figures, not about authoritarians. That’s like mixing up paediatricians and paedophiles
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Not even close.
You do understand the difference between authority and authoritarianism, right?
You do understand the similarities between authority and authoritarianism in our current world where oligarchs and billionaires control most of the money and a fair chunk of the security services?
No. If I’m a doctor with qualifications in microbiology and I tell you that vaccines are important an effective, then I’m it’s worth listening to me because I’m authoritative, more so than the random guy on YouTube. It’s the erosion of **authority ** as a problem that the article is about.
Very much like “the captain” in The Handmaid’s Tale (book version, never saw the tv version).
Well, maybe stop exploiting everyone for the benefit of the rich and this wont be an issue?
I mean, that’s how we got the modern welfare state, and how we managed to engineer one of the most relatively tranquil, peaceful and progressive periods in human history: by ensuring everyone had enough, rather than letting a few fight for it all while most had none.
It’s like the solution is staring these people in the face, but they can’t–they won’t–see it.
rich people and state colluding to fuck over peasants is deff NOT tearing any “fabric of society” tho!
Part of the whole narrative is to flame, encourage and promote extremism and extremist ideas. When the public discourse is completely muddled with extreme views and ideologies … mainstream, moderate and actual criticisms are more easily dismissed as ‘tearing apart the fabric of society’.
The owners and controllers of civilization want to maintain the status quo, they don’t want change.
We are approaching the end of a global capital cycle and we have radicalized most with the modern social media echo chamber using ideologies while uneducating our youth.
We need to teach our people how to think critically once again while remembering that some civil discourse is ok. We are walking slowly towards fascism in the west and we should be careful.
We are all different humans so lets treat each others that way!
Anti authority is the furthest thing from facism lol
Fascists tend to use anti-authority sentiment to support their own rise to power. “I’m taking power from the bad people and using it to help you!” kind of thing.
When balance is lost, extremes become.
while both true, and conveniently the position of the authorities, it’s a real conundrum.
rightist nihilists and leftist anarchists live with blinders on, and only an end goal in mind, never thinking of the ramifications of their actions, how many would be hurt, and be left hurt if they ever achieved what they fight so hard for.
That’s why authoritarian propaganda from the Kremlin and CCP supports both of them. Divide and conquer.
Hold up, where’s my CCP money? I’m an anarchist, and this is how I learn my comrades are getting paid to be subversive?
I’m still waiting for my cheque from Soros.
Anarchists I know very much consider how many could be hurt.
Most anarchists i’ve met tend to be focused on the practical and spend most of their lives thinking and talking about the ramifications of their actions and political action in general.
If you’re seeing similarities between ‘rightist nihilists’ and anarchists, you’re looking at stereotypes and not reality. They’re world’s apart. Anarchism requires a core of burning optimism about human capacity for co-operation and self governance. Depending on what you mean by ‘rightist nihilists’ you’re talking about no strong beliefs or diametrically opposed beliefs, goals, organizing structures, etc.
I’ve never met a practical anarchist.
They’re all edgelords who are ironically looking for a sense of belonging.
Progressives are the most rational, level-headed bunch that’s actually trying to help society.
Anarchists don’t fight for a world with zero authority. They fight for a world that has justified authority. If you say, “well lots of things don’t require authority that people swear is necessary!” Yes, that’s why it’s an entire axiom and not a childish thought.
Learn what political ideologies even want before you attempt to insult them.
I think ‘organization without authority’ would be a better way to put it.
It sounds like you probably mean that, I just think that for a lot of anarchists ‘authority’ is a bad word. I don’t call myself an anarchist, but I agree with a lot of anarchist thought. Certainly to me ‘justified authority’ sounds like a contradiction in terms - all authority is based on artificial and unjust hierarchies, so could never be justified.
Right, organization does not require authority, it requires coordination. Authority’s only purpose is to coerce other’s behavior, this is what is to be avoided in an anarchist society.
Anarchism can still have leaders, but they would lead voluntary teams because they are respected and capable of coordination, not because they are powerful.
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Not sure where you meet anarchists, but the ones I’ve met are the most educated, hard working, and empathetic people I’ve ever met
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Agreed, probably depends a lot on where you live though.
I live in the Deep South, and that’s been my experience with the (precious few) anarchists and socialists, for that matter, that I’ve met, as well.
Maybe go to a direct action group like Food Not Bombs or Defend the Atlanta Forest? Anarchists who actually do praxis are where you’ll find real anarchists.
I don’t currently have transportation and will be heavily occupied for several months. That said, I have attended events and spoken with Food Not Bombs people, and they are amazing, really good people. I had traveled a state north to do it, though, and if my plans pan out, I intend to find and work with them (in general, not necessarily the exact same people) in the future. Working with Atlanteans are quite possible, I won’t discount them but in general hope to travel northwards a bit. But who knows what tomorrow holds, I could well end up in Georgia.
The “fabric of society” they’re trying to preserve:
You found my blankie!
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