I grew up being told about how amazing and great Canada is. I’m grown now, where is this great Canada? As I’ve grown I’ve seen what Canada did to my fellow native blooded people, wages are pathetic, housing is a disaster, food prices are a joke, healthcare is covering less and less, our government only cares about foreign citizens and not their own.
Where is the greatness of Canada? Cause I sure as fuck can’t see it
Corporate taxes used to cover over 30% of government revenue, it’s 10% now. The top marginal income tax rate peaked in the 1960s at somewhere around 80% on income exceeding ~3M/year (today’s money). We’ve had 4 decades of tax cuts while the cost of delivering services has increased more or less with the inflation rate. Private equity funds now have favourable tax treatment, and stock buybacks, previously considered illegal stock manipulation is a common practice. And so on and so forth.
If you want what you had, you have to do what you did.
I’m inclined to suspect the corporate taxes covering 30 percent down to ten, is more related to an increase in government spending and increasing individual’s taxes, than cutting corporate, because, believe it or not, they tax the living shit out of businesses, much more and it’ll start to cause failures. Often times businesses that would be quite profitable just on the other side of the border, are barely making it despite comparable sales, and taxes go up tomorrow,
Corporations aren’t your friends, they aren’t going to give you any preferential treatment that they aren’t seeing the better side of.
Capital flight is also not a thing, it’s a bogeyman set up by conservatives to avoid raising taxes.
Businesses also won’t leave. Their remarkable treatment in Canada will go down to slightly less remarkable. They moan and groan and set up a whole ad campaign about how this is going to hurt the consumer but that means it’s working. And if you mean “small business” there are so so so many way ways to create exceptions or offer grants to Canadians starting or operating small businesses, where the target is larger oligopolies and conglomerates.
It’s absolutely a thing, most corporations are a couple people running a business, and capital flight is absolutely a fucking thing, Just look at the difference between Saskatchewan and Alberta over 50 years because of different tax/government policies with the same base conditions and people. And then look at Montana for a third perspective of the same base conditions. It is so tiring listening to people buy these asinine takes in complete rejection of reality.
Once again. Corporations aren’t your friend, no matter the head count. It’s that simple. Don’t simp for people who don’t give a fuck about you or your family. Full stop.
Second. Again. Capital flight is a boogeyman. Alberta and Sask aren’t comparable. Alberta has cities, amenities and established populations, Sask doesn’t. If you want to take anything flight seriously, how about brain drain in our high paying, sought after career sectors, where we educate our population only for them to leave for better opportunities elsewhere? Doctors aren’t going to stay for the pittance, and software engineers aren’t going to keep staying for the remarkable amount of investment the government is putting to try to establish STEM in Canada because the private sector isn’t competitive with their salaries. Fuck your capital flight, if these are the corporations you’re afraid of leaving I’m more than willing to say goodbye, because the ones who fill the gaps will likely see the case studies and change course.
I’ll give you a spoiler alert. They’re not going anywhere. Just like they haven’t left Aus, NZ or the other dozen and change 1st world countries with high corporate tax rates than Canada. It’s not happening, you’re afraid of a ghost.
You cantankerous fuck. You curmudgeonly prick. You beast headed moron.
You keep thinking you’re right. You do that. I don’t give a flying fuck. You are the most miserable fuck I’ve come across on here to date and exactly the type I left Reddit and Twitter behind to avoid.
I sincerely hope you fuck off. Hard.
You don’t want to talk about ideas you want people to tell you you’re right, even though you’re not, and you will take any little thing and twist it in your warped brain to make it seem right.
I’ll say this one again, preaching for your corporate overlords is going to do nothing and I mean fucking absolutely nothing for you. They aren’t going to reward you for your boot licking. They aren’t going to reward you for your deeds. They’re going to do the same thing they always do, take as much money from you as fucking possible unless held accountable.
I’m asking for that last part, and that’s fucking reasonable, because I don’t owe them a fucking thing. I don’t owe them a fucking crumb on my floor. They only get my business because I require their services and if I had more options or a cheaper way to do it I would take them, but because of people like your stupid fucking self who keep sucking them and the governments who support them and their ability to block any competition regardless of anti-competitive laws in some kind of backwards insanity, you fucking assholes have fucked us all so fucking hard and I despise you all for it.
If it weren’t for the likes of you the world wouldn’t be dying, the places I’ve visited, and yes, counter to your “travel” stupid ass quip I have travelled extensively, including almost every square metre of this great country, and I’d be able to show my family the amazing places, but no. Let’s trust the corporate overlords to self-manage, and that’ll fucking work and you keep sucking theirs dicks and telling us we’re all the fucking morons even though you’re sitting there with your cum and shit stained clothes wondering why the fuck daddy Corpo isn’t giving you a tip for your service.
Fuck you. Move to the states. I really really believe Canada needs less of you fucking pricks.
What had held Canada back for 50 years is people like you. You didn’t want to make a go of it, you bought into all that fucking nazi Tommy Douglas and his political descendants ruined this country with. You people need to be reminded you’re useless garbage every now and then. Love, some guy with a numbered corp. There’d be a 250 square mile area with out the last person hanging on providing the business i do if i did fuck off.
Yeah. It’s how we spend on keeping Canadians healthy and happy like every other happy country does. Keep up.
And TEN IS LESS THAN THIRTY like it was in the Good Old days we seemed to survive before, in those years when we built things like bridges and railways (those are the rotting, unmaintained things we non-helicopter-owning wage-slaves use) like Sweden and Denmark do to this day.
increase in government spending
TAX AND SPEND. Keep up. It’s a whole thing.
quite profitable just on the other side of the border
Unless you mean on Miquelon or Greenland, you must be talking about the border to that user-pays, fuck-the-plebes, birth-slavery, medical-bankruptcy hell to our south.
Having lived there, I fervently hope you aren’t holding that nearly-fascist mess as a goal. Alberta is cruel enough for us; let’s not go full American.
I love when people defend corps when we talk about increasing taxes for them for once instead of cutting them again and wondering why it’s not working.
The conservative like to talk about the good old days, but when we point out that the taxes were higher, bootlickers come out of the woodwork to explain why taxing the rich more is bad for the economy.
We’ve been cutting taxes for the rich since the 60s, and everything is getting fucked over. At one point, you gotta get your head out of your ass and see the reality.
Big corpos and rich people game the system at every corner, and people still defend them.
You won’t be rich, and they won’t save you when the earth is scorched.
Tax the fuck out of them, and if they leave, someone will take their place.
I got the point: like every Calgary commercial realtor I’ve ever met, you’re concerned with taxes you must pay - dramatic swoon - and not really aware how tax money makes things not suck like it does in America as I’ve seen with my own fucking eyes.
Hey genius, people don’t continue on with businesses of zero net. Taxes in many provinces are at the point what would be otherwise profitable businesses aren’t worth it, that’s why you see so many abandoned. Taxes aren’t just on revenue, they’re on every aspect.
Not a genius, just a bit of experience with small non-profits that share commonality with small businesses.
people don’t continue on with businesses of zero net.
They absolutely do. A lot of my friends are professionals that run net zero after they pay themselves.
Taxes in many provinces are at the point what would be otherwise profitable businesses aren’t worth it, that’s why you see so many abandoned.
No, they are abandoned because they failed or the owner didn’t want to run them anymore
Taxes aren’t just on revenue, they’re on every aspect.
Yeah sure, but that has to do with an increase in COGS, not the increase of tax on the business. There as soany impacts on COGS that you can’t narrow it down to a single thing. Even large corps switch between vetricalizing and not depending on situations beyond more than just tax.
Lets break this down for you. Take beer. a bar doesn’t pay gst, pst or lct when it buys it, only when it sells it, but there’s already an excise and other taxes on it long before it reaches point of final sale. so say 45-55 dollars price a 24 case for the liquor store or bar if in a province with a form of LCB monopoly yet. the bar can’t sell it for less than 70 bucks or it’s paying you to leave with it. 75 now as of the federal increase depending on province, just to not lose money selling beer to leave the premises, and you don’t want to increase it to a point you make money off that, because it’s at least getting people in the door because you’re price matching the liquor store, Then the carbon tax. the bills. the taxes on those, the tax tax tax on tax. if you do manage to make any money after all that, they tax that too. Small business books look like the shit people used try kill the sheriff of Nottingham and prince john for.
That’s a long winded explanation for saying taxes are one part of COGS. Do taxes impact COGS? Absolutely. But so do other regulations, market pressureus, trade deals, weather, road repairs, train breakdowns, flu season intensity, water table levels, how much commission the sales guy gets, etc, etc, etc.
jesus christ why not just say “But Harper” outright? At least when the conservatives are in charge, they try fix everything the Liberals broke. But they break shit so bad, it’s hard to come back. We’ll be feeling this Trudeau for 50 years, and we still haven’t recovered from his dad.
Our southern neighbour has a huge lobbying campaign to turn our system in a private health care system.
It’s not that they are actively working towards this that is the problem … it’s equally problematic that we citizens are more than willing to just wander around like zombies and let it all happen.
I think we’re privatizing ourselves quite nicely without their help.
It’s hard to (directly) blame the US when we insist on underpaying our health care staff on our own. We also reduced the number of spots for training nurses and doctors during the 1990s.
You sound successful enough and able to pull yourself up by the bootstraps down south, why not have a go at it and leave us to fester in our socialist hellhole?
But spending cuts in the 1980s and 1990s, along with a move to put more responsibility for economic and social well-being on the shoulders of individuals, caused low-income Canadians to fall further behind, the report says.
It’s amazing reading some of these statements. Spending increased every year but cuts are the problem holding people back, when taxes have increased dramatically since then too.
Taxes don’t tend to affect you when you make less than the tax cutoff.
But not having the social services those taxes used to fund suddenly means you don’t get to eat dinner tomorrow, or you can’t go to a family doctor because there aren’t any available.
People like to complain about taxes, but taxes never made someone destitute.
The people in this country who make less than the tax cutoff are so few it doesn’t even come into a discussion between actual adults on general policy. You clowns would impoverish everyone on the lie that that is what it takes to give a very few welfare.
“but taxes never made someone destitute.” that there is what we call a “lie”.
The people in this country who make less than the tax cutoff are so few it doesn’t even come into a discussion between actual adults on general policy.
In 1961, families paid 33.5% of their income on taxes, but by 1969 they were paying 39% and in 1974 they paid 43.4% of their income. So, if you compare the 2009 effective family tax rate to 1961, you will find a 25% increase, but you will only report a 7% increase since 1969 and an actual decrease since 1974.
(Note this analysis is circa 2010, but things haven’t changed substantially since then aside from the post COVID inflation spike that’s still subsiding).
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Holy shit, when fucking Bloomberg says that neoliberalism is the problem, you know it’s bad.
The biggest things that happened are media hubris and corporate consolidation. Secondary things are population increase and offshore investment.
And a continued government and societal coddling of massive corporations able to purchase naming rights to stadiums on our backs.
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What happened is neoliberalism.
You got it.
I grew up being told about how amazing and great Canada is. I’m grown now, where is this great Canada? As I’ve grown I’ve seen what Canada did to my fellow native blooded people, wages are pathetic, housing is a disaster, food prices are a joke, healthcare is covering less and less, our government only cares about foreign citizens and not their own.
Where is the greatness of Canada? Cause I sure as fuck can’t see it
Our government has been pissing it all away since at least 1990.
It’s funny how infrastructure doesn’t maintain itself.
Maybe they should try doing that instead of the last 10 years.
Ooh, I know this! Is it capitalism?
It’s capitalism.
Corporate taxes used to cover over 30% of government revenue, it’s 10% now. The top marginal income tax rate peaked in the 1960s at somewhere around 80% on income exceeding ~3M/year (today’s money). We’ve had 4 decades of tax cuts while the cost of delivering services has increased more or less with the inflation rate. Private equity funds now have favourable tax treatment, and stock buybacks, previously considered illegal stock manipulation is a common practice. And so on and so forth.
If you want what you had, you have to do what you did.
I’m inclined to suspect the corporate taxes covering 30 percent down to ten, is more related to an increase in government spending and increasing individual’s taxes, than cutting corporate, because, believe it or not, they tax the living shit out of businesses, much more and it’ll start to cause failures. Often times businesses that would be quite profitable just on the other side of the border, are barely making it despite comparable sales, and taxes go up tomorrow,
Corporations aren’t your friends, they aren’t going to give you any preferential treatment that they aren’t seeing the better side of.
Capital flight is also not a thing, it’s a bogeyman set up by conservatives to avoid raising taxes.
Businesses also won’t leave. Their remarkable treatment in Canada will go down to slightly less remarkable. They moan and groan and set up a whole ad campaign about how this is going to hurt the consumer but that means it’s working. And if you mean “small business” there are so so so many way ways to create exceptions or offer grants to Canadians starting or operating small businesses, where the target is larger oligopolies and conglomerates.
It’s absolutely a thing, most corporations are a couple people running a business, and capital flight is absolutely a fucking thing, Just look at the difference between Saskatchewan and Alberta over 50 years because of different tax/government policies with the same base conditions and people. And then look at Montana for a third perspective of the same base conditions. It is so tiring listening to people buy these asinine takes in complete rejection of reality.
Funny that you mention complete rejection of reality… Did you even read the article?
I posted it for the title, not cause I believe everything I read in it.
Well then your a fucking idiot. And I vote you off this country fuck face
Being called this by what appears to be a Liberal supporter is actually a compliment.
Once again. Corporations aren’t your friend, no matter the head count. It’s that simple. Don’t simp for people who don’t give a fuck about you or your family. Full stop.
Second. Again. Capital flight is a boogeyman. Alberta and Sask aren’t comparable. Alberta has cities, amenities and established populations, Sask doesn’t. If you want to take anything flight seriously, how about brain drain in our high paying, sought after career sectors, where we educate our population only for them to leave for better opportunities elsewhere? Doctors aren’t going to stay for the pittance, and software engineers aren’t going to keep staying for the remarkable amount of investment the government is putting to try to establish STEM in Canada because the private sector isn’t competitive with their salaries. Fuck your capital flight, if these are the corporations you’re afraid of leaving I’m more than willing to say goodbye, because the ones who fill the gaps will likely see the case studies and change course.
I’ll give you a spoiler alert. They’re not going anywhere. Just like they haven’t left Aus, NZ or the other dozen and change 1st world countries with high corporate tax rates than Canada. It’s not happening, you’re afraid of a ghost.
Alberta has all those things because what I said happened THEN, you disingenuous goof. Capital flight is brain drain, they’re one and the same.
They’ve all been left behind. Fuck, you need to travel.
You cantankerous fuck. You curmudgeonly prick. You beast headed moron.
You keep thinking you’re right. You do that. I don’t give a flying fuck. You are the most miserable fuck I’ve come across on here to date and exactly the type I left Reddit and Twitter behind to avoid.
I sincerely hope you fuck off. Hard.
You don’t want to talk about ideas you want people to tell you you’re right, even though you’re not, and you will take any little thing and twist it in your warped brain to make it seem right.
I’ll say this one again, preaching for your corporate overlords is going to do nothing and I mean fucking absolutely nothing for you. They aren’t going to reward you for your boot licking. They aren’t going to reward you for your deeds. They’re going to do the same thing they always do, take as much money from you as fucking possible unless held accountable.
I’m asking for that last part, and that’s fucking reasonable, because I don’t owe them a fucking thing. I don’t owe them a fucking crumb on my floor. They only get my business because I require their services and if I had more options or a cheaper way to do it I would take them, but because of people like your stupid fucking self who keep sucking them and the governments who support them and their ability to block any competition regardless of anti-competitive laws in some kind of backwards insanity, you fucking assholes have fucked us all so fucking hard and I despise you all for it.
If it weren’t for the likes of you the world wouldn’t be dying, the places I’ve visited, and yes, counter to your “travel” stupid ass quip I have travelled extensively, including almost every square metre of this great country, and I’d be able to show my family the amazing places, but no. Let’s trust the corporate overlords to self-manage, and that’ll fucking work and you keep sucking theirs dicks and telling us we’re all the fucking morons even though you’re sitting there with your cum and shit stained clothes wondering why the fuck daddy Corpo isn’t giving you a tip for your service.
Fuck you. Move to the states. I really really believe Canada needs less of you fucking pricks.
What had held Canada back for 50 years is people like you. You didn’t want to make a go of it, you bought into all that fucking nazi Tommy Douglas and his political descendants ruined this country with. You people need to be reminded you’re useless garbage every now and then. Love, some guy with a numbered corp. There’d be a 250 square mile area with out the last person hanging on providing the business i do if i did fuck off.
Yeah. It’s how we spend on keeping Canadians healthy and happy like every other happy country does. Keep up.
And TEN IS LESS THAN THIRTY like it was in the Good Old days we seemed to survive before, in those years when we built things like bridges and railways (those are the rotting, unmaintained things we non-helicopter-owning wage-slaves use) like Sweden and Denmark do to this day.
TAX AND SPEND. Keep up. It’s a whole thing.
Unless you mean on Miquelon or Greenland, you must be talking about the border to that user-pays, fuck-the-plebes, birth-slavery, medical-bankruptcy hell to our south.
Having lived there, I fervently hope you aren’t holding that nearly-fascist mess as a goal. Alberta is cruel enough for us; let’s not go full American.
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I love when people defend corps when we talk about increasing taxes for them for once instead of cutting them again and wondering why it’s not working.
The conservative like to talk about the good old days, but when we point out that the taxes were higher, bootlickers come out of the woodwork to explain why taxing the rich more is bad for the economy.
We’ve been cutting taxes for the rich since the 60s, and everything is getting fucked over. At one point, you gotta get your head out of your ass and see the reality.
Big corpos and rich people game the system at every corner, and people still defend them.
You won’t be rich, and they won’t save you when the earth is scorched.
Tax the fuck out of them, and if they leave, someone will take their place.
Is there a point any of you have ever not missed?
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I got the point: like every Calgary commercial realtor I’ve ever met, you’re concerned with taxes you must pay - dramatic swoon - and not really aware how tax money makes things not suck like it does in America as I’ve seen with my own fucking eyes.
Keep. Up.
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Your such a sack of shit that is all the shit in your was fished down the toilet where it belongs there’s be nothing fucking left of you.
Fuck you and your conservative friends too
lol. I was an NDP voter for years. Singh ended that federally.
Why?
Taxes are on revenues, not gross profits. That’s why EBIT exists as a performance measure.
As a quick example of a made up corp:
Gross profits 1.1B
COGS + OpExp 1.0B
EBIT 100M
Taxes 10% (30%)
Revenues 90M (70M)
Now mom and pop barely alive
Gross profits 500k
COGS + OpExp 500k
EBIT 0
Taxes 10% (30%)
Revenues 0 (0)
Hey genius, people don’t continue on with businesses of zero net. Taxes in many provinces are at the point what would be otherwise profitable businesses aren’t worth it, that’s why you see so many abandoned. Taxes aren’t just on revenue, they’re on every aspect.
Not a genius, just a bit of experience with small non-profits that share commonality with small businesses.
They absolutely do. A lot of my friends are professionals that run net zero after they pay themselves.
No, they are abandoned because they failed or the owner didn’t want to run them anymore
Yeah sure, but that has to do with an increase in COGS, not the increase of tax on the business. There as soany impacts on COGS that you can’t narrow it down to a single thing. Even large corps switch between vetricalizing and not depending on situations beyond more than just tax.
Lets break this down for you. Take beer. a bar doesn’t pay gst, pst or lct when it buys it, only when it sells it, but there’s already an excise and other taxes on it long before it reaches point of final sale. so say 45-55 dollars price a 24 case for the liquor store or bar if in a province with a form of LCB monopoly yet. the bar can’t sell it for less than 70 bucks or it’s paying you to leave with it. 75 now as of the federal increase depending on province, just to not lose money selling beer to leave the premises, and you don’t want to increase it to a point you make money off that, because it’s at least getting people in the door because you’re price matching the liquor store, Then the carbon tax. the bills. the taxes on those, the tax tax tax on tax. if you do manage to make any money after all that, they tax that too. Small business books look like the shit people used try kill the sheriff of Nottingham and prince john for.
Let’s break this down for you, fuck off.
Awww. suddenly all the oh so serious and real arguments, totally not bullshit theories, go away when actual numbers appear.
Nah. It’s because you’re a joke.
If I made a point you’d be like “oh but the monkey’s right nut was facing west so that means that blahblahbullfuckingshit”
You’re one of those twirps who just changes the argument regardless of what’s actually happening. It’s worthless, just like you.
Go eat shit.
That’s a long winded explanation for saying taxes are one part of COGS. Do taxes impact COGS? Absolutely. But so do other regulations, market pressureus, trade deals, weather, road repairs, train breakdowns, flu season intensity, water table levels, how much commission the sales guy gets, etc, etc, etc.
Conservative provincial policy happened.
jesus christ why not just say “But Harper” outright? At least when the conservatives are in charge, they try fix everything the Liberals broke. But they break shit so bad, it’s hard to come back. We’ll be feeling this Trudeau for 50 years, and we still haven’t recovered from his dad.
Liberals and Conservatives have helmed provincial and federal governments over the decades that it took for these crises to gestate.
Our southern neighbour has a huge lobbying campaign to turn our system in a private health care system.
It’s not that they are actively working towards this that is the problem … it’s equally problematic that we citizens are more than willing to just wander around like zombies and let it all happen.
I think we’re privatizing ourselves quite nicely without their help.
It’s hard to (directly) blame the US when we insist on underpaying our health care staff on our own. We also reduced the number of spots for training nurses and doctors during the 1990s.
The most effective lobbying campaign has been being exposed to our system. I am so sick of this fucking tim hortons patriotism bs
You sound successful enough and able to pull yourself up by the bootstraps down south, why not have a go at it and leave us to fester in our socialist hellhole?
That was the plan before I ran across this current opportunity. Maybe in 5 years when I have all the kinks out and don’t have to supervise directly.
Cool cool cool. Do be sure to shut the door in the way out, and not to let it hit you in the tukus as you leave. Ta ta!
So neoliberalism. Neoliberalism happened.
Who could’ve guessed.
It’s amazing reading some of these statements. Spending increased every year but cuts are the problem holding people back, when taxes have increased dramatically since then too.
Taxes don’t tend to affect you when you make less than the tax cutoff.
But not having the social services those taxes used to fund suddenly means you don’t get to eat dinner tomorrow, or you can’t go to a family doctor because there aren’t any available.
People like to complain about taxes, but taxes never made someone destitute.
The people in this country who make less than the tax cutoff are so few it doesn’t even come into a discussion between actual adults on general policy. You clowns would impoverish everyone on the lie that that is what it takes to give a very few welfare.
“but taxes never made someone destitute.” that there is what we call a “lie”.
Nearly one million working-age single adults are stuck in a cycle of “deep” poverty with an average annual income of $11,700
Taxes alone will not make you destitute. Paying extra for privatized services which should be public, will make you destitute.
No they haven’t:
https://policyalternatives.ca/publications/commentary/have-taxes-changed-all-much-over-past-half-century
(Note this analysis is circa 2010, but things haven’t changed substantially since then aside from the post COVID inflation spike that’s still subsiding).
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