Experts are worried that books produced by ChatGPT for sale on Amazon, which target beginner foragers, could end up killing someone.
Many mushroom identification and foraging books being sold on Amazon are likely generated by AI with no human authorship. These books could provide dangerous misinformation and potentially lead to deaths if people eat poisonous mushrooms based on the AI’s inaccurate descriptions. Two New York mushroom societies have warned about the risks of AI-generated foraging guides. Experts note that safely identifying wild mushrooms requires careful research and experience that an AI system does not have. Amazon has since removed some books flagged as AI-generated, but more may exist. Detecting AI-generated books and authors can be difficult as the systems can fabricate author bios and images. Relying on multiple credible sources, as well as guidance from local foraging groups, is advised for safely pursuing mushroom foraging.
This is my experience so don’t rely on it: Most mushrooms won’t kill you but some will make you so sick that you wished you died. Even a small bite of the deadly Destroying Angle will most likely not kill you. Only eat a very small amount of a new-to-you mushroom because even safe ones may trigger a fatal allergic reaction, also “safe” Morel mushrooms have killed people who really, really over consumed them.
Get a real “National Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Mushrooms”, book and download the “Seek” app for your phone. Find a person who experienced and go slow. NEVER get careless or over confident.
In the United States, where I used to travel often and widely, you have to pay for dialysis and it’s extremely expensive. In New York it cost me $1000 a session.
It’s worth pointing out that this is because the author is a foreign national. Americans with permanent kidney failure are guaranteed Medicare even if they’re under 65, and Medicare part B covers outpatient dialysis in full. Signing that into law is one of the few good things Richard Nixon ever did.
Thanks, interesting. I’m glad America gives everyone dialysis too. I live in a country with universal healthcare, so I sort of skimmed over the cost aspect because that wouldn’t be an issue here.
It is more the physical, quality-of-life-ruining aspects that give me the horror. I read an article once where a family of 4 all had severe permanent kidney damage from eating the wrong mushrooms.
Until I started to see stories like that I thought about fungi in terms of death/not death, and didn’t realize the life-changing injury part in between.
Your poor friend. To be fair I can’t travel anyway for health reasons, but multiple organ failure still seems worse.
As always, the dose makes the poison.
A common scenario is people picking the wrong species and then not just eating a small bite, but cooking an entire meal and eating that.
A small bite may not kill you, but just one mushroom (50g) can be enough to do it.
There are some toxic mfs out there and they can be mistaken for edible lookalikes by inexperienced foragers.
One of the people I dated once confused wild onions with Death Camas in her omelets. She and her father got extremely sick and at least one got admitted to the hospital. Luckily, nobody died. Luckily, death Camas aren’t as toxic as some mushrooms. I wouldn’t dick with mushrooms even if I had an ID book, though.
The stakes just aren’t worth it. I had a book on mushrooms as a kid, and after reading it cover to cover, I decided it just wasn’t worth the risk of misidentification. Many look similar, and the edible-looking ones are sometimes quite toxic.
Filtering by doing your research before ingesting one that should keep you from dying almost guaranteed.
In the US about 420 people die every year from salmonella poisoning usually incurred from food, often bought at the grocery store.
Meanwhile 3 people die from mushroom poisoning. And with a good book i’d say it is quite straightforward. My mushroom book provides an info for every specimen whether it has a poisonous look-alike and what specifics to look out for. If i am still uncertain, i just dont eat it.
Well, apart from that you can also make other mistakes like eating mushrooms undercooked or eating too old specimens leading to a food poisoning. Also, there are mushrooms that are quite edible for a long time but can cause organ failure and lead to death after many years.
Anyways, it seems like a really bad idea to let an AI decide what of all of this information is important and how to communicate it.
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This is my experience so don’t rely on it: Most mushrooms won’t kill you but some will make you so sick that you wished you died. Even a small bite of the deadly Destroying Angle will most likely not kill you. Only eat a very small amount of a new-to-you mushroom because even safe ones may trigger a fatal allergic reaction, also “safe” Morel mushrooms have killed people who really, really over consumed them.
Get a real “National Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Mushrooms”, book and download the “Seek” app for your phone. Find a person who experienced and go slow. NEVER get careless or over confident.
You can eat any mushroom… At least once.
You can eat lava… but only once.
Also, there are old mushroom hunters and bold mushroom hunters, but no old, bold mushroom hunters.
You can easily take a bullet to the brain… Once
Then there’s the permanent kidney failure…
It’s worth pointing out that this is because the author is a foreign national. Americans with permanent kidney failure are guaranteed Medicare even if they’re under 65, and Medicare part B covers outpatient dialysis in full. Signing that into law is one of the few good things Richard Nixon ever did.
It’s also worth pointing out that $1,000 per session cost is probably the least bad thing about dialysis.
Thanks, interesting. I’m glad America gives everyone dialysis too. I live in a country with universal healthcare, so I sort of skimmed over the cost aspect because that wouldn’t be an issue here.
It is more the physical, quality-of-life-ruining aspects that give me the horror. I read an article once where a family of 4 all had severe permanent kidney damage from eating the wrong mushrooms.
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Until I started to see stories like that I thought about fungi in terms of death/not death, and didn’t realize the life-changing injury part in between.
Your poor friend. To be fair I can’t travel anyway for health reasons, but multiple organ failure still seems worse.
As always, the dose makes the poison.
A common scenario is people picking the wrong species and then not just eating a small bite, but cooking an entire meal and eating that.
A small bite may not kill you, but just one mushroom (50g) can be enough to do it.
There are some toxic mfs out there and they can be mistaken for edible lookalikes by inexperienced foragers.
One of the people I dated once confused wild onions with Death Camas in her omelets. She and her father got extremely sick and at least one got admitted to the hospital. Luckily, nobody died. Luckily, death Camas aren’t as toxic as some mushrooms. I wouldn’t dick with mushrooms even if I had an ID book, though.
The stakes just aren’t worth it. I had a book on mushrooms as a kid, and after reading it cover to cover, I decided it just wasn’t worth the risk of misidentification. Many look similar, and the edible-looking ones are sometimes quite toxic.
People need to stop using zeroGPT it does not accurately detect ai generated text.
That’s not very reassuring
Filtering by doing your research before ingesting one that should keep you from dying almost guaranteed.
In the US about 420 people die every year from salmonella poisoning usually incurred from food, often bought at the grocery store.
Meanwhile 3 people die from mushroom poisoning. And with a good book i’d say it is quite straightforward. My mushroom book provides an info for every specimen whether it has a poisonous look-alike and what specifics to look out for. If i am still uncertain, i just dont eat it.
Just watch out for the brain worms in unprepared foods, lmao
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/aug/28/live-worm-living-womans-brain-australia-depression-forgetfulness
I don’t think it was meant to be reassuring. @rayyyy@kbin.social is right, don’t mess around with fungi. You can get irreversible kidney damage.
Well, apart from that you can also make other mistakes like eating mushrooms undercooked or eating too old specimens leading to a food poisoning. Also, there are mushrooms that are quite edible for a long time but can cause organ failure and lead to death after many years.
Anyways, it seems like a really bad idea to let an AI decide what of all of this information is important and how to communicate it.