Most Canadians who plan on voting for the Liberal party are more motivated to stop the Conservatives from winning the election rather than endorsing the party's vision and leader, according to a new poll released on Monday.
Most Canadians who plan on voting for the Liberal party are more motivated to stop the Conservatives from winning the election rather than endorsing the party’s vision and leader, according to a new poll released on Monday.
That the real source of the problem though, isn’t it?
The lack of citizen participation in our democracy. That’s one thing I admire about the system in the US and France. Anybody can represent themselves and get elected. I feel in Canada it’s a lot more complicated.
I don’t know much about the political landscape in France, but in the US you have to be wealthy to achieve political office above a certain level. When’s the last time a poor person became their President?
Most politicians in Canada are middle class, with the exception of some “star candidates” from the business and banking sectors who bring in lots of rich-friend donor money for the party.
This could just be a feature of getting good things when we give the NDP a larger share of power than usual, though. The Liberals didn’t want universal healthcare, it was a concession given to the NDP because they had to. But it’s not like a majority NDP situation at the time wouldn’t have passed it.
Much the same as dental care today. What exactly are the Liberals bringing to the table other than acting as gatekeepers making sure the system isn’t as expansive as it could be?
Why are minority gouvernements a problem? That’s when parties have to make compromises with the NDP and have no choice but to vote on stuff that finally benefit the middle class.
ABC. Anything but conservative. FPTP is winner takes all, so vote for Liberal or NDP depending on who’s more likely to get in in your area. And pray to whatever force may be that someone puts in a sensible voting system at some point.
If voting NDP had any more effect than pissing in the wind in my area I would. Unfortunately, they rarely get a significant percentage of the vote and when they do we go conservative. So it’s either hold my nose and vote lib or help a conservative who doesn’t even live in the city get in.
If polling changes to show the NDP beating the libs here I’m 100% changing my vote. Until then, the system sucks so sometimes voting sucks.
As a former resident who lived in (ugh) ol’ Stevie Harper’s riding, I totally sympathize. However, I took great pleasure in being the green blip in an otherwise homogeneous blue sea. I hope I made them insecure or at least forced them to have to hire an extra analyst…just that one little canker sore in his otherwise perfect, sterile version of Canada.
I remember seeing an analysis of FPTP and in about 70% of the elections since the 60s it favoured the Liberals against NDP and PC on a riding by riding and general election basis. It’ll be a cold day in hell before they change anything.
Which is disgusting! Their job is supposed to be about doing what is best for the people who live here, not whatever best serves the interests of their party. If there were a system that was good for the people while eliminating the concept of parties, every party should be glad to do the work of implementing it.
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Instead they should vote for the NDP. The only party that truly cares about the biddle class.
The party might, but its leader doesn’t. He’s a gilded spoon rich brat.
They all are. I’ll still vote NDP.
That the real source of the problem though, isn’t it?
The lack of citizen participation in our democracy. That’s one thing I admire about the system in the US and France. Anybody can represent themselves and get elected. I feel in Canada it’s a lot more complicated.
I don’t know much about the political landscape in France, but in the US you have to be wealthy to achieve political office above a certain level. When’s the last time a poor person became their President?
Most politicians in Canada are middle class, with the exception of some “star candidates” from the business and banking sectors who bring in lots of rich-friend donor money for the party.
God it must be so nice not having a two-party system.
Except it pretty much is a two party system with extra steps.
Well, just know that as bad as it is, you can always look south for a worse solution.
You mean with minority governments.
Minority governments have enacted everything that makes Canada good.
I would be fine with minority governments for the foreseeable future.
As you said, better policy tends to result when there needs to be some level of cross-party cooperation in order to get anything done.
This could just be a feature of getting good things when we give the NDP a larger share of power than usual, though. The Liberals didn’t want universal healthcare, it was a concession given to the NDP because they had to. But it’s not like a majority NDP situation at the time wouldn’t have passed it.
Much the same as dental care today. What exactly are the Liberals bringing to the table other than acting as gatekeepers making sure the system isn’t as expansive as it could be?
That’s part of the problem though. We can ignore our problems compared to the glaring ones next door.
Why are minority gouvernements a problem? That’s when parties have to make compromises with the NDP and have no choice but to vote on stuff that finally benefit the middle class.
I replied to the wrong comment. I meant to reply to someone saying at least we’re better than America.
I think minority governments are a big pro of our system.
Hahahaha ok no problem.
ABC. Anything but conservative. FPTP is winner takes all, so vote for Liberal or NDP depending on who’s more likely to get in in your area. And pray to whatever force may be that someone puts in a sensible voting system at some point.
Or just vote NDP regardless so that we can stop praying.
Well, because the liberals didn’t reform elections as they promised, we can’t do that.
Yeah… how convenient.
sigh…
You can, in fact, vote for NDP.
If voting NDP had any more effect than pissing in the wind in my area I would. Unfortunately, they rarely get a significant percentage of the vote and when they do we go conservative. So it’s either hold my nose and vote lib or help a conservative who doesn’t even live in the city get in.
If polling changes to show the NDP beating the libs here I’m 100% changing my vote. Until then, the system sucks so sometimes voting sucks.
As a former resident who lived in (ugh) ol’ Stevie Harper’s riding, I totally sympathize. However, I took great pleasure in being the green blip in an otherwise homogeneous blue sea. I hope I made them insecure or at least forced them to have to hire an extra analyst…just that one little canker sore in his otherwise perfect, sterile version of Canada.
Remember when Trudeau promised election reform when he was elected the first time?
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
I remember every election when I vote NDP.
We got dental and in theory pharma with this minority government. Maybe the NDP can twist their arm into voting reforms next time if we get another?
I remember seeing an analysis of FPTP and in about 70% of the elections since the 60s it favoured the Liberals against NDP and PC on a riding by riding and general election basis. It’ll be a cold day in hell before they change anything.
Which is disgusting! Their job is supposed to be about doing what is best for the people who live here, not whatever best serves the interests of their party. If there were a system that was good for the people while eliminating the concept of parties, every party should be glad to do the work of implementing it.
Local riding 🔤 it is. 👍
In any case it’s the local riding election that matters. Some folks vote as if our system is proportional with completely counterproductive results.
I really feel privileged to live in an area that’s NDP vs LPC where I can merrily vote against the Liberals.