Yeah, all the supposed centrists really buggered that one up. Didn’t exactly take a genius to figure out that if the LPC won 2021 they were highly unlikely to win the next election.
I kind of hate that I wound up in Alberta of all places, as I don’t support the UCP or agree with oil hicks and seperatists on much of anything, but I’ll be damned if I haven’t put down roots, started a family, and made a beautiful life here. I guess someone has to stick around to offer resistance and try to keep these idiots from privatizing healthcare. Red Deer nearly flipped orange last election. Never imagined I’d see that happen.
I love Alberta. I don’t love the people you’ll find in smaller communities but it’s a beautiful province and there’s a lot of great things about Edmonton and Calgary. I’d rather live here than anywhere else in the country. I just don’t know that I can.
And now god-mayor Nenshi is the candidate, and you can win an Albertan election with just Calgary and Edmonton. It feels like the Conservatives have accepted their fate and are now seeing how much shit they can get in before then.
Yes, there’s definite scapegoat action there. We see Doug Ford, you little shits. This is pretty much the trash-talk map, though, so I’ll let it slide.
As long as politics aren’t being discussed, it’s easy to forget you even live in a conservative province. For the most part everyone is just normal people going about their lives like anywhere else. I get real fucking tired of the Trudeau circle-jerk, though. I get the impression most people don’t even know enough about politics to explain why they hate him so much. A lot of them still think he controls the price of fuel.
It’s a good way to guage someone’s character, though. The moment a person you’re unfamiliar with starts talking about/blaming Trudeau, you usually know they’re not worth talking to.
Hey, at least it wasn’t Montreal. Which according to the data is the only place with mixed feelings about Alberta, likely due to being unanimously hated, even by Alberta.
His resignation tour was really interesting. He went on a rant against social media-led politicking and (iirc) kinda/sorta called for a return to big tent parties.
That’s definitely a thing too. I’m not sure it changes the trajectory of his career though.
If the PRC hadn’t meddled, and O’Toole took the 10-ish ridings he alleged were subverted (which seems like a bit of a stretch), the Conservatives still wouldn’t have been able to form government.
I think Poilievre’s revolt did more to turf O’Toole than the PRC.
From what I’ve seen, Poilievre hasn’t been nearly as hawkish on China, so the PRC certainly got lucky on that one.
Fair. Though it’s hard to say much about the extent and effect of interference in the 2021 federal election, because much of it is still not known by the public, and there is no plan for disclosure. O’Toole was briefed on matters that concerned him. All the public has gotten are vague claims that the interference “didn’t change the outcome of the election”. The notion that any citizen should find that reassuring is a chilling thought.
And from a cynic’s point of view, it’s arguable that Poilievre’s willful blindness and mealymouthed stance on national security isn’t simply a lucky outcome for foreign powers that seek to influence Canadian politics - it’s a stance that could serve to materially benefit him and his party in a federal election where interference is expected.
And more generally, when choosing a leader, are Conservatives now primed to prefer weak Poilievre-type foreign policy, instead of stronger O’Toole-type foreign policy? Probably. That’s a downstream effect and success of interference. It’s bad news all around, and I don’t think enough is made of the issue.
I take issue with the last one, though. Few Albertans want to separate - that would actually be intellectually honest. The vibe seems to be that we want to have our cake and eat it too.
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Outdated. Everyone hates Pierre Pollivere instead of O’tool now…
Kinda sad that O’tool looks so rational and centrist now comparatively
Yeah, all the supposed centrists really buggered that one up. Didn’t exactly take a genius to figure out that if the LPC won 2021 they were highly unlikely to win the next election.
Now we got PP ‘invest in crypto guys’ Milhouse who’s actually got a fucking chance.
Almost makes me miss harper
I kind of hate that I wound up in Alberta of all places, as I don’t support the UCP or agree with oil hicks and seperatists on much of anything, but I’ll be damned if I haven’t put down roots, started a family, and made a beautiful life here. I guess someone has to stick around to offer resistance and try to keep these idiots from privatizing healthcare. Red Deer nearly flipped orange last election. Never imagined I’d see that happen.
I love Alberta. I don’t love the people you’ll find in smaller communities but it’s a beautiful province and there’s a lot of great things about Edmonton and Calgary. I’d rather live here than anywhere else in the country. I just don’t know that I can.
You were only 1300 votes away from an NDP government.
And now god-mayor Nenshi is the candidate, and you can win an Albertan election with just Calgary and Edmonton. It feels like the Conservatives have accepted their fate and are now seeing how much shit they can get in before then.
It’s almost like Alberta isn’t the unlivable shithole the rest of Lemmy thinks it is and makes sure to say every fucking time it’s mentioned.
Yes, there’s definite scapegoat action there. We see Doug Ford, you little shits. This is pretty much the trash-talk map, though, so I’ll let it slide.
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Shh, we unfortunately got infected with Doug Ford and can’t seem to find a cure. We’re literally willing to try experimental drugs at this point.
I’m pretty sure drugs is how you got him
As long as politics aren’t being discussed, it’s easy to forget you even live in a conservative province. For the most part everyone is just normal people going about their lives like anywhere else. I get real fucking tired of the Trudeau circle-jerk, though. I get the impression most people don’t even know enough about politics to explain why they hate him so much. A lot of them still think he controls the price of fuel.
It’s a good way to guage someone’s character, though. The moment a person you’re unfamiliar with starts talking about/blaming Trudeau, you usually know they’re not worth talking to.
Where do you come from originally?
I came here from Michigan back in 2017.
So you’re American
Excellent deduction.
Thanks 😅
Hey, at least it wasn’t Montreal. Which according to the data is the only place with mixed feelings about Alberta, likely due to being unanimously hated, even by Alberta.
I thought the data showed Montreal definitively hates Alberta AND the rest of Canada.
I live in Montréal and I hate the ROC as much as I hate Montréal, Alberta included.
“Despises O’Toole”? Did I just get transported back in time 4 years?
Memes don’t have expiration dates, just best befores!
Better than the adjacent conservative leaders
TBF, just because he isn’t the the jead of the conservative party anymore doesn’t mean the animosity faded.
His resignation tour was really interesting. He went on a rant against social media-led politicking and (iirc) kinda/sorta called for a return to big tent parties.
Weird that a resignation tour is a thing.
In hindsight I should have liked him more.
Compared to most of the leadership alternatives, he was good. I appreciate that he didn’t want to pander to the Poilievre base.
His overthrow was inevitable. In retrospect, at least.
TFW your election campaign was provably targeted by hostile foreign powers because your foreign policy positions are contrary to their aims and goals.
That’s definitely a thing too. I’m not sure it changes the trajectory of his career though.
If the PRC hadn’t meddled, and O’Toole took the 10-ish ridings he alleged were subverted (which seems like a bit of a stretch), the Conservatives still wouldn’t have been able to form government.
I think Poilievre’s revolt did more to turf O’Toole than the PRC.
From what I’ve seen, Poilievre hasn’t been nearly as hawkish on China, so the PRC certainly got lucky on that one.
Fair. Though it’s hard to say much about the extent and effect of interference in the 2021 federal election, because much of it is still not known by the public, and there is no plan for disclosure. O’Toole was briefed on matters that concerned him. All the public has gotten are vague claims that the interference “didn’t change the outcome of the election”. The notion that any citizen should find that reassuring is a chilling thought.
And from a cynic’s point of view, it’s arguable that Poilievre’s willful blindness and mealymouthed stance on national security isn’t simply a lucky outcome for foreign powers that seek to influence Canadian politics - it’s a stance that could serve to materially benefit him and his party in a federal election where interference is expected.
And more generally, when choosing a leader, are Conservatives now primed to prefer weak Poilievre-type foreign policy, instead of stronger O’Toole-type foreign policy? Probably. That’s a downstream effect and success of interference. It’s bad news all around, and I don’t think enough is made of the issue.
Remember his wife, Rebecca?
This is all true. Kinda surprising. Memes about Canada are usually pretty incorrect.
So even Toronto hates Toronto? Huh. TIL
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Nice!
I take issue with the last one, though. Few Albertans want to separate - that would actually be intellectually honest. The vibe seems to be that we want to have our cake and eat it too.
Quebec doesn’t deserve Montreal, make it its own province.
Hating Toronto is really the great Canadian unifier, even for Torontonians.
In case you’re curious, the drinking age in Quebec is, in fact, 18.
It’s just a suggestion.
Convenience store employees are unlikely to see it that way lol.
Then buy you beer from a dép.
I don’t understand
In Québec a convience store is called a dépanneur.
A dépanneur is a convenience store my dude
Quebec is also where I learned the phrase “No cop, no stop.”
But I think they were arrested for not saying arrêt.
Quebec is where I learned to channel Peggy Hill if someone tries to force me to speak French. Maintenant, Repeté!
Jay parlay Fran-says tray bee-in. Jay-tude en laycole, quart ans.
About that time they switch to English, and beg me to never attempt to speak French again
Lol.
J’comprend Français, bien. J’parle Français un peu.