Hey everyone,
Wow, what a wild ride, huh? From those first brainstorming sessions that sparked Calckey, to the epic journey that brings us here today, rebranding as Firefish - I've gotta say, I'm seriously blown away.
One year ago, Calckey was just my side project, after being a Misskey contributor for a while. But when y'all jumped on board, you made it so much more. You transformed it from my dream to our reality.
Firefish isn't just a cool name. It's everything we've been working towards. It's late nights, strong coffee, wild ideas, laughs, and even the occasional tears. It's our little space on the web where we're constantly pushing for the next big thing, and always looking out for one another.
So here we are, at the start of something new. Firefish is more than just a rebrand - it's a celebration. A celebration of you, me, and us. It's a tribute to the amazing community we've built together. Firefish is all of YOU.
We put together video that I feel really gets to the heart of Firefish. We wanted to show you guys what this whole journey has meant to us, and how excited we are to be taking this next step together.
Before I go, I just want to say a big, massive, thank you. Thank you to all the patrons who supported this. Thank you to @blackspike@mastodon.cloud for the absolutely stunning logo. Thank you @angelolz for the beautiful trailer. Thank you to our development team who's made some amazing strides. And thank you all for believing in this wild idea, thank you for your support, and thank you for being part of the coolest community on the web. You guys are the real backbone of all this.
Here's to the next chapter of our journey as Firefish. Exciting times ahead, and I can't wait to see where we go from here!
Posts will shortly follow with release notes, roadmaps, technical details, migration plans. I'll keep this thread updated.
Much love,
Kainoa
https://joinfirefish.org/
@firefish@fedi.software 📎
Calckey/Firefish is based off of Misskey, a powerful microblogging server on ActivityPub with features such as emoji reactions, a customizable web UI, rich chatting.
Wow, what a wild ride, huh? From those first brainstorming sessions that sparked Calckey, to the epic journey that brings us here today, rebranding as Firefish - I’ve gotta say, I’m seriously blown away.
One year ago, Calckey was just my side project, after being a Misskey contributor for a while. But when y’all jumped on board, you made it so much more. You transformed it from my dream to our reality.
Firefish isn’t just a cool name. It’s everything we’ve been working towards. It’s late nights, strong coffee, wild ideas, laughs, and even the occasional tears. It’s our little space on the web where we’re constantly pushing for the next big thing, and always looking out for one another.
So here we are, at the start of something new. Firefish is more than just a rebrand - it’s a celebration. A celebration of you, me, and us. It’s a tribute to the amazing community we’ve built together. Firefish is all of YOU.
It also sounds too much like Firefox. But either way, it doesn’t sound like accounting software anymore which was my issue with calckey’s branding prior to now anyway lmao
But it’s by far the best fediverse platform I’ve used from a functionality standpoint and I’m quite fond of it so hopefully this puts more eyes on it
A lot of issues with PWAs on iPhone are due to Apple limitations. Maybe one day Apple will improve their support for PWAs. The thing is that they have no incentive to make the experience as good as apps, since they can’t charge their Apple Tax (30%) for purchases in a PWA.
I’m on Sakurajima.social because it was partered with the small anime-oriented masto instance I used previously so it felt like an easy swap and i could trust the moderation policy but my advice is, if you wanna use it like mastodon find a small instance where you can trust the mods and talk to them, and if you want to use it like its own platform (using channels, namely) find the biggest instance that’s catered towards the niche you’re most passionate about. Channels are a big feature sell of firefish for me so being on an anime-centric instance makes a lot of sense for me :)
Replacement yes, but also its own thing that doesn’t really care about replacing Twitter. I like to think of it as kinda a fusion of MySpace and Twitter.
Not a tumblr user, but AFAIU, the post length or lack of character limit kinda tracks, but on the fediverse character limits like twitter and mastodon are much more forgiving basically everywhere else, so I’m not sure that’s a major factor. Plus, the colorful graphics and theme customisation and UI options are a big part of firefish/calckey, and I’m not sure that’s a thing on tumblr.
I’m on calckey.social … now probably firefish.social (as in they’re making the change today).
It’s the main flagship-style instance. But they’ve been having performance issues for a month or so that aren’t fatal but not ideal. There’s a good chance the move to the new server (ie firefish.social) will fix all that but I wouldn’t guarantee that.
Other than that I’m not really sure. blahaz.zone seems to be run well. the admins of infosecexchange and mastodon.world also run instances, but I’m not sure how they’re going. So, firefish.social is probably the best recommendation … though there are actually a number of instances out there!
I don’t like it. I did sign up for an instance though just to poke around. Seems nice! Not sure if I’ll use it over Lemmy / Mastodon combo though. My attention can only go so many directions.
The name is way too similar to the Firefox trademark and could create the impression that Firefish is associated with Mozilla. I suspect some lawyers are currently in a huddle trying to figure out how to send a Cease and Desist letter that won’t completely piss off the community.
(Trademark law, at least in the US where Mozilla is headquartered, requires organizations to actively defend their trademarks. So just ignoring Firefish would be risky, even if they don’t actually mind the similarity.)
What’s the reasonable extent of their trade mark? Anything involving “Fire” + “animal” … or “animals” starting with “f”? Actually, now that I think that through, “fish” alliterating with “fox”, and the non-trivial amount of “fox”/“furry” love on the platform does make this seem like a less trivial issue.
But still … it seems to be in the space of similar but not trade mark infringement no?
Good question! Whether it’s actually infringement is a legal judgment I’m certainly not qualified to make. 🙂 But my understanding is that it hinges on whether a court thinks a “reasonable person” could be confused. For example, a clothing brand called “Firefoxy” would probably be in the clear since Mozilla isn’t in the clothing business. And maybe even a clothing brand named “Firefox” might be okay! For example, Apple Computer and Apple Records (founded by The Beatles) coexisted nicely for a long time until Apple Computer started getting into the music-selling business. I forget how it got resolved (maybe a licensing agreement?) but The Beatles’ music wasn’t available on the iTunes Music Store for a looooong time while that dispute was going on.
Firefish is an online service and software package, the very space Mozilla operates in, so there’s at least a case to be made that reasonable people might incorrectly assume it’s from Mozilla. It’s come up many times in this discussion already, and we as active Fediverse users are already pretty well informed about this!
Yea it might fall into the “similar, but not really infringement, but similar enough to cause some headaches especially for a very small volunteer run social media platform” territory.
Imo more people would use them if they were called something clearer. Saved search. Custom timeline or feed. Something like that. But yeah they are awesome
Firefish née Calckey is a microblogging platform like Mastodon, but that’s about all it has in common. Firefish has extra features like emoji reactions (like Facebook’s, but you can use any emoji, including custom emoji), quote posts, and better support for deep threads (it displays replies in a tree view like Lemmy or Kbin, unlike Mastodon which tries to linearize them and makes them a confusing mess). it also supports text formatting like bold, italics, headings, custom link text, and even animations (don’t worry, they don’t autoplay). it’s even themable, and supports migrating posts from other accounts so you don’t have to start over!
I like that they’ve read the memo about fediverse projects being named after animals, but firefish doesn’t fit. They should have gone with Coelacanth or something like that… but easier to spell.
Really don’t know how they thought of the name Firefish without thinking it would make people think of Firefox first. Like how did they brainstorm this name, it makes me wonder
Huh interesting. I immediately had a positive reaction to the name because of this. Love Firefox. already loved Calckey err I mean Firefish though so I suppose I am not objective.
It really conveys the open and user control centric nature of the project. An homage to the fox. You have now not just the fox but the fish with which you can tame the raging fires of the web. Fish makes more sense than fox too cause the web is like an ocean. Idk just thoughts
I adore Calckey/Firefish. It’s amazing software, but these are both pretty bad names. lol
I guess Firefish is better, because it sounds like software you’d want to use and not something you have to put up with to file a tax return, but also… why?
All these federated services suffer from similar well-publicized problems, but Calckey appears to offer one of the nicer user interface schemes so far. Though unrelated, maybe the rebrand can help build mindshare for Firefox.
It’s not just specific to Clackey, but I really hate when sites hijack the right-click menu, either to remove options, or to modify it for “theme”. I get that it looks pretty wrt to the site’s theme, but seriously, leave browser controls the fuck alone.
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I like the new name.
Firefish sounds like what someone would call malware targeting Firefox users. I was hoping the name would be better.
Anyone remember Firesheep?
Calckey was a bloody awful name because it was hard to say and difficult to know how to say.
Firefish fixes that but is honestly quite generic.
Either way, I wish them the best.
“Firefish isn’t just a cool name”
Yeah, it’s also a generic name that isn’t very good?
It also sounds too much like Firefox. But either way, it doesn’t sound like accounting software anymore which was my issue with calckey’s branding prior to now anyway lmao
But it’s by far the best fediverse platform I’ve used from a functionality standpoint and I’m quite fond of it so hopefully this puts more eyes on it
Agreed. I just wish they had native mobile apps. The PWA on iPhone is good, but not as snappy as a native app. The design otherwise is soooo nice.
A lot of issues with PWAs on iPhone are due to Apple limitations. Maybe one day Apple will improve their support for PWAs. The thing is that they have no incentive to make the experience as good as apps, since they can’t charge their Apple Tax (30%) for purchases in a PWA.
@pixel any recommendations for some cool Calckey instances to try?
I’m on Sakurajima.social because it was partered with the small anime-oriented masto instance I used previously so it felt like an easy swap and i could trust the moderation policy but my advice is, if you wanna use it like mastodon find a small instance where you can trust the mods and talk to them, and if you want to use it like its own platform (using channels, namely) find the biggest instance that’s catered towards the niche you’re most passionate about. Channels are a big feature sell of firefish for me so being on an anime-centric instance makes a lot of sense for me :)
Cheers. It’ll be fun to explore.
Firefox, but make it wet
(I don’t know if it’s a worse than “calckey” tbf)
Waterfox is already a thing
Wow checking out the site now, Calckey/Firefish looks great. Is this meant to be another Fediverse replacement for Twitter?
Replacement yes, but also its own thing that doesn’t really care about replacing Twitter. I like to think of it as kinda a fusion of MySpace and Twitter.
MySpace…that’s a name I haven’t heard muttered in years…
Will Tom be my friend?
I’ve heard it compared to Tumblr
Not a tumblr user, but AFAIU, the post length or lack of character limit kinda tracks, but on the fediverse character limits like twitter and mastodon are much more forgiving basically everywhere else, so I’m not sure that’s a major factor. Plus, the colorful graphics and theme customisation and UI options are a big part of firefish/calckey, and I’m not sure that’s a thing on tumblr.
Any recommendations for good instances to try?
I’m on calckey.social … now probably firefish.social (as in they’re making the change today).
It’s the main flagship-style instance. But they’ve been having performance issues for a month or so that aren’t fatal but not ideal. There’s a good chance the move to the new server (ie firefish.social) will fix all that but I wouldn’t guarantee that.
Other than that I’m not really sure. blahaz.zone seems to be run well. the admins of infosecexchange and mastodon.world also run instances, but I’m not sure how they’re going. So, firefish.social is probably the best recommendation … though there are actually a number of instances out there!
Cool! Thanks - I’ll check them out.
I wonder what the overlap of Calckey users and Beehaw users is.
That’ll be me 😏
I don’t like it. I did sign up for an instance though just to poke around. Seems nice! Not sure if I’ll use it over Lemmy / Mastodon combo though. My attention can only go so many directions.
The name is way too similar to the Firefox trademark and could create the impression that Firefish is associated with Mozilla. I suspect some lawyers are currently in a huddle trying to figure out how to send a Cease and Desist letter that won’t completely piss off the community.
(Trademark law, at least in the US where Mozilla is headquartered, requires organizations to actively defend their trademarks. So just ignoring Firefish would be risky, even if they don’t actually mind the similarity.)
What’s the reasonable extent of their trade mark? Anything involving “Fire” + “animal” … or “animals” starting with “f”? Actually, now that I think that through, “fish” alliterating with “fox”, and the non-trivial amount of “fox”/“furry” love on the platform does make this seem like a less trivial issue.
But still … it seems to be in the space of similar but not trade mark infringement no?
Good question! Whether it’s actually infringement is a legal judgment I’m certainly not qualified to make. 🙂 But my understanding is that it hinges on whether a court thinks a “reasonable person” could be confused. For example, a clothing brand called “Firefoxy” would probably be in the clear since Mozilla isn’t in the clothing business. And maybe even a clothing brand named “Firefox” might be okay! For example, Apple Computer and Apple Records (founded by The Beatles) coexisted nicely for a long time until Apple Computer started getting into the music-selling business. I forget how it got resolved (maybe a licensing agreement?) but The Beatles’ music wasn’t available on the iTunes Music Store for a looooong time while that dispute was going on.
Firefish is an online service and software package, the very space Mozilla operates in, so there’s at least a case to be made that reasonable people might incorrectly assume it’s from Mozilla. It’s come up many times in this discussion already, and we as active Fediverse users are already pretty well informed about this!
Yea it might fall into the “similar, but not really infringement, but similar enough to cause some headaches especially for a very small volunteer run social media platform” territory.
Thanks for the response!!
So what actually is calckey/firefish? Is it just trying to be Twitter? Is it meaningfully different to Mastodon?
It’s Mastodon with a better featureset and UX. Forked from the well-established Fediverse platform MissKey. Some things I like:
Antennae are such a neat feature that I have yet to play around with.
Imo more people would use them if they were called something clearer. Saved search. Custom timeline or feed. Something like that. But yeah they are awesome
Could you elaborate on this? lol
Your avatar gets cat ears (more like extra triangles like cat ears on your avatar)
Well that’s pretty fun. Thanks for sharing.
Firefish née Calckey is a microblogging platform like Mastodon, but that’s about all it has in common. Firefish has extra features like emoji reactions (like Facebook’s, but you can use any emoji, including custom emoji), quote posts, and better support for deep threads (it displays replies in a tree view like Lemmy or Kbin, unlike Mastodon which tries to linearize them and makes them a confusing mess). it also supports text formatting like bold, italics, headings, custom link text, and even animations (don’t worry, they don’t autoplay). it’s even themable, and supports migrating posts from other accounts so you don’t have to start over!
I like that they’ve read the memo about fediverse projects being named after animals, but firefish doesn’t fit. They should have gone with Coelacanth or something like that… but easier to spell.
Really don’t know how they thought of the name Firefish without thinking it would make people think of Firefox first. Like how did they brainstorm this name, it makes me wonder
Huh interesting. I immediately had a positive reaction to the name because of this. Love Firefox. already loved Calckey err I mean Firefish though so I suppose I am not objective.
It really conveys the open and user control centric nature of the project. An homage to the fox. You have now not just the fox but the fish with which you can tame the raging fires of the web. Fish makes more sense than fox too cause the web is like an ocean. Idk just thoughts
This may be intentional. Wouldn’t be the first time.
Was Lavafish taken?
I adore Calckey/Firefish. It’s amazing software, but these are both pretty bad names. lol
I guess Firefish is better, because it sounds like software you’d want to use and not something you have to put up with to file a tax return, but also… why?
Calckey is functionally 39584882x better than Mastodon but I’ve tried several servers now that are all pretty weak.
Yeah… They’re definitely 0-2 on naming…
All these federated services suffer from similar well-publicized problems, but Calckey appears to offer one of the nicer user interface schemes so far. Though unrelated, maybe the rebrand can help build mindshare for Firefox.
It’s not just specific to Clackey, but I really hate when sites hijack the right-click menu, either to remove options, or to modify it for “theme”. I get that it looks pretty wrt to the site’s theme, but seriously, leave browser controls the fuck alone.
You can hold shift while right-clicking in Firefox to bypass any custom right-click code and always show the browser’s native context menu.
At least I think it’s shift. Might be alt.
Fire… fish? Okaaaay…