I started getting into torrents about 2 years ago, at the time I started out with downloading YIFY rips and x265 RARBG encodes. I didn’t care about the quality at the time, I was just happy to get movies. But I also wanted stuff like Special Features, and while Tigole and the QxR team occasionally added them for some of their movies, it felt like something was missing.
Eventually I grew dissatisfied with encodes, and wanted to watch movies in the highest quality possible. I would have downloaded BDMVs, but no one seemed to be seeding them, or in the case of less-mainstream/obscure movies, they weren’t on public trackers at all. (I tried downloading REMUXes from FGT, but they always replaced the PGS subtitles with UTF text subtitles, which I didn’t appreciate.) So in early 2022 I bought myself a Blu-ray optical drive, set up MakeMKV, and bought the Blu-ray of the movie I wanted to rip. After that, I bought some more BDs to rip, and I started making my own REMUXes. Some time after that, I flashed my drive with the LibreDrive firmware so I could rip my 4K UHD discs too.
So anyway, my point is that the arguments that piracy is “bad for business” and causes companies to “lose money” are full of hot air. If anything, piracy is good for them and increases sales. There have been numerous occasions where I have wanted to download a REMUX and there were no seeders, and decided it would be easier for me to buy the disc and rip it myself.
So, the main takeaways are:
Piracy isn’t nearly as bad as the authorities say it is, and may actually increase sales.
Create good-quality encodes.
Seed all your torrents.
TL;DR: Started buying and ripping my own Blu-rays due to dissatisfaction with low-quality encodes and lack of seeders.
Ehhhhh, sorta’. I’ve spent WAY more money thanks to Steam than I would have without it, but I’m still buying everything on sale and cheaper than anyone I know with a console. I think price is still a bit part of the equation for me. Some games that refuse to ever have a decent sale are making me consider the high seas again as they stagnate on my waitlist.
And companies just don’t seem to get it. They saw Netflix boom in popularity and said, “Hey, I wanna do that,” without realizing that having all your content in one platform was what made it so successful.
Yep.
The video entertainment industry had a great solution to piracy in Netflix and it had moved piracy out of the mainstream… Then companies got competitive and content became fractured across a multitude of platforms.
I would have continued to pay a steadily increasing price for Netflix if they kept being a “one stop shop” for content.
I was very annoyed when they dropped Mythbusters and Dr Who halfway through me watching them, and then loosing all the Disney movies was just a nail in the coffin.
Even if it cost less, I could not be bothered to maintain multiple subscriptions/accounts/passwords for the content I want.
Heh, I actually had greedy when intially typing the comment and changed it after some thought.
Greedy might be more apt, as from basic economics you would think price should come down as more players entered the market… But we’ve seen the opposite.
The price of the subscription isnt what bother me personally though, I used to pay alot more for cable, its more the quanity of subscriptions/ accounts/apps that have to be used that drove me away.
Yep, it was greed, pure and simple. After seeing how wildly successful Netflix and Hulu were, companies that owned ip weren’t content in just having a small piece of the pie. No, they needed the whole thing.
I hope all of these late-coming streaming services burn to the ground. And I LOVE streaming their content for free.
Similar outcome. At this point, I mostly just rent 4k online because my massive Plex library has bit-for-bit Blu-ray rips of everything I care about enough to have on hand. But I spent years building that library by ripping physical media.
I still buy and rip CDs because I love album art and want high quality. If not for the former, I’d likely go flacc or lossless and buy online.
The problem is you’re obsessed with movies to do such things. Just download 1080 and watch it on your tv or mobile and that’s it, you watched a movie. And if you’re willing to help the community, encode, seed, distribute and that’s enough.
I’ve ripped a good number of blu-rays to network storage. If you’re looking for older, less popular stuff it’s the best option. And older releases are usually just a few bucks. The new stuff I torrent because I can usually find a decent rip, but for stuff I want to put in my library a rip from optical disk is the best, but not free of course. You can even do it for free, public libraries often have a good collection of older releases on optical disk.
@TheImpressiveX if you don’t have money to spend but the movie is older, one can also hit up charity stores. I find good Blu ray and dvds for a few dollars at the local st Vincent DePaul stores all the time. It takes patience but it pays off. I’ve got some great full seasons of TV shows too for like $5
Just check disk for damage before buying and that the right disk is in the right box.
I believe an eu commissioned report reflected this and has been picked up several times throughout the years. I must admit I’ve never gone through and read it though
Avid reader here, and I sometimes browse books on pirate bay. When I find one I like I download the ebook and if I read it I also buy a print edition. Not everyone does that, of course, but in my case piracy generates sales.
Same for music for me. Only difference now, I get to choose where my money goes. Instead of some streaming company giving next to nothing to the bands I listen to and everything else going to some super popular stuff I don’t enjoy.
Yeah, I’ve spent more money on smaller bands through Bandcamp then I ever have on streaming services, all thanks to piracy, since I realized it’s much better for offline files.
This happened to me too. I download movies and shows onto my plex and watch them at my leisure. If I love a show or movie I get the Blu-ray and watch it in 4K/atmos! It’s nice being able to sample things before buying.
That was shown in the early days of Metallica’s (fuck Metallica, btw) bullshit with Napster. The music fans were downloading music, as well as buying music, more.
Sure but I doubt that would be true today. Do people forget we had very limited bandwidth compared to today and lots of the encodes where low bitrate and sucked. Not to mention most people where downloading the mp3 and burning them to CDs back then also.
Fucking Lars. Metallica just did not get it and attacked their fans. Nobody had a problem paying for the music, they just wanted to be able to download it. They didn’t want a CD they wanted an MP3.
I was a huge Metallica fan. Saw them for both Ride the Lightning and Justice when they toured. Most of us got into them by pirating (ie, copying album->tape or tape->tape for/from friends). I spent more on their tickets and concert tees than I would have buying their albums. But after Lars and that Napster shit, I just figured they were dead to me. Haven’t listened to them since.
Oh man, you brought up a really good point. There’s the albums, and then there’s the merch. Metallica junkies would have like 20 band shirts and so much Metallica swag all over their places. Those guys would drop thousands of dollars. They lived for that music. When Lars came out and was basically “it’s about the money” so many fans stopped caring about the music. When they stopped caring about the music they stopped buying the merch.
Same idea with video games. There are many game franchises that I never would have gotten into as a kid if I hadn’t been able to pirate them. I usually still pirate games to try them out, and if I end up enjoying it or want features like online play, I might buy it during a Steam sale.
Anymore it’s a roll of the dice whether the game is functional to a point where you would enjoy it. Most publishers don’t seem to bother with demos anymore (probably because their games are half broken) so we are largely left to create our own demos.
Command & Conquer was like that for me. I pirated Red Alert 2, but ended up buying it like six times via various collections. None of that would have happened had I not had that first pirated copy.
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Ehhhhh, sorta’. I’ve spent WAY more money thanks to Steam than I would have without it, but I’m still buying everything on sale and cheaper than anyone I know with a console. I think price is still a bit part of the equation for me. Some games that refuse to ever have a decent sale are making me consider the high seas again as they stagnate on my waitlist.
And companies just don’t seem to get it. They saw Netflix boom in popularity and said, “Hey, I wanna do that,” without realizing that having all your content in one platform was what made it so successful.
Yep. The video entertainment industry had a great solution to piracy in Netflix and it had moved piracy out of the mainstream… Then companies got competitive and content became fractured across a multitude of platforms.
My preferred solution is to only subscribe to one service at a time, and then switch, when I run out of things to watch.
This also means the providers get less money when they have less content.
“now that we finally solved one of the hardest problems we’ve ever faced, let scrap the solution!”
No, it’s actually:
“Now that we’ve gotten everyone locked into one service, let’s squeeze them for every single cent we can until they pop!”
It’s literally capitalsim’s job and it will never change.
The reason why public companies were a mistake
https://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate-accountability-history-corporations-us/
The first step is making them no longer legally people.
Yeah that’s definitely more accurate. That’s the step 3 everyone’s always missing in those 1 2 3? 4 profit! things.
I would have continued to pay a steadily increasing price for Netflix if they kept being a “one stop shop” for content.
I was very annoyed when they dropped Mythbusters and Dr Who halfway through me watching them, and then loosing all the Disney movies was just a nail in the coffin.
Even if it cost less, I could not be bothered to maintain multiple subscriptions/accounts/passwords for the content I want.
I mean, it’d not like it was their choice. I’m sure they would have loved to remain the place where everything was.
Then companies got competitive
You spelled greedy wrong
Heh, I actually had greedy when intially typing the comment and changed it after some thought.
Greedy might be more apt, as from basic economics you would think price should come down as more players entered the market… But we’ve seen the opposite.
The price of the subscription isnt what bother me personally though, I used to pay alot more for cable, its more the quanity of subscriptions/ accounts/apps that have to be used that drove me away.
Yep, it was greed, pure and simple. After seeing how wildly successful Netflix and Hulu were, companies that owned ip weren’t content in just having a small piece of the pie. No, they needed the whole thing.
I hope all of these late-coming streaming services burn to the ground. And I LOVE streaming their content for free.
Similar outcome. At this point, I mostly just rent 4k online because my massive Plex library has bit-for-bit Blu-ray rips of everything I care about enough to have on hand. But I spent years building that library by ripping physical media.
I still buy and rip CDs because I love album art and want high quality. If not for the former, I’d likely go flacc or lossless and buy online.
The problem with older media is that you have to actively create torrents, the tracker might fold, etc.
With eD2K, it’s very old school P2P filesharing, just give it a directory and the files on it are shared on the network.
Of course, the “push” part to torrent tracker sites isn’t as active.
I use both torrents and eD2K, depending on what I’m looking for.
I bought more CDs while Napster was in its heyday than the entire rest of my life combined.
The problem is you’re obsessed with movies to do such things. Just download 1080 and watch it on your tv or mobile and that’s it, you watched a movie. And if you’re willing to help the community, encode, seed, distribute and that’s enough.
I’ve ripped a good number of blu-rays to network storage. If you’re looking for older, less popular stuff it’s the best option. And older releases are usually just a few bucks. The new stuff I torrent because I can usually find a decent rip, but for stuff I want to put in my library a rip from optical disk is the best, but not free of course. You can even do it for free, public libraries often have a good collection of older releases on optical disk.
@TheImpressiveX if you don’t have money to spend but the movie is older, one can also hit up charity stores. I find good Blu ray and dvds for a few dollars at the local st Vincent DePaul stores all the time. It takes patience but it pays off. I’ve got some great full seasons of TV shows too for like $5
Just check disk for damage before buying and that the right disk is in the right box.
Various studies showed the same over the last 20-25 years. Pirating does increase revenue for companies and articles torrented.
Yah right I’d like to see a study that shows that.
I believe an eu commissioned report reflected this and has been picked up several times throughout the years. I must admit I’ve never gone through and read it though
Same here. YIFY torrents were just a gateway drug to 4k HDR blurays.
Far too much of a snob to watch those icky YIFY movies with all of their artifacts.
Avid reader here, and I sometimes browse books on pirate bay. When I find one I like I download the ebook and if I read it I also buy a print edition. Not everyone does that, of course, but in my case piracy generates sales.
I suspect your story is not unusual. Piracy is, at worst, a morally neutral action.
Same for music for me. Only difference now, I get to choose where my money goes. Instead of some streaming company giving next to nothing to the bands I listen to and everything else going to some super popular stuff I don’t enjoy.
Yeah, I’ve spent more money on smaller bands through Bandcamp then I ever have on streaming services, all thanks to piracy, since I realized it’s much better for offline files.
This happened to me too. I download movies and shows onto my plex and watch them at my leisure. If I love a show or movie I get the Blu-ray and watch it in 4K/atmos! It’s nice being able to sample things before buying.
That was shown in the early days of Metallica’s (fuck Metallica, btw) bullshit with Napster. The music fans were downloading music, as well as buying music, more.
Sure but I doubt that would be true today. Do people forget we had very limited bandwidth compared to today and lots of the encodes where low bitrate and sucked. Not to mention most people where downloading the mp3 and burning them to CDs back then also.
Fucking Lars. Metallica just did not get it and attacked their fans. Nobody had a problem paying for the music, they just wanted to be able to download it. They didn’t want a CD they wanted an MP3.
I was a huge Metallica fan. Saw them for both Ride the Lightning and Justice when they toured. Most of us got into them by pirating (ie, copying album->tape or tape->tape for/from friends). I spent more on their tickets and concert tees than I would have buying their albums. But after Lars and that Napster shit, I just figured they were dead to me. Haven’t listened to them since.
Oh man, you brought up a really good point. There’s the albums, and then there’s the merch. Metallica junkies would have like 20 band shirts and so much Metallica swag all over their places. Those guys would drop thousands of dollars. They lived for that music. When Lars came out and was basically “it’s about the money” so many fans stopped caring about the music. When they stopped caring about the music they stopped buying the merch.
Same idea with video games. There are many game franchises that I never would have gotten into as a kid if I hadn’t been able to pirate them. I usually still pirate games to try them out, and if I end up enjoying it or want features like online play, I might buy it during a Steam sale.
me too, but usually only with indie games, because triple a studios can go fuck themselves. but like Stardew valley costs $6, imma buy it
Anymore it’s a roll of the dice whether the game is functional to a point where you would enjoy it. Most publishers don’t seem to bother with demos anymore (probably because their games are half broken) so we are largely left to create our own demos.
Command & Conquer was like that for me. I pirated Red Alert 2, but ended up buying it like six times via various collections. None of that would have happened had I not had that first pirated copy.
Yeah I used to game on console but I got a steam deck thinking I would pirate shit. Then steam sales hit me like a fucking truck.