They don’t even tell you what rule it breaks. Which one do you think it might break?
In any case, every time I visit Reddit and look at my local subs (Montréal, Québec or Canada) I look at the comments and they’re absolutely vile. The community has become so fucking toxic it’s unbearable. And I also realized how my mental health actually improved since I left that community.
They can keep the permaban. I don’t give a shit anymore. I’m so over that god forsaken place.
Peace out.
Quick update:
I contancted the mods and apparently I was permabanned for spamming and they immediately muted me so I wouldn’t be able to message the mods any further. I can understand that it can be considered spamming, but I feel they’re being extremely harsh over this. They really have no chill.
I am not from Canada, but have noticed many subreddits are becoming more more toxic. Even subs that used to be somewhat reasonably moderated are nearly intolerable from the amount of trolls.
Absolutely. I think it’s because Reddit is gaining a lot of popularity, probably in huge part due to recent movies the site like Dumb Money for exemple.
Like any other social media, the more people you have, the more toxic people is seems to attract.
Yup, I’ve seen that stuff. It’d make me feel better if they were getting paid. It’s a nicer thought to me than them doing this crap because they’re truly that way.
Imagine looking at this as someone who has never heard of lemmy. You are pulling people off the forum to a place that seems to have a poorly obfuscated “fedish” in the title in order to “talk”. IDK I can see how people might assume you are a spam bot.
I don’t think they’re worried. Actually the fact that they permabanned me shows that they have plenty of users to a point they can sacrifice whoever they want.
Same, I’m from Montréal and the Reddit community for Montreal/Quebec is horrible. Sorry but they are full of leftist woke students and downvote or ban anyone who dare say that e.g. healthcare system is bad or education is bad or any truth about QC. I’ve been on Reddit for 13 or 14 years and about never posted or read those subs.
“Woke” has become a derisive term used by conservatives to describe anyone/anything socially conscious. It’s often part of a rant (or general line of thinking) involving “what’s wrong with this country/the younger generation”. For example, if you’re against things like racism, sexism, or homophobia, I’d call you a decent human being, but a conservative would likely call you “woke”.
This is the kind of “insult” that says more about the person using it than it does about you.
In any case, every time I visit Reddit and look at my local subs (Montréal, Québec or Canada) I look at the comments and they’re absolutely vile. The community has become so fucking toxic it’s unbearable. And I also realized how my mental health actually improved since I left that community.
I used to dread seeing that I had messages on Reddit. My first thought would be “Oh, what did I do now?”. On Lemmy, I’m much more interested in seeing any responses to my comments.
3 or 4 times people reported me as a risk to myself on reddit, and this suicide prevention hotline bot would then send messages with long lists of number to call.
Turning this tool into a weapon against me, simply because I am pro-vaccine was just pathetic and gross.
I’ll be happy to be proven wrong, but I don’t think Lemmy has any hope of survival as a truly global platform.
I’ve been through this a few times: Usenet, Digg, Reddit. They started off small and stayed mostly civil even though there is a wide range of opinion. Then they start growing rapidly and people see an opportunity to “get their message out”, whether that’s spam, personal aggrandizement, a political message, or whatever: exploitation vs participation. After a while it becomes just too much for some people, so they find somewhere else to congregate.
As they leave, that platform becomes ever more useless, leading to more migration. The platform eventually becomes useless even to the exploiters, so they figure out where everyone went and follow them.
And the cycle continues. I think that the cycle can only accelerate as “exploiters” become more proactive in following “participants” to new homes. That implies an eventual breakdown of the whole concept of global discussion communities. Are we seeing that already on Lemmy? I don’t know, but I’m registered on 4 different instances, each with their own primary focus, and there has already been a bit of federation/defederation drama on every one them.
I think the only way to break the cycle is to figure out a way to eliminate exploitation. That may well be impossible, at least on any platform that has global reach, centralized or not. As far as I can tell, those who would exploit a system have always found ways to do so.
Yeah, I totally get that. I think that there is this insatiable desire for the upstart site to topple the previous site. On Digg we made fun of Usenet and Fark, on Reddit we made fun of Digg, on Lemmy people are always saying “fuck Spez”.
I think that people are worried that if Lemmy doesn’t keep growing (at Reddit’s expense), then it will collapse under its own weight. I hope the federated model works out. I could easily host a Lemmy or KBin instance on my homelab.
But yeah, the depressing truth is that as soon as someone invents a profit motive, it’s only a matter of time before it’s ruined.
And it doesn’t even have to be the people running the platform or instances having a profit motive. Usenet, for example, started falling apart long before anyone tried to monetize actual hosting. Spammers alone were enough to destroy it.
Anytime you create easy enough access to a large enough group, people will try to exploit that access for their own gain. Obviously, platform and instance operators are best positioned to do so, but exploitive account holders can do plenty of damage on their own.
I’ve been through this a few times: Usenet, Digg, Reddit. They started off small and stayed mostly civil even though there is a wide range of opinion. Then they start growing rapidly and people see an opportunity to “get their message out”, whether that’s spam, personal aggrandizement, a political message, or whatever: exploitation vs participation. After a while it becomes just too much for some people, so they find somewhere else to congregate.
But is this a bad thing? Even if Lemmy ‘doesn’t survive’ (which I think is a fair way off, personally) something else will take its place. Something always does; ICQ dies, people move to AOL. Digg dies, people go to reddit, Myspace to Facebook and so on. Look at the absolute graveyards of websites where people used to congregate and play games and talk: Battle.net, Mplayer, WON.net, Digg, Usenet, AOL messenger, ICQ, Myspace, there are dozens of these things that, at the time, we felt like would always be there.
Enjoy it while it’s here. Make it the best place you can.
r/Canada is literally run with conservative propaganda efforts in mind. It’s not surprised that any attempt to pull people out of the echo chamber is met with an instant ban.
There’s a narrative going around that the subreddit is under attack by white supremacists, but honestly that’s just what Canada is like. If you know how to see their style of polite racism you’d know that they’re 300x more vile than your average American, they just hide it a lot better.
… I mean, they do have nazi moderators, but that’s like 99% of reddit.
Yeah and I feel like the users there don’t care at all about all the privacy issues and how Reddit aggressively exploits it’s users now. And they’re using AI with bots to basically generate content using old posts or comments and repost.
It’s like any other social network like Twitter and Facebook. I tell people that they need to leave for their own good, but nobody gives a damn.
It’s driving me crazy because I see the problems. I see how it’s affecting people. I can explain it to them and they’ll understand. They still refuse to leave. It’s like telling them they’re drinking poison and asking them to stop but they’re drinking it because everyone is going it anyway.
…on a thread. When I went to appeal, the admin couldn’t explain how anyone arrived at the decision, or even show the context around the comment, but upheld the decision nonetheless.
Man I can’t believe this shit’s coming over here now…
OGFT is not “the sane one” it’s controlled opposition. Their mods protect known trolls including that one that dominates their subreddit with dozens of articles that nobody ever reads. The only actual content on that subreddit is meta drama designed to rope people in. Yet still despite all of that you still have people repeating “they’re the sane ones” every single time r/cananda comes up, because it’s all they have.
Read the place as an anti-advertisement for [nazi subreddit redacted] and it makes more sense what they’re doing.
Left /r/canada because all of the racially/bigotry motivated posts I was seeing.
Got banned from ogft for suggesting that racially/bigotry motivated posts aren’t excused when the target is the group you decide is the “bad group.” and that saying such a thing is not advocating defense of the bad actors on the other side doing the same thing.
I guess just looking for a place to discuss Canadian things without people attacking others for their body they were born into, or things they otherwise have no control over is just a pipe dream.
Imagine treating unique individuals as unique individuals, and not defining them or yourself entirely by the bodies you were born into.
Yeah I enjoyed a few, but some were just nasty edgey teens trying to sound experienced in topic X. when the time came to boycott and delete my reddit account it wasn’t a hard decision.
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: !canada@lemmy.ca
I am not from Canada, but have noticed many subreddits are becoming more more toxic. Even subs that used to be somewhat reasonably moderated are nearly intolerable from the amount of trolls.
/r/canada hasn’t been reasonable in years.
Absolutely. I think it’s because Reddit is gaining a lot of popularity, probably in huge part due to recent movies the site like Dumb Money for exemple.
Like any other social media, the more people you have, the more toxic people is seems to attract.
The mods there are super sketchy. I wouldn’t be surprised if any of them are on someone’s payroll.
Maybe not payroll, but…
Yup, I’ve seen that stuff. It’d make me feel better if they were getting paid. It’s a nicer thought to me than them doing this crap because they’re truly that way.
R/quebec is just angry péquistes and r/montreal is angryphones and foreign students. R/Canada is toxic af . Yeah, reddit sucks big time now.
Same problem as Canada itself. Too many Canadians.
You need more moose or elk. Whatever that big brown 4-legged animal is.
Or Canada geese. Take those bastard’s back. Evil shits dominating our canals. Feathered Canadian cunts.
You mean “those bastards’ backs” but I think they’d only be more angry if they couldn’t stand up. #noChildLeftBehind
Imagine looking at this as someone who has never heard of lemmy. You are pulling people off the forum to a place that seems to have a poorly obfuscated “fedish” in the title in order to “talk”. IDK I can see how people might assume you are a spam bot.
that shows the people at the top of reddit are genuinely worried
Nah, the mods of /r/canada have made that subreddit into a cesspit on their own.
I don’t think they’re worried. Actually the fact that they permabanned me shows that they have plenty of users to a point they can sacrifice whoever they want.
Same, I’m from Montréal and the Reddit community for Montreal/Quebec is horrible. Sorry but they are full of leftist woke students and downvote or ban anyone who dare say that e.g. healthcare system is bad or education is bad or any truth about QC. I’ve been on Reddit for 13 or 14 years and about never posted or read those subs.
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“Woke” has become a derisive term used by conservatives to describe anyone/anything socially conscious. It’s often part of a rant (or general line of thinking) involving “what’s wrong with this country/the younger generation”. For example, if you’re against things like racism, sexism, or homophobia, I’d call you a decent human being, but a conservative would likely call you “woke”.
This is the kind of “insult” that says more about the person using it than it does about you.
You can tell a lot from a person who unironically uses woke as a term.
It was ironic, but it looks like it works to trigger people here
It wasn’t ironic mate.
Show me where woke touched you in the feelings on the doll.
Uh… No one is saying the healthcare or education systems are good. Everyone is pretty much on the same track about how much they suck.
And so far, I’ve found Lemmy to be further more to the left than on Reddit.
Reddit’s CEO is a literal neo-nazi. You would have to actively try to be more far right than them.
I know he ain’t the most ethical person, but a literal neo Nazi? That’s a bit extreme no?
I might not be aware of some of the things he’s done or said though… I haven’t been following everything he does.
You only have to do the bare minimum of research to see that guy’s ties to the extreme right.
Are the “wokes” in the room right now?
No one cares?
Ok.
So, maybe it’s best to not invite people from there to Lemmy?
I was hoping to bring awareness in case anybody else was sick and tired and wanted something fresh.
If they want to find it, they can easily find it.
I used to dread seeing that I had messages on Reddit. My first thought would be “Oh, what did I do now?”. On Lemmy, I’m much more interested in seeing any responses to my comments.
I make a new username every time I see a message in my inbox.
Boo! 👻
Right??? I get excited when I get replies here.
I get excited when people post to my c/Montreal community! It’s kinda dead unfortunately, tempted to staple posters around the city.
Yeah, the more focused the community, the less active it is. Canada is pretty active. But provincial and municipal communities aren’t as active.
I reported you because I disagree with you
😂
3 or 4 times people reported me as a risk to myself on reddit, and this suicide prevention hotline bot would then send messages with long lists of number to call.
Turning this tool into a weapon against me, simply because I am pro-vaccine was just pathetic and gross.
Scammers would do this too when you called them out on it.
Yeah I got those as well a few times. A kind of sarcastic way to tell you to off yourself when people disagree with you.
Lemmy feels like the internet used to. Not about ads and algorithms, but just people interested in things asking questions and engaging naturally.
I’ll be happy to be proven wrong, but I don’t think Lemmy has any hope of survival as a truly global platform.
I’ve been through this a few times: Usenet, Digg, Reddit. They started off small and stayed mostly civil even though there is a wide range of opinion. Then they start growing rapidly and people see an opportunity to “get their message out”, whether that’s spam, personal aggrandizement, a political message, or whatever: exploitation vs participation. After a while it becomes just too much for some people, so they find somewhere else to congregate.
As they leave, that platform becomes ever more useless, leading to more migration. The platform eventually becomes useless even to the exploiters, so they figure out where everyone went and follow them.
And the cycle continues. I think that the cycle can only accelerate as “exploiters” become more proactive in following “participants” to new homes. That implies an eventual breakdown of the whole concept of global discussion communities. Are we seeing that already on Lemmy? I don’t know, but I’m registered on 4 different instances, each with their own primary focus, and there has already been a bit of federation/defederation drama on every one them.
I think the only way to break the cycle is to figure out a way to eliminate exploitation. That may well be impossible, at least on any platform that has global reach, centralized or not. As far as I can tell, those who would exploit a system have always found ways to do so.
Yeah, I totally get that. I think that there is this insatiable desire for the upstart site to topple the previous site. On Digg we made fun of Usenet and Fark, on Reddit we made fun of Digg, on Lemmy people are always saying “fuck Spez”.
I think that people are worried that if Lemmy doesn’t keep growing (at Reddit’s expense), then it will collapse under its own weight. I hope the federated model works out. I could easily host a Lemmy or KBin instance on my homelab.
But yeah, the depressing truth is that as soon as someone invents a profit motive, it’s only a matter of time before it’s ruined.
And it doesn’t even have to be the people running the platform or instances having a profit motive. Usenet, for example, started falling apart long before anyone tried to monetize actual hosting. Spammers alone were enough to destroy it.
Anytime you create easy enough access to a large enough group, people will try to exploit that access for their own gain. Obviously, platform and instance operators are best positioned to do so, but exploitive account holders can do plenty of damage on their own.
But is this a bad thing? Even if Lemmy ‘doesn’t survive’ (which I think is a fair way off, personally) something else will take its place. Something always does; ICQ dies, people move to AOL. Digg dies, people go to reddit, Myspace to Facebook and so on. Look at the absolute graveyards of websites where people used to congregate and play games and talk: Battle.net, Mplayer, WON.net, Digg, Usenet, AOL messenger, ICQ, Myspace, there are dozens of these things that, at the time, we felt like would always be there.
Enjoy it while it’s here. Make it the best place you can.
I agree. It’s just part of the cycle.
As long as you keep your opinions that mean anything to yourself.
I get the same feeling. I hope it stays that way.
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r/Canada is literally run with conservative propaganda efforts in mind. It’s not surprised that any attempt to pull people out of the echo chamber is met with an instant ban.
Disappointing. I checked out the subreddit for crocs once and same thing. Weird how that turns out
It was like a mini The_Donald for awhile. Mods there want to keep control of a potential propaganda channel.
They’re really clinging to P.P. and good promises to help with the housing market. But we all know that won’t happen.
There’s a narrative going around that the subreddit is under attack by white supremacists, but honestly that’s just what Canada is like. If you know how to see their style of polite racism you’d know that they’re 300x more vile than your average American, they just hide it a lot better.
… I mean, they do have nazi moderators, but that’s like 99% of reddit.
Under attack? More like invited and encouraged. That was the problem.
I suspect there is something going in on reddit in general. The moment you mention Lemmy, you get down voted.
Yeah and I feel like the users there don’t care at all about all the privacy issues and how Reddit aggressively exploits it’s users now. And they’re using AI with bots to basically generate content using old posts or comments and repost.
It’s like any other social network like Twitter and Facebook. I tell people that they need to leave for their own good, but nobody gives a damn.
It’s driving me crazy because I see the problems. I see how it’s affecting people. I can explain it to them and they’ll understand. They still refuse to leave. It’s like telling them they’re drinking poison and asking them to stop but they’re drinking it because everyone is going it anyway.
You guyz are pretty chill, let’s keep it that way 😘✌️
I was banned from r/pics for a comment that read
…on a thread. When I went to appeal, the admin couldn’t explain how anyone arrived at the decision, or even show the context around the comment, but upheld the decision nonetheless.
You won’t miss Reddit. I don’t.
What a shit show lolol
/r/canada is a cesspit with a white nationalist mod.
The sane Canadians always stuck to /r/onguardforthee
Man I can’t believe this shit’s coming over here now…
OGFT is not “the sane one” it’s controlled opposition. Their mods protect known trolls including that one that dominates their subreddit with dozens of articles that nobody ever reads. The only actual content on that subreddit is meta drama designed to rope people in. Yet still despite all of that you still have people repeating “they’re the sane ones” every single time r/cananda comes up, because it’s all they have.
Read the place as an anti-advertisement for [nazi subreddit redacted] and it makes more sense what they’re doing.
Well, it sure as shit ain’t /r/canada. Perhaps it’s neither.
Left /r/canada because all of the racially/bigotry motivated posts I was seeing.
Got banned from ogft for suggesting that racially/bigotry motivated posts aren’t excused when the target is the group you decide is the “bad group.” and that saying such a thing is not advocating defense of the bad actors on the other side doing the same thing.
I guess just looking for a place to discuss Canadian things without people attacking others for their body they were born into, or things they otherwise have no control over is just a pipe dream.
Imagine treating unique individuals as unique individuals, and not defining them or yourself entirely by the bodies you were born into.
Im sorry my opinions are so spicy.
Ogft is terrible too
Reddit as a whole is terrible.
There are still some good subs
[thunderous laughter]
Yeah I enjoyed a few, but some were just nasty edgey teens trying to sound experienced in topic X. when the time came to boycott and delete my reddit account it wasn’t a hard decision.
If they were really good they’d have moved to another platform.