Pirates want to stay on Reddit? This is the last group I had expected to have such a reaction, but here we are. Yes, the mod could have worded it better, but these people actually want to stick around on Reddit.
I personally find Lemmy to be a perfectly viable alternative to Reddit for such subs. I wonder about the reasons why these people still don’t want to move.
For me, federation sounds simple in theory. In practice it’s not for end users. Forcing an instance to discover a new, unfedeated community is a pain in the ass, let alone finding that community in the first place. All these little services (e.g. listing all instances/communities) are scattered and you kind of just have to learn as you go.
The average user just wants a nice search - that searches through “all” of Lemmy - something that is obviously hard or even impossible (or even not desirable to all users)
I think the above commenter is misunderstanding that the user is also federated. All of these concepts are hard to grasp but will eventually sink in I hope.
There’s a sociological study that analyzes cultural change and acceptance of new ideas. It’s called the technology adoption lifecycle. I still think we are in the early stages. I would consider reddit refugees as the early adopters.
Sorry to hear that, but I’m guessing that might be related to your specific instance. So far I’m really happy with mine, but some are evidently struggling to keep up with the influx of Rexxiters. (and bots, maybe?)
Anyway, nothing preventing you from hitting the Fediverse from a different instance, yeah?
True. This should get better over time though! There’s not a lot of optimistic UI in Remmy and that causes the app to feel a lot slower. There’s a lot of PRs up rn to improve the frontend so maybe something will make it in soon!
To be fair, anyone who actually cares is not on reddit anymore, so you’re seeing the worst of the worst takes.
A lot of people on r/piracy are pirates by convenience, not by ethics. The sub being shut down is not convenient for them. It’s really sad to see how many people have the attention span of a goldfish, and can’t think beyond “this isn’t convenient for me today.”
Well I certainly don’t give a fuck about ethics so I just pirate cuz I want. And on that note I also use reddit sometimes because why not. I’m not here ideologically, just cuz it’s a nice place to be in. I like it here. I use lemmy more than Reddit nowadays. Reddit is a source of information and sometimes memes. Lemmy for the good place to be in.
For me, at least, there are companies worth pirating stuff from. I don’t pretend to be ethical in any way, although I do avoid pirating from indie devs. It’s been a long while since I pirated anything, tbh. I just like the community here and it’s nice to keep up with the news.
Exactly. I don’t pirate too much, I’m happy just playing my favorite video games (paid for because they are good) and talking in chat rooms, but if I wanted to play a Nintendo Game with friends I would 100% pirate it; it’s ethical in this case and I have really no other way to do it.
If they sold the old games still piracy rates would probably go down and they would get more money, so it would be pretty much a win-win for Nintendo. Or am I missing something?
No, you’re right, and that’s absolutely what I’m saying. Presently, the only avenue if you want to relive the old Pokémon games is to steal them. That, if you ask me, is big dumb
It’s important to note that the default state of people is being dumb. It takes effort, exposure and more qualities/circumstances during a person’s early years to not be dumb.
Many people just didn’t grow up in an environment that allows that, it’s actually a quite specific one that doesn’t happen automatically.
And once the early life phase is over, mental plasticity is a lot lower, so very very few people go from “dumb” to “not dumb”.
According to some old reddit has a better layout than this place and the people there are pissed at the mods for breaking their own rules for the place. Makes me trust people less and less. Especially those in positions of power. Some of the people here are great but I hope something better looking comes along cause this place has no aesthetics imo.
I have known about lemmy for a long time. Im happy its starting to have a population. Only reason I am sad to leave reddit is I have used it to save answers to my questions and save guides etc. Its more an archive for me
I feel like they don’t understand the point of the john oliver posts. Someone said it only turns the community to shit. Yeah, that is LITERALLY the reason so that people migrate away and turn reddit into a mess after spez’s decision. Oh, how quickly people forgot about the protest, spez was right.
My favourite are the comments of people saying “return the sub back to normal, this shit is stupid and isn’t doing anything! I don’t even use Apollo so I don’t care” - posted from Boost for Reddit.
A lot of people don’t even understand. They genuinely think this only affects Apollo and that Christian is being a baby lol. Can’t wait to see their faces when their app stops working and they whine.
Lemmy still has the same inherent drawbacks of Reddit, but now the mods have complete power with no admin oversight whatsoever.
The moderators of a community have no right to kill it. If people wish to leave for Lemmy, I welcome it. if the other sub died naturally, I’d migrate over here myself (the same way I migrated to Reddit gradually through dozens of forums dying naturally)
Forcefully trying to kill the sub serves no purpose other than to centralize piracy knowledge, benefit Reddits IPO by getting rid of a hated subreddit, and allow more mod censorship. Also, Lemmy isn’t indexed by google, so you’re fully reliant on the inbuilt search unlike Reddit. (which makes Lemmy less useful for finding specific content)
Lemmy is still in it’s early stages. I’m a part of 1k+ communities on Reddit and fewer than half have a prescence on Lemmy or an equivalent.
Dearth of NSFW content. (I mean really, it’s kinda sad. Even twitter has more regularly posted nsfw than Lemmy.)
UI and UX are garbage. I’ve had more 503s on Lemmy the past week than Reddit the past 8 years. The new reddit app looks & feels better than any available android app for Lemmy. (and honestly on desktop too)
Why ‘move’ ?
If the mods don’t want to moderate the old sub, then pass the torch.
Considering piracy’s focus on decentralization, y’all are oddly supportive of centralizing your content on a Lemmy instance hosted by one guy.
Which brings me to:
The person who hosts the Lemmy instance can edit the database directly just like Spez can with Reddit. You’re trading centralized power around admins for centralized power around the server host. So essentially just downgrading to the old forum days… (you know, the stuff Reddit replaced in large part.)
I’m sure this will get downvoted to hell, but these are a few reasons why the Reddit community shouldn’t be killed.
Then go open up your own sub if you want a piracy sub on reddit that much. You think it’s the name that makes a sub special? Could be /r/shitideas and if you made it focused on piracy it’d be a piracy sub. Acting like there’s something stopping you from starting up your own. If anything it being /r/shitideas would make it easier to go under the radar and attract less attention from being shut down. Step up if you want it.
Everything you say makes sense, but a pirate pledges loyalty to no man and always expects to jump ship when the time is upon them. Such is life on the high seas!
If the community as a whole feels that way, then discussion in the subreddit will naturally die off.
So why does it need to be done forcefully with a rule? Why force people to migrate? If Lemmy is so compelling, everyone will naturally switch over and it’ll win out.
Lemmy IS indexed by Google. Try searching for “site:lemmy.world” for instance.
Also, if it you don’t like the way one admin is running their communities/server then you can move to another server/community and be completely out of the control of the first.
Try doing that on Reddit.
yesthe UI/UX is bad, but i am pationt enough to wait the few weeks until alternativev pop up that really should be nice. Like Sync. I know there is an 3 party website already but i did not try to really use it and forgot the url
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
⚓ Dedicated to the discussion of digital piracy, including ethical problems and legal advancements.
From what I’ve gathered people generally like using shitty platforms.
Because Lemmy isn’t as conveniently accessed, and it’s just slow.
It’s also confusing.
Can you mention the specific points of confusion that have impeded your experience here?
For me, federation sounds simple in theory. In practice it’s not for end users. Forcing an instance to discover a new, unfedeated community is a pain in the ass, let alone finding that community in the first place. All these little services (e.g. listing all instances/communities) are scattered and you kind of just have to learn as you go.
The average user just wants a nice search - that searches through “all” of Lemmy - something that is obviously hard or even impossible (or even not desirable to all users)
I think the above commenter is misunderstanding that the user is also federated. All of these concepts are hard to grasp but will eventually sink in I hope.
There’s a sociological study that analyzes cultural change and acceptance of new ideas. It’s called the technology adoption lifecycle. I still think we are in the early stages. I would consider reddit refugees as the early adopters.
It’s so hard to join lemmy now, and everything lags in lemmy even just an upvote…
Sorry to hear that, but I’m guessing that might be related to your specific instance. So far I’m really happy with mine, but some are evidently struggling to keep up with the influx of Rexxiters. (and bots, maybe?)
Anyway, nothing preventing you from hitting the Fediverse from a different instance, yeah?
Come join the rest of us sh.itheads on sh.itjust.works!
True. This should get better over time though! There’s not a lot of optimistic UI in Remmy and that causes the app to feel a lot slower. There’s a lot of PRs up rn to improve the frontend so maybe something will make it in soon!
I’ve not had any issues? Try another instance, Lemmy.world is very popular and works well.
I’m having lag on lemmy.world. Sometimes just spins for 5+ minutes just to upvote. Sometimes posts won’t create at all, just spins and spins.
Hm, perhaps clear cache? They recently upgraded and that can fix some issues.
same thing is happening to me. I might try making an account on another instance
I haven’t been able to upvote a post in a few days.
Every one just sits there for 60s then:
This is definitely instance related. I have not experienced any issues what so ever since joining.
To be fair, anyone who actually cares is not on reddit anymore, so you’re seeing the worst of the worst takes.
A lot of people on r/piracy are pirates by convenience, not by ethics. The sub being shut down is not convenient for them. It’s really sad to see how many people have the attention span of a goldfish, and can’t think beyond “this isn’t convenient for me today.”
Pirates by ethics = root of socialism, anarchism?
Pirates by convenience = root of capitalism and imperialism?
Well I certainly don’t give a fuck about ethics so I just pirate cuz I want. And on that note I also use reddit sometimes because why not. I’m not here ideologically, just cuz it’s a nice place to be in. I like it here. I use lemmy more than Reddit nowadays. Reddit is a source of information and sometimes memes. Lemmy for the good place to be in.
For me, at least, there are companies worth pirating stuff from. I don’t pretend to be ethical in any way, although I do avoid pirating from indie devs. It’s been a long while since I pirated anything, tbh. I just like the community here and it’s nice to keep up with the news.
Exactly. I don’t pirate too much, I’m happy just playing my favorite video games (paid for because they are good) and talking in chat rooms, but if I wanted to play a Nintendo Game with friends I would 100% pirate it; it’s ethical in this case and I have really no other way to do it.
Especially their back catalog. Nintendo is sitting on tons of lost money for reasons I don’t really understand
If they sold the old games still piracy rates would probably go down and they would get more money, so it would be pretty much a win-win for Nintendo. Or am I missing something?
No, you’re right, and that’s absolutely what I’m saying. Presently, the only avenue if you want to relive the old Pokémon games is to steal them. That, if you ask me, is big dumb
People are dumb bud… there is, just a lot of plain dumb people out there.
Why? Idk bud, people are dumb just that no more questions about it. People are dumb.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Some days I think “People can’t possibly be that dumb, right?” and them I’m let down every time, 'cause they are.
Seems to apply to everything involving people.
It’s important to note that the default state of people is being dumb. It takes effort, exposure and more qualities/circumstances during a person’s early years to not be dumb.
Many people just didn’t grow up in an environment that allows that, it’s actually a quite specific one that doesn’t happen automatically.
And once the early life phase is over, mental plasticity is a lot lower, so very very few people go from “dumb” to “not dumb”.
If you want to be less dumb, I can really recommend https://lesswrong.com/rationality
What do you expect? All sensible people are probably already left the sub at this point, as evidenced by all those comments in the post you linked.
Mass scale brain drain that’s only going to get worse
According to some old reddit has a better layout than this place and the people there are pissed at the mods for breaking their own rules for the place. Makes me trust people less and less. Especially those in positions of power. Some of the people here are great but I hope something better looking comes along cause this place has no aesthetics imo.
It already has an established platform with so much information people won’t switch becouse reddit already has all information they need
I imagine most people are like me and have an old account and communities they like.
It’s similar to why people don’t e.g. flee states like Florida.
It’s kinda dumb, but I get the feeling. They should just realize they can use both sites
I have known about lemmy for a long time. Im happy its starting to have a population. Only reason I am sad to leave reddit is I have used it to save answers to my questions and save guides etc. Its more an archive for me
I’ve actually had lemmy results come up in google the last few days sometimes, so maybe more people just need to use it.
Granted, those questions were lemmy related, but it’s a start
I feel like they don’t understand the point of the john oliver posts. Someone said it only turns the community to shit. Yeah, that is LITERALLY the reason so that people migrate away and turn reddit into a mess after spez’s decision. Oh, how quickly people forgot about the protest, spez was right.
My favourite are the comments of people saying “return the sub back to normal, this shit is stupid and isn’t doing anything! I don’t even use Apollo so I don’t care” - posted from Boost for Reddit.
A lot of people don’t even understand. They genuinely think this only affects Apollo and that Christian is being a baby lol. Can’t wait to see their faces when their app stops working and they whine.
they’ll have to manage using the Reddit app to whine, so there will be a delay!
to be fair what’s happening is the folks who didn’t jump ship are now the loudest voices. Good luck with that brain drain reddit
Lemmy still has the same inherent drawbacks of Reddit, but now the mods have complete power with no admin oversight whatsoever.
The moderators of a community have no right to kill it. If people wish to leave for Lemmy, I welcome it. if the other sub died naturally, I’d migrate over here myself (the same way I migrated to Reddit gradually through dozens of forums dying naturally)
Forcefully trying to kill the sub serves no purpose other than to centralize piracy knowledge, benefit Reddits IPO by getting rid of a hated subreddit, and allow more mod censorship. Also, Lemmy isn’t indexed by google, so you’re fully reliant on the inbuilt search unlike Reddit. (which makes Lemmy less useful for finding specific content)
Lemmy is still in it’s early stages. I’m a part of 1k+ communities on Reddit and fewer than half have a prescence on Lemmy or an equivalent.
Dearth of NSFW content. (I mean really, it’s kinda sad. Even twitter has more regularly posted nsfw than Lemmy.)
UI and UX are garbage. I’ve had more 503s on Lemmy the past week than Reddit the past 8 years. The new reddit app looks & feels better than any available android app for Lemmy. (and honestly on desktop too)
Why ‘move’ ?
If the mods don’t want to moderate the old sub, then pass the torch.
Considering piracy’s focus on decentralization, y’all are oddly supportive of centralizing your content on a Lemmy instance hosted by one guy.
Which brings me to:
I’m sure this will get downvoted to hell, but these are a few reasons why the Reddit community shouldn’t be killed.
Then go open up your own sub if you want a piracy sub on reddit that much. You think it’s the name that makes a sub special? Could be /r/shitideas and if you made it focused on piracy it’d be a piracy sub. Acting like there’s something stopping you from starting up your own. If anything it being /r/shitideas would make it easier to go under the radar and attract less attention from being shut down. Step up if you want it.
Everything you say makes sense, but a pirate pledges loyalty to no man and always expects to jump ship when the time is upon them. Such is life on the high seas!
If the community as a whole feels that way, then discussion in the subreddit will naturally die off.
So why does it need to be done forcefully with a rule? Why force people to migrate? If Lemmy is so compelling, everyone will naturally switch over and it’ll win out.
Lemmy IS indexed by Google. Try searching for “site:lemmy.world” for instance. Also, if it you don’t like the way one admin is running their communities/server then you can move to another server/community and be completely out of the control of the first. Try doing that on Reddit.
yesthe UI/UX is bad, but i am pationt enough to wait the few weeks until alternativev pop up that really should be nice. Like Sync. I know there is an 3 party website already but i did not try to really use it and forgot the url
Habit spawns laziness and stupidity as well as a false sense of loyalty.
Because people resent change.