Try changing instance. I hopped through a few and it is working again. I think they might have blocked a few of the instances making libre unable to load content
I went back to Newpipe from Libretube because it became unusable and I got tired from waiting for hotfixed whenever Google got ahead in the cat and mouse game and having to jump between instances
I don’t think YouTube became profitable, so I don’t know what you expected here? You aren’t entitled to a service they operates at a loss for your personal enjoyment. If you believe you’re entitled to that, then by all means start your own YouTube and put your money where your mouth is.
YouTube is still around is because Google believes that YouTube could become profitable eventually. YouTube earns money with ads and a premium subscription, which many people consider overpriced already. Since the premium subscription is overpriced already, they can only crank up the ads.
This reminds of Twitch, whose service is more expensive to operate than YouTube, except that viable alternatives such as Kick are willing to operate at a massive loss to gain market share. YouTube has no such thriving alternative.
If we’re generous and say that I spend only roughly 2 hours daily x 30 days = 60 hours. $12 premium subscription / 60 hours = $0.20 / hour, excluding the share creators receive from that. That’s cheap for the service they provide.
Edit: I forget I’m on !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com here. Everything done by corporations is evil and morally justifies piracy I guess.
Same. I have a policy that I won’t play any video that doesn’t eventually play without an ad after multiple page refreshes. In those cases, I either give up or turn to a video ripping tool such as youtube-dl. Works so far…
I know this may be blasphemy but if you use a VPN to sign up from certain countries you can get YouTube premium for like 25 bucks for the year. Haven’t tried it personally but I’ve seen it mentioned a million times.
If they go to war with adblockers though some one smarter then me will probably come out with a way to just download the video and cut out ads post.
Valid point, and again I haven’t done this myself, but it seems you only need the VPN for the initial sign up and then you can login normally after that. Not perfect for everyone but an option to consider.
Also, and I guess I’m making a huge assumption but I’d imagine most people here have access to a VPN
Companies are becoming even more greedy recently across the board and at a rapid pace. Some people would want you to believe Youtube wouldn’t generate billions of dollars as income annually for Alphabet for some reason. But the truth is the platform is extremely profitable already. Youtube simply wants even more now because competition has done the same. We’ve seen prices spiraling up and quality dropping in pretty much all sectors of the economy and this trend will continue for the forseeable future.
In short: Because they can (some are really stretching their boundaries, though)
Like another poster said, investors are pushing for profits. The Sillicon Valley model of throwing money at it until they figure it out is suffering with the downturn in the markets. So with the VC and investor money drying up, sites are pushing to make money to keep the lights on.
I think this is the real thing. If online companies don’t match the extremely ridiculous and luck they had during the pandemic then they are doing “worse” even if they are doing just fine.
All of them also seem to be focused more on short term gains over long term losses (i.e. meeting quarterly goals by raising rates but driving away otherwise good customers and completely disregarding the benefit of customer loyalty.).
It’s the natural path of capitalism. Squeeze just enough that you barely want to do anything. That’s literally just price meeting demand. And competition is dead so the demand is high
FreeTube is good for some users, but it’s not good for some other users because it uses Electron. Alternatively, you can use Invidious instead or piped.
You can use NewPipe if you use Android.
As much as I’d like to see an alternative to YouTube on the fediverse, I can’t see myself using it much unless my favorite content creators move on over there too. And I can’t see them moving.
Oddysee is built on LBRY, which I believe is the closest thing. I think there’s something else called PeerTube, but I’m not sure what it is exactly (haven’t looked into it).
I’m pretty sure peertube is just a selfhosted version of YouTube that caches YT videos locally. Not an actual separate platform to upload videos to. I could be mistaken.
Partially correct. You can self host peertube instances. What differentiates it from YouTube is:
Instances can share their video lists with other instances via ActivityPub. Even to Mastodon and Lemmy.
PeerTube video player is peer to peer. You can download the video from the server directly or from another peer watching the same video. This may be helpful for livestreams.
I might be too pedantic, but Odysee/LBRY is a blockchain-based decentralized network. But its not federated and it doesn’t use activitypub like Lemmy and mastodon. I would only call Peertube to be part of the fediverse.
Not too pedantic at all; those are indeed two distinct ways of creating similar applications. In my opinion, federated alternatives are more appealing than those based on blockchain technologies. Federated networks are proving to provide a more palatable experience through hybrid decentralized centralization.
Federated networks are also able to leverage community goodwill to provide a free experience. Blockchains are just a tool to extract money from users in the name of immutability.
Perhaps I’m mistaken, but is value inherently necessary to perpetuate PoW or verification steps in a Blockchain? In other words, do you need to create value for it to work? I didn’t think that was a necessary first step, but I suppose it could be if it’s all driven by miners or some other random PoW mechanism with a monetary incentive.
It’s not inherent (for example private blockchains exist and are being used, but private blockchains may as well be a centralized system anyway), but it is a soft requirement. You may create a Blockchain without mining rewards, but then there is no incentive to do work and you are much more vulnerable to 51% attacks. You could argue that federated servers already perform work out of the goodness of their hearts, but in the case of federated networks the work being done is much less than PoW blockchains, because only the first node to validate a block does useful work, all the other mining done is worthless. That in turn means that you are hammerring your server (if you aren’t, see above comment about 51% attacks) for effectively 0 reward. If you add the fact that blockchains as they exist must always be dealing in some sort of “value” exchange, and it means blockchains always are just money exchange schemes. Their volatility also turns them from stores of money to speculation a instruments and then it’s even harder to build community on it (I suggest the second part of the Line Goes Up documentary on yt for the community aspect of blockchains).
I’ve been tracking the Fediverse loosely since stumbling into StatusNet and OStatus in 2011. To see the fediverse alive and well after being away for so long makes me very happy, though I don’t share the same political opinions as many of the people here.
That said, I’d argue there needs to be a way to spin up PeerTube and educate the masses on how to do that instead of starting a YouTube channel.
If in the future they make it completely impossible to use ad blockers I’ll just stop actively using YouTube. I hope a good enough alternative comes around.
I remember when someone was laughing at me when i downloaded some niche videos that i liked to rewatch from yt because that someone thought that it will be there available and forever. Remember that they wanted to paywall 4K vids at some point.
You could give Odysee a try.
I was pleasently surprised at how well it works, and how nice the UI/UX is. Especially considering it is a decentralized platform.
It’s missing a lot of the content that youtube has. Especially if you trying to look up a specific video or niche topic. But there’s still a lot of great content available if you are happy to browse.
Oh boy that website looks amazing, I’ll be keeping an eye on it.
I hope Youtube changes the direction it is going, but if it doesn’t at least we have a couple alternatives, I also found out that the ‘‘fediverse’’ has its own alternative with PeerTube.
Honestly I think I’ll go full hoarder with YouTube archivist and find a way to stream/synchronize on my devices. I mostly use YouTube to go to sleep so there is no way I go back to videos being interrupted by loud ass ads.
they wouldn’t be able to do anything. youtube-dl doesn’t use an API or anything like that, it just streams the video like a browser would and rips the stream. if they somehow actually managed to selectively block youtube-dl, all youtube-dl would have to do is send a different user agent. the only defense against stream ripping in general is to not stream anything at all, which Youtube obviously cannot do
No, when they decide to end yt-dl (and similar tools) they will just enable DRM on all videos, rather than just the pay-per-view videos. The infrastructure already exists for Netflix-like DRM on YouTube. If they are serious about cracking down on ad blocking then it is a matter of time before they throw that switch.
There are tools to record mediocre quality video from Netflix (flixgrab) and there is an exploit that the scene groups use to nab webdls but there’s nothing quality for normal users.
No, I’ve seen no plans to expand DRM on YouTube but the paid videos have been DRM from the start, so they very much have the software internally in place to do it. And third party apps using a YouTube-dl backend provide a workaround against ad blocker bans so if they’re serious about this…
i agree that stopping stream ripping is indeed impossible ,what i am afraid (and think) that they gonna put small hurdles in the way until they become a big shore to overcome and this is a worst case scenario but may be they gonna implement DRM like netflix does in the future
This is what I’m doing since the elsagate scandal, and a recent one where there was an ad of an obese dude jacking off (I’m in the middle east, this happened about 6 months ago).
I just automate the downloads of new youtube videos and let use jellyfin to watch it.
I don’t use youtube much, but I had to selfhost because the youtube kids app is fucking nasty. I have my pihole block youtube domains for my kid’s device (firewall does captive dns/redirection of all dns requests to pihole).
My friend saw this using ABplus, he just switched to using a piped instance for the time being. I haven’t seen it at all using ublock origin. Though they said this is a “small test” so it’s possible I just am not in the test.
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
⚓ Dedicated to the discussion of digital piracy, including ethical problems and legal advancements.
Did Libretube (android) stop working because of this? Or is it just me?
Try changing instance. I hopped through a few and it is working again. I think they might have blocked a few of the instances making libre unable to load content
I went back to Newpipe from Libretube because it became unusable and I got tired from waiting for hotfixed whenever Google got ahead in the cat and mouse game and having to jump between instances
I don’t think YouTube became profitable, so I don’t know what you expected here? You aren’t entitled to a service they operates at a loss for your personal enjoyment. If you believe you’re entitled to that, then by all means start your own YouTube and put your money where your mouth is.
YouTube is still around is because Google believes that YouTube could become profitable eventually. YouTube earns money with ads and a premium subscription, which many people consider overpriced already. Since the premium subscription is overpriced already, they can only crank up the ads.
This reminds of Twitch, whose service is more expensive to operate than YouTube, except that viable alternatives such as Kick are willing to operate at a massive loss to gain market share. YouTube has no such thriving alternative.
If we’re generous and say that I spend only roughly 2 hours daily x 30 days = 60 hours. $12 premium subscription / 60 hours = $0.20 / hour, excluding the share creators receive from that. That’s cheap for the service they provide.
Edit: I forget I’m on !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com here. Everything done by corporations is evil and morally justifies piracy I guess.
This is a great bit. Seriously chiefs kiss.
Greed is what got me to the point of not wanting to watch any AD ever.
Same. I have a policy that I won’t play any video that doesn’t eventually play without an ad after multiple page refreshes. In those cases, I either give up or turn to a video ripping tool such as youtube-dl. Works so far…
Me who uses piped and all:
i’ve never seen this using librewolf + ublock + /etc/hosts
I know this may be blasphemy but if you use a VPN to sign up from certain countries you can get YouTube premium for like 25 bucks for the year. Haven’t tried it personally but I’ve seen it mentioned a million times.
If they go to war with adblockers though some one smarter then me will probably come out with a way to just download the video and cut out ads post.
But then you have to pay for vpn to access the countries where prices are low.
Valid point, and again I haven’t done this myself, but it seems you only need the VPN for the initial sign up and then you can login normally after that. Not perfect for everyone but an option to consider.
Also, and I guess I’m making a huge assumption but I’d imagine most people here have access to a VPN
you could just… use VPN with russian region, you won’t even get ads because YouTube does not monetize this region (sanctions duh)
or move in Russia, most ultimate solution =D
Whats up with all these online companies just deciding to be assholes this year.
Companies are becoming even more greedy recently across the board and at a rapid pace. Some people would want you to believe Youtube wouldn’t generate billions of dollars as income annually for Alphabet for some reason. But the truth is the platform is extremely profitable already. Youtube simply wants even more now because competition has done the same. We’ve seen prices spiraling up and quality dropping in pretty much all sectors of the economy and this trend will continue for the forseeable future.
In short: Because they can (some are really stretching their boundaries, though)
and try to speak about this to anyone who doesnt see it you are basically labeled as conspiracy theorist or something and just dismissed.
Like another poster said, investors are pushing for profits. The Sillicon Valley model of throwing money at it until they figure it out is suffering with the downturn in the markets. So with the VC and investor money drying up, sites are pushing to make money to keep the lights on.
I would’t say keeping the lights on, more then trying to beat covid lvl profits.
I think this is the real thing. If online companies don’t match the extremely ridiculous and luck they had during the pandemic then they are doing “worse” even if they are doing just fine.
All of them also seem to be focused more on short term gains over long term losses (i.e. meeting quarterly goals by raising rates but driving away otherwise good customers and completely disregarding the benefit of customer loyalty.).
They were always assholes, but the end of zero interest rates is making American corporations go from boiling the frog to just smoking the frog alive.
It’s the natural path of capitalism. Squeeze just enough that you barely want to do anything. That’s literally just price meeting demand. And competition is dead so the demand is high
Interest rates went up and now they need to make payments on their previously free debt.
Why is it all in July too???
FreeTube is good for some users, but it’s not good for some other users because it uses Electron. Alternatively, you can use Invidious instead or piped. You can use NewPipe if you use Android.
Piped appears to be broken due to other changes over at Youtube.
what’s the fediverse alternative to YouTube? seems like this is the way the 2020’s are going
As much as I’d like to see an alternative to YouTube on the fediverse, I can’t see myself using it much unless my favorite content creators move on over there too. And I can’t see them moving.
Oddysee is built on LBRY, which I believe is the closest thing. I think there’s something else called PeerTube, but I’m not sure what it is exactly (haven’t looked into it).
I’m pretty sure peertube is just a selfhosted version of YouTube that caches YT videos locally. Not an actual separate platform to upload videos to. I could be mistaken.
Partially correct. You can self host peertube instances. What differentiates it from YouTube is:
Definitely did not realize this, that is really cool! Thanks for sharing.
Also its a separate okatform. Could be used to cache YT videos but that’s not its primary purpose.
Its a separate platform. It could be used to cache YT videos but that’s not its primary purpose.
I might be too pedantic, but Odysee/LBRY is a blockchain-based decentralized network. But its not federated and it doesn’t use activitypub like Lemmy and mastodon. I would only call Peertube to be part of the fediverse.
Not too pedantic at all; those are indeed two distinct ways of creating similar applications. In my opinion, federated alternatives are more appealing than those based on blockchain technologies. Federated networks are proving to provide a more palatable experience through hybrid decentralized centralization.
Federated networks are also able to leverage community goodwill to provide a free experience. Blockchains are just a tool to extract money from users in the name of immutability.
Perhaps I’m mistaken, but is value inherently necessary to perpetuate PoW or verification steps in a Blockchain? In other words, do you need to create value for it to work? I didn’t think that was a necessary first step, but I suppose it could be if it’s all driven by miners or some other random PoW mechanism with a monetary incentive.
It’s not inherent (for example private blockchains exist and are being used, but private blockchains may as well be a centralized system anyway), but it is a soft requirement. You may create a Blockchain without mining rewards, but then there is no incentive to do work and you are much more vulnerable to 51% attacks. You could argue that federated servers already perform work out of the goodness of their hearts, but in the case of federated networks the work being done is much less than PoW blockchains, because only the first node to validate a block does useful work, all the other mining done is worthless. That in turn means that you are hammerring your server (if you aren’t, see above comment about 51% attacks) for effectively 0 reward. If you add the fact that blockchains as they exist must always be dealing in some sort of “value” exchange, and it means blockchains always are just money exchange schemes. Their volatility also turns them from stores of money to speculation a instruments and then it’s even harder to build community on it (I suggest the second part of the Line Goes Up documentary on yt for the community aspect of blockchains).
Nano is a good example of a no-value-generating blockchain. And it works
I’ve been tracking the Fediverse loosely since stumbling into StatusNet and OStatus in 2011. To see the fediverse alive and well after being away for so long makes me very happy, though I don’t share the same political opinions as many of the people here.
That said, I’d argue there needs to be a way to spin up PeerTube and educate the masses on how to do that instead of starting a YouTube channel.
If in the future they make it completely impossible to use ad blockers I’ll just stop actively using YouTube. I hope a good enough alternative comes around.
I’ve heard it is quite difficult to make one.
I remember when someone was laughing at me when i downloaded some niche videos that i liked to rewatch from yt because that someone thought that it will be there available and forever. Remember that they wanted to paywall 4K vids at some point.
You could give Odysee a try. I was pleasently surprised at how well it works, and how nice the UI/UX is. Especially considering it is a decentralized platform.
It’s missing a lot of the content that youtube has. Especially if you trying to look up a specific video or niche topic. But there’s still a lot of great content available if you are happy to browse.
Oh boy that website looks amazing, I’ll be keeping an eye on it. I hope Youtube changes the direction it is going, but if it doesn’t at least we have a couple alternatives, I also found out that the ‘‘fediverse’’ has its own alternative with PeerTube.
I think ublock already got around this no? I have had 0 issues
They haven’t rolled it out to more than a small percentage of users.
Honestly I think I’ll go full hoarder with YouTube archivist and find a way to stream/synchronize on my devices. I mostly use YouTube to go to sleep so there is no way I go back to videos being interrupted by loud ass ads.
Better do it fast
i don’t want to be a buzz kill but if this train continue its course i am afraid that they gonna do something about youtube-dl
What’s happened with invidious suggests it’s already starting in that regard.
A long as there is a way to view a video, there will be a way to save it.
This is terrifying.
There would always be some ways to save the video as long as it’s played on your machine
And then there will be another fork that does something about their something. Just like what happened to Vanced, for example.
they wouldn’t be able to do anything. youtube-dl doesn’t use an API or anything like that, it just streams the video like a browser would and rips the stream. if they somehow actually managed to selectively block youtube-dl, all youtube-dl would have to do is send a different user agent. the only defense against stream ripping in general is to not stream anything at all, which Youtube obviously cannot do
No, when they decide to end yt-dl (and similar tools) they will just enable DRM on all videos, rather than just the pay-per-view videos. The infrastructure already exists for Netflix-like DRM on YouTube. If they are serious about cracking down on ad blocking then it is a matter of time before they throw that switch.
And yet somehow you’re still able to rip video from places like Netflix.
There’s always a way around it. It’s simply a cat and mouse game.
There are tools to record mediocre quality video from Netflix (flixgrab) and there is an exploit that the scene groups use to nab webdls but there’s nothing quality for normal users.
Do you have some links about this new DRM for youtube? If it’s true its very sad indeed.
When will the internet bless us with a good yt competitor
No, I’ve seen no plans to expand DRM on YouTube but the paid videos have been DRM from the start, so they very much have the software internally in place to do it. And third party apps using a YouTube-dl backend provide a workaround against ad blocker bans so if they’re serious about this…
i agree that stopping stream ripping is indeed impossible ,what i am afraid (and think) that they gonna put small hurdles in the way until they become a big shore to overcome and this is a worst case scenario but may be they gonna implement DRM like netflix does in the future
Protip: On Peertube (at least for now), you can sync channels really easily so you can get a full archive of a good channel.
This is what I’m doing since the elsagate scandal, and a recent one where there was an ad of an obese dude jacking off (I’m in the middle east, this happened about 6 months ago).
I just automate the downloads of new youtube videos and let use jellyfin to watch it.
I don’t use youtube much, but I had to selfhost because the youtube kids app is fucking nasty. I have my pihole block youtube domains for my kid’s device (firewall does captive dns/redirection of all dns requests to pihole).
My child likes dr binocs and brave wilderness.
What ad blockers are getting detected right now?
don’t know as i don’t use “youtube” - the site - i am using a different front end
Long live Piped!
My friend saw this using ABplus, he just switched to using a piped instance for the time being. I haven’t seen it at all using ublock origin. Though they said this is a “small test” so it’s possible I just am not in the test.
Is there any adblockers that still work on YouTube?
I’d just use an alternate frontend like NewPipe or Invidious to block the ads, even if you can’t comment or like videos.
Ublock Origin is working for now.