Threatening messages aimed to prevent digital piracy have the opposite effect if you're a man, a new study from the University of Portsmouth has found. According to the research, women tend to respond positively to this kind of messaging, but men typically increase their piracy behaviors by 18%.
We only started pirating after Amazon refused to let us play movies we paid for because our hardware was too old for their DRM. It was a 2014 PC made of recycled parts. At the time, it was less than 10 years old. We pirated the same movie and realized it was easier to find, higher quality, and surprise, surprise, capable of playing on a PC we kept out of the landfill.
When I see anti piracy measures that punish people that don’t pirate, such as massive performance hits or privacy violating features, it makes me want to pirate more.
720 streams run from strange websites in timbucktoo have higher fidelity than the 4K stream I paid good money for.
Here’s a great price and you can share it with your friends. Wait not those friends. Wait your phone isn’t authorized anymore. Okay you authorized your phone but you need to authorize it again. Okay we just doubled the price and cut the quality again. Now you can’t watch the movies that you downloaded for offline viewing without an internet connection. Now your ad-free service has ads.
Netflix can take a long hard suck on my pudding factory, they’re never going to see another penny of my money again, and this is from somebody that goes back to the DVD days of Netflix.
I rented a car to do Uber with while I apply for jobs, and the car is an electric. They had no gas powered cars available.
It is such a pain in the ass. I’ve only had
it for a couple of days, but so far I’ve spent 2.5 hours today waiting for charge, and about 5 hours driving passengers.
I’m ready. I want to download a car. Just need someone to point me in the right direction.
Yeah, proper cohort attribution seems to be a little lacking by this data analyst. I’d say gender bias has already occured before your specific sample point… bro
According to the article, these were threatening messages (one about potential viruses, another about legal penalties). It fits gender stereotypes perfectly for women to seek to mitigate risks while seek someone to hold their beer.
They work on my mother, but she has the kind of faith in the system I honestly envy. It seems like a much more tranquil existence.
This is the same woman who thinks the Judge Rotenburg center must not be that bad, because otherwise it would have already been closed down. She just…can’t imagine a regulatory failure that big actually happening.
Agreed. I copied that exact quote to see if someone called it out already. Also this one:
educational messages tend to try and educate the consumer on the moral and economic damage of piracy.
Citation fucking needed.
As an anecdotal example, I pay for Netflix, Spotify, Prime, and Kindle Unlimited (and CBC Gem partly through taxes), I regularly buy videogames and ebooks (and pay for a library with taxes), and I buy phone apps. I’m paying as much as I comfortably can for media in various forms.
I also pirate TV/film content, books, games, apps, operating systems, etc. A lot.
But about half the TV/film piracy is content I have already paid to get streaming access to simply because it’s easier to pirate than figure out which service it’s on, and the other half is mostly freely available on YouTube at garbage quality.
The content industry, net everything, is getting all the cash out of me that they ever will. Piracy has 0 net effect on my media spending; I’d just consume different content, content at a lower quality, spend more time on Where To Stream, and get books from the library a bit more often.
The real challenge to creative economies are the billionaires sucking all the profit from album sales or deleting television shows from the face of the earth for a tax writeoff.
Those Ads at the beginning of legitimate copies of DVDS and movies, really bugged me, like why are you annoying the people who actually bought the product!? Also the people downloading stuff online seemed cool in those videos so I think the ads had the opposite effect a lot of the time.
That shit bothered me as far back as in the 80’s on VHS rentals. They’ve never treated viewers as anything other than a sales opportunity. The motion picture industry has always been disgusting and dehumanizing.
Plus they come off like those ridiculous anti-drug ads that make it seem like a single puff of weed will make you shoot your friend in the face and run your dog over. They’re just way over the top to the point that they’re comical and easy to mock.
If I could pay a fair price for the product I’m getting off torrents (no drm media files I can use on any device I want) I’d consider it. I buy books off humble bundle like all the time.
Ai summary because it seems like folks aren’t reading the article:
The study finds that threatening anti-piracy messages aimed at deterring digital piracy have the opposite effect on men, finding they increase piracy behaviors by 18% in men. However, such messages can reduce intended piracy in women by over 50%. The research also showed educational messages had no impact on intended piracy for both men and women. Notably, those with more favorable views of piracy saw even higher increases in intended piracy when exposed to threatening messages. The findings suggest anti-piracy groups should tailor their messages for different genders and consider alternative educational approaches to avoid unintended consequences like increasing piracy.
Seems like threatening messages specifically drive piracy up in men, but not for women. If you have a favorable view on piracy then the aggressive ads make it more likely that you’ll follow through.
It’s pretty much saying that the industry may want to reconsider the way they frame their warnings because it may actually be influencing people to take action.
There was none. The full quote from the ad is “Piracy funds terrorism, and will destroy our development and your future enjoyment”. Whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean. Which terrorists are we funding?
Either way, those anti-piracy ads are stupidly hilarious.
This is the truth man, I will even buy games on Steam that I’ve pirated in the past with no intention of playing them again. We all largely stopped pirating movies and TV for almost a decade when the streaming experience was superior.
If there was a steam like service for movies and tv and music that worked on all my platforms I would pay for it just like I paid for a home server running the *arrs.
There was a golden age of Netflix where I basically stopped pirating movies and TV too.
Now streaming is a fragmented ad-ridden nightmare and I pirate more than ever before. It’s not like it’s free either, I pay for a VPN, disk storage, let alone the time and maintenance.
If I could buy (and actually own) high quality digital copies of movies/tv with no bullshit at a reasonable price that would be a serious value proposition that would beat out the hassles that come along with piracy.
Fully agree. Why is renting a movie the same cost as a month of some random subscription service? Then you also get a copy you can only watch for like 24 hours. If you “buy” you still dont get access to the file, just some digital copy that can be taken away at any point.
I don’t think Steam’s business model works well for Movies/TV. Besides delivering the game files after your initial purchase Steam also continues to host and deliver update files for games over time, as well as lots of extras like syncing game saves, the workshop for mods, etc. I like having a centralized service that offers these features and acts a launcher for games because it’s very convenient. These features are a huge value add that makes the service very attractive over piracy.
But for Movies/TV the main thing I want is the ability to watch the content, at a high quality, on whatever device I want, whenever I want to watch it. Theoretically this shouldn’t be to hard, but with the way all the rights work it’s effectively impossible for any streaming service to offer this. Content gets removed all the time, it’s spread across a ton of different services that all offer a different experience. In a vain attempt to thwart pirates it’s a pain in the ass to watch content offline so it’s unreliable at best.
The only way to get the experience I want with Movies/TV is to pirate the content.
Hey… I only have 600 Steam Games and i don’t remember half of them… But don’t worry, I will play them, after Dragons Dogma 2 and the Elden Ring DLC of course.
After I’m finished doing the same shit over and over again for another 7-800 hours in warframe I’m sure I’ll get around to playing some of the games I actually paid money for.
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We only started pirating after Amazon refused to let us play movies we paid for because our hardware was too old for their DRM. It was a 2014 PC made of recycled parts. At the time, it was less than 10 years old. We pirated the same movie and realized it was easier to find, higher quality, and surprise, surprise, capable of playing on a PC we kept out of the landfill.
When I see anti piracy measures that punish people that don’t pirate, such as massive performance hits or privacy violating features, it makes me want to pirate more.
720 streams run from strange websites in timbucktoo have higher fidelity than the 4K stream I paid good money for.
Here’s a great price and you can share it with your friends. Wait not those friends. Wait your phone isn’t authorized anymore. Okay you authorized your phone but you need to authorize it again. Okay we just doubled the price and cut the quality again. Now you can’t watch the movies that you downloaded for offline viewing without an internet connection. Now your ad-free service has ads.
Netflix can take a long hard suck on my pudding factory, they’re never going to see another penny of my money again, and this is from somebody that goes back to the DVD days of Netflix.
Oh yeah, and we changed the movie too.
I rented a car to do Uber with while I apply for jobs, and the car is an electric. They had no gas powered cars available.
It is such a pain in the ass. I’ve only had it for a couple of days, but so far I’ve spent 2.5 hours today waiting for charge, and about 5 hours driving passengers.
I’m ready. I want to download a car. Just need someone to point me in the right direction.
You wouldn’t break into someone’s house and smash the DVDs they legally bought over the years would you?
The MPAA absolutely would. I’m happy they don’t know where I live.
I’m suspicious of the idea that women respond favorably to those notices.
“You wouldn’t download a car…”
Women: Gee, officer, that’s a good point.
Riiiiiiight…
Lol piracy intentions :P
now we need a follow up study comparing gender differences between who gets caught more.
“You wouldn’t download a house.”
Fuck you, I would if I could.
Real women use VPN’s. /s
I mean I do.
Yeah, proper cohort attribution seems to be a little lacking by this data analyst. I’d say gender bias has already occured before your specific sample point… bro
According to the article, these were threatening messages (one about potential viruses, another about legal penalties). It fits gender stereotypes perfectly for women to seek to mitigate risks while seek someone to hold their beer.
So the result of the study is “it’s pretty easy to scare women into submission”? Sounds like a great use of their time and resources. 🤮
They work on my mother, but she has the kind of faith in the system I honestly envy. It seems like a much more tranquil existence.
This is the same woman who thinks the Judge Rotenburg center must not be that bad, because otherwise it would have already been closed down. She just…can’t imagine a regulatory failure that big actually happening.
“what’s the Judge Rotenburg Center?” looks it up “Jesus”
Couldn’t even finish reading the Wiki article
Ok, I had to stop reading at the shock collars for mentally disabled kids. That’s some introduction paragraph.
I remember the commercials “Piracy is not a victimless crime” pissed me off so hard, and drove me to download much more than I otherwise would have
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Won’t somebody think of the shareholders?!
Dudes rock
Other studies found, that piracy actually increases sales, offsetting the (always oversestimated) loss of revenue.
So, no, that’s a lie.
Agreed. I copied that exact quote to see if someone called it out already. Also this one:
Citation fucking needed.
As an anecdotal example, I pay for Netflix, Spotify, Prime, and Kindle Unlimited (and CBC Gem partly through taxes), I regularly buy videogames and ebooks (and pay for a library with taxes), and I buy phone apps. I’m paying as much as I comfortably can for media in various forms.
I also pirate TV/film content, books, games, apps, operating systems, etc. A lot.
But about half the TV/film piracy is content I have already paid to get streaming access to simply because it’s easier to pirate than figure out which service it’s on, and the other half is mostly freely available on YouTube at garbage quality.
The content industry, net everything, is getting all the cash out of me that they ever will. Piracy has 0 net effect on my media spending; I’d just consume different content, content at a lower quality, spend more time on Where To Stream, and get books from the library a bit more often.
The real challenge to creative economies are the billionaires sucking all the profit from album sales or deleting television shows from the face of the earth for a tax writeoff.
Men. 🏴☠️
Those Ads at the beginning of legitimate copies of DVDS and movies, really bugged me, like why are you annoying the people who actually bought the product!? Also the people downloading stuff online seemed cool in those videos so I think the ads had the opposite effect a lot of the time.
We are cool get in it with us chud.
This is Chad. Chad downloaded the movie from a pirate site, then smoked a joint and got a blowjob. Don’t be like Chad.
That shit bothered me as far back as in the 80’s on VHS rentals. They’ve never treated viewers as anything other than a sales opportunity. The motion picture industry has always been disgusting and dehumanizing.
I would absolutely download a car, sounded like the coolest shit to me as a 14 year old
Check out the cool hoodie!
hella 90s
Might have to cop that hoodie, but I’m not watching bros camrip 💀
Weirdly enough I used to enjoy camrips when I was broke and depressed, kinda gave me the feeling I was in a room with people.
My favourites were the ones where people couldn’t sit still, felt good yelling at someone to sit the fuck down, knowing they cant hit me.
That’s actually really sweet ahhh
Agreed, they’re the worst!
Plus they come off like those ridiculous anti-drug ads that make it seem like a single puff of weed will make you shoot your friend in the face and run your dog over. They’re just way over the top to the point that they’re comical and easy to mock.
Give me the means and hell yea I’d download a car!
“You wouldn’t put on a tricorn hat, would you?”
I actually would, if I could find a nice one…
“…and leave your job to sail the seas?”
… That’s an option? I didn’t even consider-
“And you certainly wouldn’t drink rum, and fire cannons, and carry a saber and tell silly parrot related puns.”
buys a tricorn hat
Steals a tricorn hat
FTFY
Downloads a Tricorner hat
You wouldn’t!
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Men would literally rather maintain a seed ratio for private trackers and operate a seedbox than pay for movies.
TIL that I’m a man.
good
If I could pay a fair price for the product I’m getting off torrents (no drm media files I can use on any device I want) I’d consider it. I buy books off humble bundle like all the time.
Ai summary because it seems like folks aren’t reading the article:
The study finds that threatening anti-piracy messages aimed at deterring digital piracy have the opposite effect on men, finding they increase piracy behaviors by 18% in men. However, such messages can reduce intended piracy in women by over 50%. The research also showed educational messages had no impact on intended piracy for both men and women. Notably, those with more favorable views of piracy saw even higher increases in intended piracy when exposed to threatening messages. The findings suggest anti-piracy groups should tailor their messages for different genders and consider alternative educational approaches to avoid unintended consequences like increasing piracy.
Seems like threatening messages specifically drive piracy up in men, but not for women. If you have a favorable view on piracy then the aggressive ads make it more likely that you’ll follow through.
It’s pretty much saying that the industry may want to reconsider the way they frame their warnings because it may actually be influencing people to take action.
tldr
“Womens, get your mans to pirate you the latest season of Outlander”
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Yes 👍
It’s the equivalent of “no balls, you won’t”
My balls just got 18% bigger when you said that.
you wouldn’t go to the toilet in a policeman’s helmet
“You wouldn’t mail it to his grieving widow?!”
You wouldn’t then steal it again!
Downloading films is stealing. If you do it you WILL face the consequences!
We had an ad that actually said “piracy funds terrorism” here in the UK. Made me laugh my arse off.
I’m curious now, what was the justification for that claim?
There was none. The full quote from the ad is “Piracy funds terrorism, and will destroy our development and your future enjoyment”. Whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean. Which terrorists are we funding?
Either way, those anti-piracy ads are stupidly hilarious.
Buying pirated DVDs is one example I assume?
This is a return to office movement all over again hahaha
i remember when valve’s steam completely killed nearly all video game piracy just by existing
This is the truth man, I will even buy games on Steam that I’ve pirated in the past with no intention of playing them again. We all largely stopped pirating movies and TV for almost a decade when the streaming experience was superior.
If there was a steam like service for movies and tv and music that worked on all my platforms I would pay for it just like I paid for a home server running the *arrs.
There was a golden age of Netflix where I basically stopped pirating movies and TV too.
Now streaming is a fragmented ad-ridden nightmare and I pirate more than ever before. It’s not like it’s free either, I pay for a VPN, disk storage, let alone the time and maintenance.
If I could buy (and actually own) high quality digital copies of movies/tv with no bullshit at a reasonable price that would be a serious value proposition that would beat out the hassles that come along with piracy.
Fully agree. Why is renting a movie the same cost as a month of some random subscription service? Then you also get a copy you can only watch for like 24 hours. If you “buy” you still dont get access to the file, just some digital copy that can be taken away at any point.
I mean I always knew digital renting was kind of a lame idea, but I didn’t put together how monumentally bad it is until you said that…
Imagine if steam sold movies and TV shows
They did that 10 years ago. Right around the time they added the video stuff. Didn’t work out. https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/steam-stepping-back-from-selling-films
Around 50 are still available if you know how to look for them: https://store.steampowered.com/search/?sort_by=Released_DESC&category1=992
Watch Kung Fury if you want to test it. I loved the cheese: https://store.steampowered.com/app/374570/Kung_Fury/
I don’t think Steam’s business model works well for Movies/TV. Besides delivering the game files after your initial purchase Steam also continues to host and deliver update files for games over time, as well as lots of extras like syncing game saves, the workshop for mods, etc. I like having a centralized service that offers these features and acts a launcher for games because it’s very convenient. These features are a huge value add that makes the service very attractive over piracy.
But for Movies/TV the main thing I want is the ability to watch the content, at a high quality, on whatever device I want, whenever I want to watch it. Theoretically this shouldn’t be to hard, but with the way all the rights work it’s effectively impossible for any streaming service to offer this. Content gets removed all the time, it’s spread across a ton of different services that all offer a different experience. In a vain attempt to thwart pirates it’s a pain in the ass to watch content offline so it’s unreliable at best.
The only way to get the experience I want with Movies/TV is to pirate the content.
To the point where a lot of gamers have paid for more games than they’d ever have time to play.
Hey… I only have 600 Steam Games and i don’t remember half of them… But don’t worry, I will play them, after Dragons Dogma 2 and the Elden Ring DLC of course.
After I’m finished doing the same shit over and over again for another 7-800 hours in warframe I’m sure I’ll get around to playing some of the games I actually paid money for.
And Spotify pretty much killed music piracy . Although you could argue they just changed who did the robbing
I think people still pirate music by downloading them off of youtube