I guess relatively few people still turn to piracy, it seems like all these streaming platforms are massively increasing their prices knowing that their customers will try to rationalise the extra spending somehow.
They’ll have to be taught a hard lesson. But realistically family was overly generous with a lot of folks essentially paying 2$/m for premium. You can definitely double this amount without many of them bothering to pirate.
I personally would read this as a sign that more people are turning to ad blocking or straight up leaving. Not enough money coming in so they have to jack prices up way faster than they’d likely do otherwise.
Yeah but if they double the price and only lose 1/3 of their customers that is a profit. They are aiming for that equilibrium price and honestly more people are willing to pay to never have their entertainment end than we could ever hope for.
I never accused them of being competent. They’re getting into a death spiral, but there still isn’t a very good and well known alternative to leech the disgruntled customer base.
I honestly think it’ seven more important to have an adblock on a phone.
The amount of pages that on mobile are an advert covering the top half, and a give us your data prompt at the bottom seems to be nearly everything these days. At least on a monitor there’s room for the content.
Same, but when I sit and do stuff in my laptop I end up procrastinating even more with it than my phone… Anyway, I block ads everywhere I can, and when I cannot, usually I have a pihole running in the background for that in my local network.
Firefox on android supports addons, so you can install uBlock on it too. If you use an apple device, you are limited to DNS based ad blocking, which doesn’t help with youtube.
I really like YouTube Revanced on Android, it’s a patcher that includes an ad blocker as well as a ton of other QOL fixes.
But I understand why more people don’t fuck with it, because if you install it wrong, your app will bug in the weirdest ways. Like my YouTube app kept getting renamed with the content of my last error message.
I use Revance Manager for patching other apps but youtube app is shit no matter how much you patch it. Prefer NewPipe or even LibreTube over patched Youtube app.
Firefox for Android has uBlock Origin (and lots of other useful extensions). You do need to set Firefox as the default app for YouTube links, but after that it works perfectly.
I use NewPipe for Youtube, there are no ads at all.
I use AdGuard for blocking ads phone-wide and if I hadn’t, Vivaldi has a built-in adblocker too.
Bottom line is I don’t see any ads without using uBlock Origin. Original commenter is “surprised more people aren’t using” it like it’s the only way to go, while in reality it usable only in certain scenarios. It’s best for PC but not for mobile.
I pay for YouTube premium because I like the idea of content creators getting paid when I watch their videos. I don’t want to manually send each of them money or sign up for their channel memberships or anything. But if they make videos that I watch and they get a kickback? I’m fine with that.
I also have a YouTube channel that bring in a bit of beer money, so I use that to justify the cost.
I pay for that, because YouTube and YouTube Music is the main source of media for me And my family and I have no issue with paying for a service that I use a lot.
And paying for that is so much easier then investing huge amounts of time into searching for and maintaining alternative Players and Tools for all the different devices where I (and my family) consume YouTube and YouTube Music.
My limited time is more valuable for me then the price for the service.
I can understand if you want to pay. But don’t say it’s hard to block ads when all you need is uBlock origin installed… And that’s it. It’s literally a 15 seconds job for the rest of the life of your browser.
And how do I install uBlock origin into my living room television? How into the YouTube app on my Chromecast? Sure I could use Firefox on that but that will break any chance of sending YouTube videos from a phone to the Chromecast, so not really a valid option.
How into the PS5?
How install it into any kind of mobile apple device? How into all kinds of mobile YouTube music applications?
Yes, it is easy when the only way to consume YouTube is via Webbrowser and even that gets more and more complicated whenever google changes something to block ad blockers.
I understand. But that should make you automatically realise that you should give that old fat/broken laptop a chance to be plugged into your TV. Put a 10 $ remote mini keyboard there and no one will touch the TV interface again.
And how does that help with any of the questions I asked? It may be a possibility but it is neither easy, nor comfortable, and it takes way more time to keep that up to date then it is worth.
It may be great for you, maybe you are young or alone or have for whatever reason else time to waste on that.
I pay and have it work on every device without any further work or time investment. It just works!
That’s the thing, for me, it’s too much money every month for a one-time setup and maybe 15 minutes maintenance every 3 months. But if you feel it’s still worth it, go for it.
All of this, and more, is quite simply defined in easy to follow steps on a site or two.
Are you asking genuinely or just listing off questions? Do you have 30mins to sit down and focus on setting up ALL of the above? Personally, I think you owe it to yourself and your family to at least try. 🖖🏽
Yes and I have to do that on every device, and when it breaks I have to invest time to look it up, maybe have to wait for days before updated tools are available then install those on all the devices again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, for infinity.
It is such a waste of time in my eyes, myself and my time is worth more then that.
I pay for yt family premium and Netflix but use neither of them on a regular basis.
My nephews grew up with a pretty shitty life. They don’t have a lot of fun things they can do in their situation. I figured the least I could do is give them YouTube music and some access to watch TV and movies on Netflix wherever they happen to be.
It’s the same reason my steam family is chock full of games I’ll never play.
This is the same for me and my family. It’s such a great feature to have and worth not seeing ads. I feel like supporting the platforms I use is important to me.
A LOT of people pay for that. I was flabbergasted as well. Why would you pay for a free service? This feels like buying premium bottled tap water and they don’t even bother to filter out the chlorine and the heavy metals.
Sadly a lot of young people are taught nothing but convenience and ignorance. I’m the only one in any of my friend circles that says anything against these practices. All of my friends, from different walks of life just shrug me off.
I agree, but as long as corporations like YouTube, Nintendo and Hollywood exist and people have this “normal” mentality, they will hardly be willing to be truly educated about it.
And there’s the sad truth of it. Best we can do is those few of us who care enough to be educated do our best to make what we do hurt those scum suckers where it hurts them the most.
Or people actually earn enough not to give two flying fucks about 10$ a month and want to support their content creators and the platform that enables them.
People tend to be afraid of the unknown — generally agreed to be symptomatic of the awareness of one’s own mortality (some, less consciously than others). And, as the saying goes, “necessity is the mother of invention”. Our prehistoric forebears came up with their own reasons why otherwise inexplicable things happened, and how — the real lucky shamans landed a “when” here and there, no doubt…
But, where that galvanizing (and often innocuous) superstition gained straight up viral status was with the invention of gods. That’s religion. That “inescapable” caste system for your “soul”. Completely fabricated for the sole ^heh purpose of population control in every capacity.
Now, what is your so-called “soul” if not made of your self-worth? Fast forward ~297,400 years to when a system of value placeholders is created (currency), and then a mere 1,300 years more for it to beget commercialism (not evolve; spawn). Then, driven by advertising, materialism, and greed, commerce rapidly gives rise to consumerism, et al. as we live it today.
These two parasitic institutions of our modern age are rooted in the same concepts, the same drive for control.
YouTube is in the system as much as we all are, and just like church: you can choose to be neither prey or product.
I’m sure that will incentivize more people to sign up for Youtube Family Plan. I was just looking for an excuse to spend more money to get a poor service!
To be fair, this does add more to the pot for YouTube creators.
If you’re a YouTube Premium member, you won’t see ads, so we share your monthly membership fee with creators. Best of all, the more videos you watch from your favorite creators, the more money they make.
YouTube has a transparent 70/30 revenue share model for creators.
Your entire premium subscription fee is split into 70 to creators and 30 to google.
The 70 are forwarded to the creators in proportion to the watch time.
in fact it’s incorrect that “the more you watch, the more they earn”. You can only watch two videos in one month and each of the creators will earn the respective 4$
So this has been true of YouTube Red since the beginning. It’s one if the reasons I got it. But they use watch time as the way to divide your money out. It actually makes it extremely unfair split for people that make great but short content. It’s also why longer content became more popular around that time and those 24/7 streams run like that.
Also why creators started doing channels of just padded run time content of like building legos and eating things. It’s to secure better and funding.
The current setup is pretty busted and feels like the wheels are coming off again.
I have YouTube Premium though not the Family variant and Google won’t just fix their app. It is way behind NewPipe or YouTube ReVanced. No, I don’t need shorts. No I don’t need constant nudges to join groups of YouTubers by paying after I just paid you money, Google!
What I want is system wide quality setting (what exactly does High or Data Saver mean; would it kill you to give 480p, 720p or 1080p as options) or Sponserblock integration (okay, this thing is probably never gonna happen but still). YouTube 's app is a stinking pile of shit. I just use YouTube Music from them and will cancel/not renew my plan after it lapses.
unpopular opinion: you can pay for premium and use Vanced/ReVanced because you value hosting infrastructure provided, and you understand that most of your money goes to the creators not google. And yet you still want control over the UI.
And you know what. If everyone actually did that instead of using Vanced for adblocking, it maybe still would’ve been alive.
No it wouldn’t. They would have killed it anyway.
Also, way to blame the victims for getting abused.
“If only mommy would stop making daddy mad, then he would stop hitting mommy.”
Victims?! You’re using someone’s infrastructure, very expensive programmer talent, countless content creators dedication; you’re using all of it for free, and you’re the victim when the other party tries to enforce a payment?
People like you is why communism will never become a reality.
It’s funny, because sponsorblock and vanced only exist because of youtube’s greed. And now I can’t imagine using their service without them, even if they rollback the annoying ads. And they can’t implement them. It’s really the problem they made for themselves.
Not a premium user but Youtube has poisoned its own waters with its algorithm. You can see the “top” content basically gaming that algorithm as well as it can. Literally every part of it from the title to the thumbnail to the content itself is hollow except for the skinner box.
Well, once again they still hurt more the “legal” clients, nothing new really.
I still happily have my ad-less YT experience in all the devices I own (as a matter of fact, I just convinced my girlfriend to sideload a YT client to get her a similar experience of mine in her iPhone).
It’s more so that you are allowed to try to block ads. If YouTube adds DRM or otherwise manages to stop usage of ad blocking, they are completely in their right to do so.
IIRC if something runs on your system, you have the right to mess with it, however you want — e.g. block specific parts of the site, or use reader mode etc.
If youtube does that, I will stop using the site and wait for a workaround to be written. You could preload the videos and cut out the ads, for example.
And of course this happened inline with the ads on pause so its either you pay us a fuck ton of money per month or suffer from advertisements thank god for ublock origin and firefox
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Because OF COURSE they would.
Yo HO!
I guess relatively few people still turn to piracy, it seems like all these streaming platforms are massively increasing their prices knowing that their customers will try to rationalise the extra spending somehow.
They’ll have to be taught a hard lesson. But realistically family was overly generous with a lot of folks essentially paying 2$/m for premium. You can definitely double this amount without many of them bothering to pirate.
I personally would read this as a sign that more people are turning to ad blocking or straight up leaving. Not enough money coming in so they have to jack prices up way faster than they’d likely do otherwise.
But then that would mean that they’ll loose even more customers
Yeah but if they double the price and only lose 1/3 of their customers that is a profit. They are aiming for that equilibrium price and honestly more people are willing to pay to never have their entertainment end than we could ever hope for.
I never accused them of being competent. They’re getting into a death spiral, but there still isn’t a very good and well known alternative to leech the disgruntled customer base.
The ones who stay will stay.
Do they get to stay in the tautology club?
Confucius is that you?
It’s like the cost of one banana
There is always money in the banana stand.
audible mouth clicking
He’s a flamer
I’m surprised more people aren’t using uBlock Origin. It’s an absolute necessity for browsing the web anymore.
When I can set that up for my AppleTV to block ads on YouTube, I’ll be happy to use it.
I barely ever use PC for browsing web anymore.
I honestly think it’ seven more important to have an adblock on a phone.
The amount of pages that on mobile are an advert covering the top half, and a give us your data prompt at the bottom seems to be nearly everything these days. At least on a monitor there’s room for the content.
I didn’t say I don’t block ads on the phone. Read my other comments here.
Same, but when I sit and do stuff in my laptop I end up procrastinating even more with it than my phone… Anyway, I block ads everywhere I can, and when I cannot, usually I have a pihole running in the background for that in my local network.
Firefox on android supports addons, so you can install uBlock on it too. If you use an apple device, you are limited to DNS based ad blocking, which doesn’t help with youtube.
I really like YouTube Revanced on Android, it’s a patcher that includes an ad blocker as well as a ton of other QOL fixes.
But I understand why more people don’t fuck with it, because if you install it wrong, your app will bug in the weirdest ways. Like my YouTube app kept getting renamed with the content of my last error message.
I use Revance Manager for patching other apps but youtube app is shit no matter how much you patch it. Prefer NewPipe or even LibreTube over patched Youtube app.
It’s available for mobile as well. You find it in the extension manager
For which mobile and what extensions manager?
I’m blocking ads phone-wide, I just don’t use uBlock Origin for that on the phone.
firefox exists on mobile too
ublock is more efficient in the browser than any dns based blocking, as it can (and does) make changes to the website itself
Why are you telling me this?
you have said this
I wanted to let you know that such a countermeasure is not as effective as confining untrusted parties into a web browser with ublock
I didn’t say I use DNS based blocking.
Firefox, mull, fennec, etc
Orion on iOS has some support for FF extensions—Ublock seems to work more or less
Couldn’t you just use an adblocker extension in Safari?
Firefox for Android has uBlock Origin (and lots of other useful extensions). You do need to set Firefox as the default app for YouTube links, but after that it works perfectly.
I use NewPipe for Youtube, there are no ads at all.
I use AdGuard for blocking ads phone-wide and if I hadn’t, Vivaldi has a built-in adblocker too.
Bottom line is I don’t see any ads without using uBlock Origin. Original commenter is “surprised more people aren’t using” it like it’s the only way to go, while in reality it usable only in certain scenarios. It’s best for PC but not for mobile.
You’ve brought a strawman into the conversation, but in short, uBlock is best maintained and tends to be the most robust. Your solution works too
Wait, people pay for that?
I pay for YouTube premium because I like the idea of content creators getting paid when I watch their videos. I don’t want to manually send each of them money or sign up for their channel memberships or anything. But if they make videos that I watch and they get a kickback? I’m fine with that.
I also have a YouTube channel that bring in a bit of beer money, so I use that to justify the cost.
Yup. Pretty much. 🤷🏼♂️
That is generally why people pay for things
I pay for that, because YouTube and YouTube Music is the main source of media for me And my family and I have no issue with paying for a service that I use a lot. And paying for that is so much easier then investing huge amounts of time into searching for and maintaining alternative Players and Tools for all the different devices where I (and my family) consume YouTube and YouTube Music. My limited time is more valuable for me then the price for the service.
I can understand if you want to pay. But don’t say it’s hard to block ads when all you need is uBlock origin installed… And that’s it. It’s literally a 15 seconds job for the rest of the life of your browser.
And how do I install uBlock origin into my living room television? How into the YouTube app on my Chromecast? Sure I could use Firefox on that but that will break any chance of sending YouTube videos from a phone to the Chromecast, so not really a valid option. How into the PS5? How install it into any kind of mobile apple device? How into all kinds of mobile YouTube music applications? Yes, it is easy when the only way to consume YouTube is via Webbrowser and even that gets more and more complicated whenever google changes something to block ad blockers.
I understand. But that should make you automatically realise that you should give that old fat/broken laptop a chance to be plugged into your TV. Put a 10 $ remote mini keyboard there and no one will touch the TV interface again.
And how does that help with any of the questions I asked? It may be a possibility but it is neither easy, nor comfortable, and it takes way more time to keep that up to date then it is worth. It may be great for you, maybe you are young or alone or have for whatever reason else time to waste on that. I pay and have it work on every device without any further work or time investment. It just works!
That’s the thing, for me, it’s too much money every month for a one-time setup and maybe 15 minutes maintenance every 3 months. But if you feel it’s still worth it, go for it.
All of this, and more, is quite simply defined in easy to follow steps on a site or two.
Are you asking genuinely or just listing off questions? Do you have 30mins to sit down and focus on setting up ALL of the above? Personally, I think you owe it to yourself and your family to at least try. 🖖🏽
Yes and I have to do that on every device, and when it breaks I have to invest time to look it up, maybe have to wait for days before updated tools are available then install those on all the devices again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, for infinity. It is such a waste of time in my eyes, myself and my time is worth more then that.
Remember that many people they don’t consume YouTube primarily in a browser
and once you are on 4k teevee, i see no issue paying for that quality.
i have an issue with being data mined while paying tho…
I pay for yt family premium and Netflix but use neither of them on a regular basis.
My nephews grew up with a pretty shitty life. They don’t have a lot of fun things they can do in their situation. I figured the least I could do is give them YouTube music and some access to watch TV and movies on Netflix wherever they happen to be.
It’s the same reason my steam family is chock full of games I’ll never play.
This is the same for me and my family. It’s such a great feature to have and worth not seeing ads. I feel like supporting the platforms I use is important to me.
A LOT of people pay for that. I was flabbergasted as well. Why would you pay for a free service? This feels like buying premium bottled tap water and they don’t even bother to filter out the chlorine and the heavy metals.
People buy diet water, so i don’t think there is a limit to what people buy
Do you pay for Lemmy? Did you donate something? Or do you think you don’t need to, because it’s free?
I’m sorry, I did not put this in the right words. I thought I already deleted the comment. But no yes yes.
It started out incredibly cheap ($15 mo for six people), and includes a Spotify style music streaming service
If it were a charity or non-profit that would be one thing. Google is doing fine without your support though.
because it is not a free service, you are watching ads.
I may accept it if it was not bundled with data mining. and if they wouldn’t constantly increase prices
As I said in a previous post, people are afraid of pirating, so they prefer higher prices if it is a “safe” method.
I wouldn’t call it pirating… More like… I receive the video, but the ads were unfortunately lost on the way…
People need education.
bootlickers love theirs chains, they won’ be saved but younger folk have a chance to break the cycle of abuse
Sadly a lot of young people are taught nothing but convenience and ignorance. I’m the only one in any of my friend circles that says anything against these practices. All of my friends, from different walks of life just shrug me off.
Well maybe next generation then… Or maybe we are destitined to be enslaved due to herd mentality.
I agree, but as long as corporations like YouTube, Nintendo and Hollywood exist and people have this “normal” mentality, they will hardly be willing to be truly educated about it.
And there’s the sad truth of it. Best we can do is those few of us who care enough to be educated do our best to make what we do hurt those scum suckers where it hurts them the most.
Or people actually earn enough not to give two flying fucks about 10$ a month and want to support their content creators and the platform that enables them.
Why are they “afraid”?
Because that’s part of the consumer model. See: religion.
In religion, people are:
How exactly is YouTube doing that?
Zoom out; Youtube is not consumerism, and religion predates currency by a long shot. Fear is its original seed.
If you’re making a correlation, I fail to understand it. Can you dumb it down?
People tend to be afraid of the unknown — generally agreed to be symptomatic of the awareness of one’s own mortality (some, less consciously than others). And, as the saying goes, “necessity is the mother of invention”. Our prehistoric forebears came up with their own reasons why otherwise inexplicable things happened, and how — the real lucky shamans landed a “when” here and there, no doubt…
But, where that galvanizing (and often innocuous) superstition gained straight up viral status was with the invention of gods. That’s religion. That “inescapable” caste system for your “soul”. Completely fabricated for the sole ^heh purpose of population control in every capacity.
Now, what is your so-called “soul” if not made of your self-worth? Fast forward ~297,400 years to when a system of value placeholders is created (currency), and then a mere 1,300 years more for it to beget commercialism (not evolve; spawn). Then, driven by advertising, materialism, and greed, commerce rapidly gives rise to consumerism, et al. as we live it today.
These two parasitic institutions of our modern age are rooted in the same concepts, the same drive for control.
YouTube is in the system as much as we all are, and just like church: you can choose to be neither prey or product.
You choose.
I’m sure that will incentivize more people to sign up for Youtube Family Plan. I was just looking for an excuse to spend more money to get a poor service!
To be fair, this does add more to the pot for YouTube creators.
I mostly watch shitposts on YouTube anyway so Adblocker would do just fine
There are very very few youtubers I world like to support.
YouTube has a transparent 70/30 revenue share model for creators.
Your entire premium subscription fee is split into 70 to creators and 30 to google.
The 70 are forwarded to the creators in proportion to the watch time.
in fact it’s incorrect that “the more you watch, the more they earn”. You can only watch two videos in one month and each of the creators will earn the respective 4$
So this has been true of YouTube Red since the beginning. It’s one if the reasons I got it. But they use watch time as the way to divide your money out. It actually makes it extremely unfair split for people that make great but short content. It’s also why longer content became more popular around that time and those 24/7 streams run like that.
Also why creators started doing channels of just padded run time content of like building legos and eating things. It’s to secure better and funding.
The current setup is pretty busted and feels like the wheels are coming off again.
I’d rather just spend a fraction of the money on a Nebula subscription.
Then delete the YouTube app and go to the nebula. It’s a free country.
I have YouTube Premium though not the Family variant and Google won’t just fix their app. It is way behind NewPipe or YouTube ReVanced. No, I don’t need shorts. No I don’t need constant nudges to join groups of YouTubers by paying after I just paid you money, Google!
What I want is system wide quality setting (what exactly does High or Data Saver mean; would it kill you to give 480p, 720p or 1080p as options) or Sponserblock integration (okay, this thing is probably never gonna happen but still). YouTube 's app is a stinking pile of shit. I just use YouTube Music from them and will cancel/not renew my plan after it lapses.
unpopular opinion: you can pay for premium and use Vanced/ReVanced because you value hosting infrastructure provided, and you understand that most of your money goes to the creators not google. And yet you still want control over the UI.
And you know what. If everyone actually did that instead of using Vanced for adblocking, it maybe still would’ve been alive.
No it wouldn’t. They would have killed it anyway.
Also, way to blame the victims for getting abused.
“If only mommy would stop making daddy mad, then he would stop hitting mommy.”
Victims?! You’re using someone’s infrastructure, very expensive programmer talent, countless content creators dedication; you’re using all of it for free, and you’re the victim when the other party tries to enforce a payment?
People like you is why communism will never become a reality.
It’s funny, because sponsorblock and vanced only exist because of youtube’s greed. And now I can’t imagine using their service without them, even if they rollback the annoying ads. And they can’t implement them. It’s really the problem they made for themselves.
Not a premium user but Youtube has poisoned its own waters with its algorithm. You can see the “top” content basically gaming that algorithm as well as it can. Literally every part of it from the title to the thumbnail to the content itself is hollow except for the skinner box.
they don’t call it engagement slop for no reason.
uBlock, Revanced, and yt-dlp still 100% free lol
Content creators need to consider looking into alternative platforms though. Seems like YouTube is hellbent on self destruction.
Didn’t even know Youtube premium was still a thing. Been too busy using FreeTube, NewPipe, and SmartTube to notice
Well, once again they still hurt more the “legal” clients, nothing new really.
I still happily have my ad-less YT experience in all the devices I own (as a matter of fact, I just convinced my girlfriend to sideload a YT client to get her a similar experience of mine in her iPhone).
It’s so nice to live in the EU, where my right to block ads is protected by law.
It’s more so that you are allowed to try to block ads. If YouTube adds DRM or otherwise manages to stop usage of ad blocking, they are completely in their right to do so.
IIRC if something runs on your system, you have the right to mess with it, however you want — e.g. block specific parts of the site, or use reader mode etc.
If youtube does that, I will stop using the site and wait for a workaround to be written. You could preload the videos and cut out the ads, for example.
Worst and worst…
And of course this happened inline with the ads on pause so its either you pay us a fuck ton of money per month or suffer from advertisements thank god for ublock origin and firefox