I haven’t bought a triple a game on release in ten or fifteen years. For this one enough of my friends were already playing it for several days by the time I got it that it’s hard to see it as “early” (certainly not patient, either, but it’s fun to cheat on a diet now and then). And I’m really not finding it buggy particularly, no more than any non-aaa title would be shortly after launch. I hate to be overly kind to Bethesda but it’s really not worth the hate the net is leveling at it
You used to be able to literally brick your build (get to a point where it’s impossible to progress any further) in Bethesda games. I’m sure that’s changed now, but that paranoia lingers.
I worry that this also has a rose tinted glasses effect on early user reviews. The only people leaving reviews for the first few days are going to be the people already invested enough to pay extra for early access, and they may be more willing to overlook issues with the game.
I wonder how long it takes for some of those people to transfer to a more embittered relationship with Bethesda over it? Assuming any of them have that “I’m staring at a title screen realizing I haven’t actually had fun playing the game in weeks but the dopamine loop of the ‘loot, kill, craft’ system had me deluded into thinking I was enjoying myself. Like a social media doom-scroller or something” moment.
That’s precisely what I’m seeing with streams of the game. There’s so many bugs and just bizarre design decisions, especially with the opening hour or so, but the streamers then claim it’s a perfect game with no problems.
A significant amount of the bugs do seem to be based on how long you’ve been playing and how far into the game you’ve gotten. The farther you get, the more bugs start appearing.
Glad there’s a fix for that first one at least. That’s too bad, but it does seem to be very specific - if it’s prevalent outside one system then it’s definitely a huge issue though (and it’s big already).
For the second thread, I’m not really seeing any specific bugs outside of 2, it’s mostly just complaints about performance. I have over 1 day in save time so I’d have expected to have seen some of them by now I guess lol.
The only one through these threads I can corroborate is an NPC once turned around and faced the wrong way during conversation. Otherwise it’s simply been minor script delays - someone leave from an elevator that’s still closed so they run in super speed, or there’s a small delay when seating/conversing and the audio desyncs for one line before it’s back to normal. Once an NPC starting clipping into the air one step at a time, but then they reached the ceiling and it stopped.
I’ve been pleasantly surprised with the game honestly. Oh, one other bug I’ve seen that I’ve seen mentioned is a quest on random planets where we are to place a gas sensor on gas spews. Well, I’ve found gas spews but no quest icons appear. Others said there’s ways to make it pop up when they’re seen though.
Compared to my launch week 2077 which was also very bug free both Starfield and it seems to have a reputation that people want it to suck? The games have shortcomings, absolutely but have they realistically negatively affect my gameplay experience? So far for both games, they have not.
That said, if I’d dealt with that ship bug I’d have gone crazy! So I’m not at all trying to dismiss the bugs, but rather am just generally more confused as to why my 2077 experience was prisitine and my friends was a bug fest. Do we get different distributions of the game or something!?
I played 10hrs and refunded. (Thank god for Steam)
I feel like im in Truman Show. I see how shallow the game is. Everything is a facade. They try to mask the issues of their old game engine and people (streamers and reviewers) just eat it up. Im watching streams where they run into game breaking bugs several times but still praise the game like they have a script to follow.
The last drop was when I realized that it’s not as open and “huge scale” as people seem to think it is. It’s kind of “fake open” if that makes sense. You cannot get into your ship and fly 800m east to your mission. If you click on your mission marker and click travel, a new instance is loaded and your mission is not there. You have to go back and run those 800m.
You really don’t even need a ship honestly, you just fast travel everywhere.
I’ll probably get it once the price goes down to 30-40 bucks or so.
100 was waaaay too much for this shallow game.
You actually do need a ship for fast travel, and you can travel distance in space (thousands of meters) to other ships or space stations in space, but yeah you can’t travel to other planets manually, but why would you want to, the scale of the cosmos is just too big. People who were expecting seamless travel between planets and systems have never played Bethesda game before.
Why would it have to take hours?
You already spend hours jogging on the empty planet surface in Starfield, because you cannot use your ship to fly 800m east to your mission marker.
I mean, they straight up said that 90% of planets will be empty.
As far as spreading out the handcrafted content goes, in my 60 hours it’s been pretty good, but I also deliberately stick primarily to actual quests, only dipping into random exploration and proc-gen mission board quests like bounties and cargo delivery on occasion. I was initally worried that the handcrafted stuff would be limited to the three major cities, but there’s plenty of other towns and locations out there. I think there’s like three small towns just in the Sol system. It feels like every other system has one or two big handcrafted locations or questlines. I came across stuff like a resort town, a small assortment of settlers I had to negotiate a mutual defense pact for, an abandoned zero-g casino space station, a mercenary bar/motel with the absolute motherload of contraband (and a free ship), just to name a few.
The side and faction quests also are almost entirely handcrafted locations and not just clearing out enemies in generic locations like half the stuff in FO4 was. All the proc-gen quests have been relegated to Mission Boards, so every quest you get from an NPC will be an actual quest, although I had to do one single proc-gen mission to join one of the factions.
Also I’m surprised you saw that many game breaking bugs on streams, because it’s actually a very stable release. There’s some of the usual Creation Engine physics stuff, or an NPC might stand on a table or something, but I haven’t really encountered all that many bugs.
I can see a lot of bad new standards develop from this, but i also recognise it gets more than just early review copies out rhe door before the majority buys the game making it a tactic bad games cant do and will reward good games to cash in. Still. Lots of potential bad stuff is intertwined with these same points
My concern is when I’m seeing streamers play games like Starfield and run into a ton of bugs, often game-breaking ones, but then go and praise the game to high heaven.
I just want a basement level of proper standards, that’s all I’m asking for.
have you seen what happens if you say you didn’t like it? you’re told you’re a troll, you’re negative, you “just don’t get it”, or they take your criticism and then act like the only alternative is the complete and total opposite of that and try and pull a ‘gotcha’
on one hand I would obviously LOVE for reviews (across the board, not just in gaming) to be realistic and not all be 7+/10 but I also understand why they don’t to an extent
I’m watching a streamer play the game, and what I see looks like I’d have some fun, and others probably feel the same way.
I’m just not interested in playing at like 30fps on a 3080. Maybe some patches or driver updates can improve things and I’ll check it out in the Steam Winter Sale or something.
I’ve also watched some streams, and the performance hasn’t even been my biggest concern. I’m just… not interested? It hasn’t been gripping me. Even though there are these shiny new things and bells and whistles, it still just looks like another Bethesda game to me, but with a blander setting this time. Though maybe it’s more fun to play than watch. I just haven’t really seen anything that makes me go “goddamn I gotta get a piece of that”.
Here are some numbers. I’m at 42 hours played. Resolution 2k, settings are on High. Ryzen 5800x and a Radeon RX 6800xt. The last session of ~5 hours had an average FPS of 108, Starfield is more optimized than BG:3 and Remnant 2… at least for AMD. I had to lower a lot of Remnant 2 settings and it still averages around 55.
Ony 3080 with a 5900x I’m constantly getting 60fps at 1080p (unfortunately for now that’s the only screen I have), meanwhile BG3 would dip to low 10s after a few minutes of playing every time
EDIT: I would also like to add that I didn’t use DLSS or FSR in both games, since my hardware is more than capable of running both on maximum quality at 60fps 1080p.
That’s exactly what I have, but I play on 3840x1600, 24:10 Ultrawide.
I don’t remember BG3 giving me any problems, even in Act 3, before the last patch, that supposedly addresses some performance problems. I loaded up a save just now and get ~50fps running around in the Lower City (very short test, only like two minutes). That’s with most settings maxed and DLSS Quality.
Depending on the area, I’d probably get similar numbers in Starfield (according to the benchmarks I’ve seen), but for me, it’s a difference playing an FPS or isometric RPG.
AMD folks are having a good time, but nvidia folks will need to wait. The game is purposefully not optimized for nvidia at the moment due to AMD sponsorship. (Also potentially to point out that many AAA titles tend to be optimized for nvidia but not AMD at launch)
CPUs though, since with those, AMD is much worse than Intel
Simply untrue with later AMD. Slight advantage to Intel, but not the blowout it used to be. Intel loses entirely if power consumption and cost is taken into account.
But of course, games rely largely on GPU power, and the CPU concern is generally secondary.
In Starfield the 13900K is 20% better than the best AMD offering, the 7800X3D. Even the 13600K is better than any AMD CPU. A 13100 is on the same level as the 5800X3D. I wouldn’t call that just a slight advantage.
It’s only this game right now, that’s why I’m saying something might be up.
I heard this is because NVIDIA didn’t fund optimizations. AMD did so it’s running a lot better for them. I said fuck it and bought an Xbox with 2 year payment plan and game pass included. Cause no way my 1080ti is ever gonna play this game that good I don’t think. End of an era.
My 980 is pulling 30 fps with most things on medium and high, and shadows on low because it has the most effect on performance.
Also turn off resolution scaling, for nvidia at least, don’t know about AMD cards.
With resolution scaling it doesn’t matter if you’re using AMD or Nvidia, it’s doing the same thing and looks the same on both vendors.
If your GPU supports it (RTX cards), you can mod DLSS into the game and then get (supposedly) better image quality, on the same level of scaling as the non-modded FSR2, or potentially lowering the scaling even more, for better performance, while still getting a comparable image as a higher FSR2 preset.
Microsoft? Fix bugs? Are we thinking of the same microsoft? Best they can do is integrate a weather app nobody asked for. And install candy crush without your consent.
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Shame. If people keep paying for “head start”, companies will keep selling them and making bank off FOMO.
On the plus side, plenty of guides getting created so I can start tomorrow without fear of fucking up my first character too badly.
I haven’t bought a triple a game on release in ten or fifteen years. For this one enough of my friends were already playing it for several days by the time I got it that it’s hard to see it as “early” (certainly not patient, either, but it’s fun to cheat on a diet now and then). And I’m really not finding it buggy particularly, no more than any non-aaa title would be shortly after launch. I hate to be overly kind to Bethesda but it’s really not worth the hate the net is leveling at it
I too like to wait until people can tell me how i have to play the game.
RPGs almost always need a little hint on what’s actually useful, this game doesn’t have respecting AFAIK and is obviously quite long.
You used to be able to literally brick your build (get to a point where it’s impossible to progress any further) in Bethesda games. I’m sure that’s changed now, but that paranoia lingers.
I worry that this also has a rose tinted glasses effect on early user reviews. The only people leaving reviews for the first few days are going to be the people already invested enough to pay extra for early access, and they may be more willing to overlook issues with the game.
I wonder how long it takes for some of those people to transfer to a more embittered relationship with Bethesda over it? Assuming any of them have that “I’m staring at a title screen realizing I haven’t actually had fun playing the game in weeks but the dopamine loop of the ‘loot, kill, craft’ system had me deluded into thinking I was enjoying myself. Like a social media doom-scroller or something” moment.
That’s precisely what I’m seeing with streams of the game. There’s so many bugs and just bizarre design decisions, especially with the opening hour or so, but the streamers then claim it’s a perfect game with no problems.
Can you give some examples? I’ve had 1 bug and it was a character rising into the sky. It was after like 10+ hours of play
A significant amount of the bugs do seem to be based on how long you’ve been playing and how far into the game you’ve gotten. The farther you get, the more bugs start appearing.
People have been reporting various bugs in a number of places. Here’s one example: https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/168i21o/psa_major_bug_do_not_board_enemy_ships_to_capture/
And a bunch of people bringing up various things here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/166vco5/starfield_bugsissues/
Glad there’s a fix for that first one at least. That’s too bad, but it does seem to be very specific - if it’s prevalent outside one system then it’s definitely a huge issue though (and it’s big already).
For the second thread, I’m not really seeing any specific bugs outside of 2, it’s mostly just complaints about performance. I have over 1 day in save time so I’d have expected to have seen some of them by now I guess lol.
The only one through these threads I can corroborate is an NPC once turned around and faced the wrong way during conversation. Otherwise it’s simply been minor script delays - someone leave from an elevator that’s still closed so they run in super speed, or there’s a small delay when seating/conversing and the audio desyncs for one line before it’s back to normal. Once an NPC starting clipping into the air one step at a time, but then they reached the ceiling and it stopped.
I’ve been pleasantly surprised with the game honestly. Oh, one other bug I’ve seen that I’ve seen mentioned is a quest on random planets where we are to place a gas sensor on gas spews. Well, I’ve found gas spews but no quest icons appear. Others said there’s ways to make it pop up when they’re seen though.
Compared to my launch week 2077 which was also very bug free both Starfield and it seems to have a reputation that people want it to suck? The games have shortcomings, absolutely but have they realistically negatively affect my gameplay experience? So far for both games, they have not.
That said, if I’d dealt with that ship bug I’d have gone crazy! So I’m not at all trying to dismiss the bugs, but rather am just generally more confused as to why my 2077 experience was prisitine and my friends was a bug fest. Do we get different distributions of the game or something!?
As someone that doesn’t mind waiting, I appreciate all the people paying to beta test the games before I play them.
I played 10hrs and refunded. (Thank god for Steam)
I feel like im in Truman Show. I see how shallow the game is. Everything is a facade. They try to mask the issues of their old game engine and people (streamers and reviewers) just eat it up. Im watching streams where they run into game breaking bugs several times but still praise the game like they have a script to follow.
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The last drop was when I realized that it’s not as open and “huge scale” as people seem to think it is. It’s kind of “fake open” if that makes sense. You cannot get into your ship and fly 800m east to your mission. If you click on your mission marker and click travel, a new instance is loaded and your mission is not there. You have to go back and run those 800m.
You really don’t even need a ship honestly, you just fast travel everywhere.
I’ll probably get it once the price goes down to 30-40 bucks or so.
100 was waaaay too much for this shallow game.
You actually do need a ship for fast travel, and you can travel distance in space (thousands of meters) to other ships or space stations in space, but yeah you can’t travel to other planets manually, but why would you want to, the scale of the cosmos is just too big. People who were expecting seamless travel between planets and systems have never played Bethesda game before.
God forbid we hope for technical improvements in 2023, for 80€.
It wouldn’t be an improvement, it would be really dull, would you travel for hours through empty space for the “immersion”?
Why would it have to take hours?
You already spend hours jogging on the empty planet surface in Starfield, because you cannot use your ship to fly 800m east to your mission marker.
You can fly thousands of meters in space to other ships and space stations.
I mean, they straight up said that 90% of planets will be empty.
As far as spreading out the handcrafted content goes, in my 60 hours it’s been pretty good, but I also deliberately stick primarily to actual quests, only dipping into random exploration and proc-gen mission board quests like bounties and cargo delivery on occasion. I was initally worried that the handcrafted stuff would be limited to the three major cities, but there’s plenty of other towns and locations out there. I think there’s like three small towns just in the Sol system. It feels like every other system has one or two big handcrafted locations or questlines. I came across stuff like a resort town, a small assortment of settlers I had to negotiate a mutual defense pact for, an abandoned zero-g casino space station, a mercenary bar/motel with the absolute motherload of contraband (and a free ship), just to name a few.
The side and faction quests also are almost entirely handcrafted locations and not just clearing out enemies in generic locations like half the stuff in FO4 was. All the proc-gen quests have been relegated to Mission Boards, so every quest you get from an NPC will be an actual quest, although I had to do one single proc-gen mission to join one of the factions.
Also I’m surprised you saw that many game breaking bugs on streams, because it’s actually a very stable release. There’s some of the usual Creation Engine physics stuff, or an NPC might stand on a table or something, but I haven’t really encountered all that many bugs.
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I can see a lot of bad new standards develop from this, but i also recognise it gets more than just early review copies out rhe door before the majority buys the game making it a tactic bad games cant do and will reward good games to cash in. Still. Lots of potential bad stuff is intertwined with these same points
My concern is when I’m seeing streamers play games like Starfield and run into a ton of bugs, often game-breaking ones, but then go and praise the game to high heaven.
I just want a basement level of proper standards, that’s all I’m asking for.
have you seen what happens if you say you didn’t like it? you’re told you’re a troll, you’re negative, you “just don’t get it”, or they take your criticism and then act like the only alternative is the complete and total opposite of that and try and pull a ‘gotcha’
on one hand I would obviously LOVE for reviews (across the board, not just in gaming) to be realistic and not all be 7+/10 but I also understand why they don’t to an extent
Bro you gotta watch better streamers holy shit
I’m watching a streamer play the game, and what I see looks like I’d have some fun, and others probably feel the same way.
I’m just not interested in playing at like 30fps on a 3080. Maybe some patches or driver updates can improve things and I’ll check it out in the Steam Winter Sale or something.
I’ve also watched some streams, and the performance hasn’t even been my biggest concern. I’m just… not interested? It hasn’t been gripping me. Even though there are these shiny new things and bells and whistles, it still just looks like another Bethesda game to me, but with a blander setting this time. Though maybe it’s more fun to play than watch. I just haven’t really seen anything that makes me go “goddamn I gotta get a piece of that”.
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Here are some numbers. I’m at 42 hours played. Resolution 2k, settings are on High. Ryzen 5800x and a Radeon RX 6800xt. The last session of ~5 hours had an average FPS of 108, Starfield is more optimized than BG:3 and Remnant 2… at least for AMD. I had to lower a lot of Remnant 2 settings and it still averages around 55.
Ony 3080 with a 5900x I’m constantly getting 60fps at 1080p (unfortunately for now that’s the only screen I have), meanwhile BG3 would dip to low 10s after a few minutes of playing every time
EDIT: I would also like to add that I didn’t use DLSS or FSR in both games, since my hardware is more than capable of running both on maximum quality at 60fps 1080p.
That’s exactly what I have, but I play on 3840x1600, 24:10 Ultrawide.
I don’t remember BG3 giving me any problems, even in Act 3, before the last patch, that supposedly addresses some performance problems. I loaded up a save just now and get ~50fps running around in the Lower City (very short test, only like two minutes). That’s with most settings maxed and DLSS Quality.
Depending on the area, I’d probably get similar numbers in Starfield (according to the benchmarks I’ve seen), but for me, it’s a difference playing an FPS or isometric RPG.
AMD folks are having a good time, but nvidia folks will need to wait. The game is purposefully not optimized for nvidia at the moment due to AMD sponsorship. (Also potentially to point out that many AAA titles tend to be optimized for nvidia but not AMD at launch)
That doesn’t explain the CPUs though, since with those, AMD is much worse than Intel, so it’s not just a simple “game is optimized for AMD.”
Simply untrue with later AMD. Slight advantage to Intel, but not the blowout it used to be. Intel loses entirely if power consumption and cost is taken into account.
But of course, games rely largely on GPU power, and the CPU concern is generally secondary.
In Starfield the 13900K is 20% better than the best AMD offering, the 7800X3D. Even the 13600K is better than any AMD CPU. A 13100 is on the same level as the 5800X3D. I wouldn’t call that just a slight advantage.
It’s only this game right now, that’s why I’m saying something might be up.
Sauce?
Hardware Unboxed Starfield CPU Benchmark
I heard this is because NVIDIA didn’t fund optimizations. AMD did so it’s running a lot better for them. I said fuck it and bought an Xbox with 2 year payment plan and game pass included. Cause no way my 1080ti is ever gonna play this game that good I don’t think. End of an era.
1080ti could’ve been a solid 30fps experience…
Not what I’m hearing. Maybe after some more patches and a new driver.
My 980 is pulling 30 fps with most things on medium and high, and shadows on low because it has the most effect on performance. Also turn off resolution scaling, for nvidia at least, don’t know about AMD cards.
With resolution scaling it doesn’t matter if you’re using AMD or Nvidia, it’s doing the same thing and looks the same on both vendors.
If your GPU supports it (RTX cards), you can mod DLSS into the game and then get (supposedly) better image quality, on the same level of scaling as the non-modded FSR2, or potentially lowering the scaling even more, for better performance, while still getting a comparable image as a higher FSR2 preset.
Wow! Good job getting your 980 to run this! Gives me hope for playing on my PC with cross save in the future!!
It’s technically sponsored by AMD, which is why you
couldcan get it free with a processor or GPU upgrade.Edit: could to can, the offer is open until October apparently
It’s all over the place. Some AMD GPUs are far better than the equivalent Nvidia GPUs, but then AMD CPUs are seemingly much worse than Intel.
Then there’s reports of Nvidia cards sometimes being stuck at like 60% power, which of course doesn’t help either.
Damn what a mess. I was hearing for Linux the mesa driver makes the game run pretty well for AMD cards.
Being a patient gamer is best. We need to give it at least 6 months for Bathesda to optimize the game and fix the major bugs.
Modders already on top of optimization. DLCC 2.0 mod already out there. Runs 40-50 fps 4K/ultra on my system unmodded. 3080ti, 12900k, 128GB DDR5, m2.
They haven’t even fixed Skyrim yet.
I hope that since Bathesda is now a Microsoft studio, Microsoft is going to be persistent with bug fixes. But maybe it’s a tall order.
Microsoft? Fix bugs? Are we thinking of the same microsoft? Best they can do is integrate a weather app nobody asked for. And install candy crush without your consent.
Take a look at Halo Infinite’s networking problems that persist for more than a year.
One can hope, but I kinda doubt that they can pull out like a 50% performance uplift, unless there’s just some weird bugs that tank performance.