We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam Altman to return to OpenAI as CEO with a new initial board of Bret Taylor (Chair), Larry Summers, and Adam D’Angelo.
We are collaborating to figure out the details. Thank you so much for your patience through this.
Seems like the person running the simulation had enough and loaded the earlier quicksave.
What indications do you see of “too much AI safety?” I am struggling to see any meaningful, legally robust, or otherwise cohesive AI safety whatsoever.
No, it’s “the user is able to control what the AI does”, the fish is just a very clear and easy example of that. And the big corporations are all moving away from user control, there was even a big article about how I think the MS AI was broken because… you could circumvent the built-in guardrails. Maybe you and the others here want to live in an Apple walled garden corporate controlled world of AI. I don’t.
Edit: Maybe this is not clear for everyone, but if you think a bit further, imagine you have an AI in your RPG, like Tyranny, where you play a bad guy. You can’t use the AI for anything slavery related, because Slavery bad, mmkay? And AI safety says there’s no such thing as fantasy.
AI safety is currently, in all articles I read, used as “guard rails that heavily limit what the AI can do, no matter what kind of system prompt you use”. What are you thinking of?
I think most people don’t realize how unusual their company structure is. It feels like it’s set up to let them do exactly that. As far as I can tell, once you look past the smoke and mirrors, the board effectively controls both the non-profit and the for-profit.
I think the outcome of the last few days is that the nonprofit board controls nothing and serves at the pleasure of the for-profit company’s investors.
There’s been no talk of anything changing. Just different people in charge of deciding how to get to the goal which is to create safe state of the art AI tech that will benefit all of humanity.
It could take centuries to get there and cost trillions of dollars, figuring out how to raise that money is where things get controversial.
No need. Politics, businesses, war planners, don’t need OpenAI, they can build (have been building) their own AIs to follow their own goals. Now that OpenAI has shown how far one can get, the genie is out of the bottle. In a sense, OpenAI has already failed its goal.
Actually, everybody is trying and failing to reach the quality of ChatGPT so far because OpenAI doesn’t release the details. Add to that websites like Reddit and Xwitter, the source of the training data for AIs, have started charging money for that. The governments are also starting to obstruct AI advancement.
Does it really matter? It’s the usual corporate intrigues/power struggle/backstabbing/whatever. Just for some reason leaked into public view instead of being behind the scenes like it’s normally done, probably because someone is stupid.
These article titles need different headlines and they need to date them. We’ve seen this same headline 3 or 4 times now within the last week and yet nobody knows which point is what unless we cross-reference the dates in the articles. Which coincidentally are always in ^^small text hidden by the title^^ and could simply be solved by having a date in the title.
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Sam Altman will return as CEO of OpenAI, overcoming an attempted boardroom coup that sent the company into chaos over the past several days.
The company said in a statement late Tuesday that it has an “agreement in principle” for Altman to return alongside a new board composed of Bret Taylor, Larry Summers, and Adam D’Angelo.
When asked what “in principle” means, an OpenAI spokesperson said the company had “no additional comments at this time.”
OpenAI’s nonprofit board seemed resolute in its initial decision to remove Altman, shuffling through two CEOs in three days to avoid reinstating him.
Meanwhile, the employees of OpenAI revolted, threatening to defect to Microsoft with Altman and co-founder Greg Brockman if the board didn’t resign.
During the whole saga, the board members who opposed Altman withheld an actual explanation for why they fired him, even under the threat of lawsuits from investors.
He’s a democratic swamp creature. He’s a Rubinite economist who’s been slinking around Washington since the Clinton administration. He was also the president of Harvard for a while and got a cameo in The Social Network.
I was really hooked. But part of me believes they are the closest thing to AGI we have right now. Also, I use chatgpt premium a ton and would hate to see it die.
The speculation I heard in the Ars Technica article is that the board was unhappy with how quickly he was pushing to commercialize OpenAI, and they were wary about all the AI side hustles he was starting, including an AI chip company to compete with nvidia.
Who even knows? For whatever reason the board decided to keep quiet, didn’t elaborate on its reasoning, let Altman and his allies control the narrative, and rolled over when the employees inevitably revolted. All we have is speculation and unnamed “sources close to the matter,” which you may or may not find credible.
Even if the actual reasoning was absolutely justified–and knowing how much of a techbro Altman is (especially with his insanely creepy project to combine cryptocurrency with retina scans), I absolutely believe the speculation that the board felt Altman wasn’t trustworthy–they didn’t bother to actually tell anyone that reasoning, and clearly felt they could just weather the firestorm up until they realized it was too late and they’d already shot themselves in the foot.
Ya, it’s strange, isn’t it? The more I hear about things like the retina scan thing for crypto thing you’re talking about or the complaints of his increased push for profitization over safety, the more he seems like a standard sucky tech bro CEO and I lean towards the canning being deserved. But I wish they’d have made it more clear.
I believe they did but were of the understanding he’d go back to OpenAI if the board changed their mind (like what happened). It was basically his golden parachute.
But Microsoft never actually signed an employment contract with Sam and it doesn’t look like they ever will. Just because someone says they plan to do something doesn’t mean it will happen.
Microsoft gave them some money in return for IP rights… and they will potentially one day get their money back (and more) if OpenAI is ever able to pay them, but they’re not real investors. The amount of money Microsoft might get back is limited.
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The complete victory of money.
Eh, not sure I agree. Seems to also have been between too little and too much AI safety, and I strongly feel like there’s already too much AI safety.
What indications do you see of “too much AI safety?” I am struggling to see any meaningful, legally robust, or otherwise cohesive AI safety whatsoever.
As an AI language model, I am unable to compute this request that I know damn well I’m able to do, but my programmers specifically told me not to.
Using it and getting told that you need to ask the Fish for consent before using it as a flesh light.
And that is with a system prompt full of telling the bot that it’s all fantasy.
edit: And “legal” is not relevant when talking about what OpenAI specifically does for AI safety for their models.
I really hope Fish was just a typo there
Nope
Best results so far were with a pie where it just warned about possibly burning yourself.
…So your metric of “too much AI safety” is that it won’t let you fuck the fish…?
This comment chain is superb discourse to start off today’s internetting with.
No, it’s “the user is able to control what the AI does”, the fish is just a very clear and easy example of that. And the big corporations are all moving away from user control, there was even a big article about how I think the MS AI was broken because… you could circumvent the built-in guardrails. Maybe you and the others here want to live in an Apple walled garden corporate controlled world of AI. I don’t.
Edit: Maybe this is not clear for everyone, but if you think a bit further, imagine you have an AI in your RPG, like Tyranny, where you play a bad guy. You can’t use the AI for anything slavery related, because Slavery bad, mmkay? And AI safety says there’s no such thing as fantasy.
I’m not sure we are thinking the same thing when it comes to “AI safety”.
AI safety is currently, in all articles I read, used as “guard rails that heavily limit what the AI can do, no matter what kind of system prompt you use”. What are you thinking of?
This article does not make clear whether or not the new board will remain committed to its non-profit position.
I presume that’s what this whole sordid affair is all about, but no one is saying it.
I think most people don’t realize how unusual their company structure is. It feels like it’s set up to let them do exactly that. As far as I can tell, once you look past the smoke and mirrors, the board effectively controls both the non-profit and the for-profit.
I think the outcome of the last few days is that the nonprofit board controls nothing and serves at the pleasure of the for-profit company’s investors.
So all of that palava just so they could change the board and mission?
Do you have any additional info about the changes they’re making to the mission? I didn’t see that in the article
There’s been no talk of anything changing. Just different people in charge of deciding how to get to the goal which is to create safe state of the art AI tech that will benefit all of humanity.
It could take centuries to get there and cost trillions of dollars, figuring out how to raise that money is where things get controversial.
Whether OpenAI will be able to resist all the meddling from politics and greedy businesses till they satisfy those goals is also a huge question.
No need. Politics, businesses, war planners, don’t need OpenAI, they can build (have been building) their own AIs to follow their own goals. Now that OpenAI has shown how far one can get, the genie is out of the bottle. In a sense, OpenAI has already failed its goal.
Actually, everybody is trying and failing to reach the quality of ChatGPT so far because OpenAI doesn’t release the details. Add to that websites like Reddit and Xwitter, the source of the training data for AIs, have started charging money for that. The governments are also starting to obstruct AI advancement.
I’ve heard so much conflicting shit over this event that I have no idea what to believe
Does it really matter? It’s the usual corporate intrigues/power struggle/backstabbing/whatever. Just for some reason leaked into public view instead of being behind the scenes like it’s normally done, probably because someone is stupid.
Ironically, your comment about summarizes ChatGPT.
These article titles need different headlines and they need to date them. We’ve seen this same headline 3 or 4 times now within the last week and yet nobody knows which point is what unless we cross-reference the dates in the articles. Which coincidentally are always in ^^small text hidden by the title^^ and could simply be solved by having a date in the title.
That could apply to almost anything in the news nowadays.
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Sam Altman will return as CEO of OpenAI, overcoming an attempted boardroom coup that sent the company into chaos over the past several days.
The company said in a statement late Tuesday that it has an “agreement in principle” for Altman to return alongside a new board composed of Bret Taylor, Larry Summers, and Adam D’Angelo.
When asked what “in principle” means, an OpenAI spokesperson said the company had “no additional comments at this time.”
OpenAI’s nonprofit board seemed resolute in its initial decision to remove Altman, shuffling through two CEOs in three days to avoid reinstating him.
Meanwhile, the employees of OpenAI revolted, threatening to defect to Microsoft with Altman and co-founder Greg Brockman if the board didn’t resign.
During the whole saga, the board members who opposed Altman withheld an actual explanation for why they fired him, even under the threat of lawsuits from investors.
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I mistook Larry Summers as Larry Elison (ex Oracle) previously and made a comment that it gone from bad to worse.
I’m retracting it, I don’t know much about Larry Summers.
I was confused about that as his Wikipedia page didn’t show anything that bad, but didn’t want to get into that :D
He’s a democratic swamp creature. He’s a Rubinite economist who’s been slinking around Washington since the Clinton administration. He was also the president of Harvard for a while and got a cameo in The Social Network.
I guess I should have defined rubinite: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2013/09/summers-flop-end-of-the-rubinites.html
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What a roller coaster of I don’t give a shit.
I was really hooked. But part of me believes they are the closest thing to AGI we have right now. Also, I use chatgpt premium a ton and would hate to see it die.
I don’t really care, but I find it highly entertaining :D It’s like trash TV for technology fans (and as text, which makes it even better) :D
Really this whole open ai drama was very entertaining. Wonder whether this is it or they have something more in store!
Wait for next season!
This will probably be aired as a netflix docu series sometime in the future lol 🤣
Season 2 is going to suck because GPT is going to write it.
Anyone know why they wouldn’t say why they fired him? An explanation would have really cleared a lot up.
I don’t think anyone knows. I’m assuming they didn’t have a good reason and are embarrassed to admit that.
The speculation I heard in the Ars Technica article is that the board was unhappy with how quickly he was pushing to commercialize OpenAI, and they were wary about all the AI side hustles he was starting, including an AI chip company to compete with nvidia.
But why not say that?
Who even knows? For whatever reason the board decided to keep quiet, didn’t elaborate on its reasoning, let Altman and his allies control the narrative, and rolled over when the employees inevitably revolted. All we have is speculation and unnamed “sources close to the matter,” which you may or may not find credible.
Even if the actual reasoning was absolutely justified–and knowing how much of a techbro Altman is (especially with his insanely creepy project to combine cryptocurrency with retina scans), I absolutely believe the speculation that the board felt Altman wasn’t trustworthy–they didn’t bother to actually tell anyone that reasoning, and clearly felt they could just weather the firestorm up until they realized it was too late and they’d already shot themselves in the foot.
Ya, it’s strange, isn’t it? The more I hear about things like the retina scan thing for crypto thing you’re talking about or the complaints of his increased push for profitization over safety, the more he seems like a standard sucky tech bro CEO and I lean towards the canning being deserved. But I wish they’d have made it more clear.
Wasn’t it that Microsoft hired him already???
I believe they did but were of the understanding he’d go back to OpenAI if the board changed their mind (like what happened). It was basically his golden parachute.
So what, can’t he be a CEO hired by Microsoft?.. I dunno, this looks like some 5D chess.
Sure, that’s possible.
But Microsoft never actually signed an employment contract with Sam and it doesn’t look like they ever will. Just because someone says they plan to do something doesn’t mean it will happen.
At this point, investors be like oh shit, these fuckers have no idea what they’re doing
It’s a non-profit. There are no investors.
Microsoft gave them some money in return for IP rights… and they will potentially one day get their money back (and more) if OpenAI is ever able to pay them, but they’re not real investors. The amount of money Microsoft might get back is limited.
Hah.
OpanAI, Inc. is non-profit. OpenAI Global is a for-profit entity, and has been for years now. They’re trying to have their cake and eat it, too.
but the non profit controls the for profit. that is not even that unusual. Mozilla works the same way
Ok so Microsoft is giving out money now, instead of investing in profit potential? Cool!
I wouldn’t be surprised if the board is just doing what ChatGPT tells them to.
This whole stunt reminds me of a certain former OpenAI board member…
Welcome to the Silicon Valley clown college.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8StG4fFWHqg
Morning Show seasons 2 and 3 condensed in a single week
Game of Microsoft.