It’s funny because your new (commercial) outlook and the new (general public) outlook subscribers get from MS is not fully identical.
M$ wanted me to upload my emails.
The only reason I ever even tried “Outlook (new)” was because the old Microsoft “Mail” app was trash (the piece of shit wouldn’t even let me send plain text email). I immediately lost interest as soon as I realized there was a bunch of 365 shit bundled into it that I couldn’t disable.
The new Outlook looks like a standalone app version of OWA. They’re probably doing that to unify code bases but it’s seriously lacking some features that Outlook had.
Can’t open PST files
Sort was borked
Couldn’t set caching options for Exchange
And that’s just a few I remember. Though it’s been a good year since I’ve played with it last.
@ramble81@ElCanut
It is still super slow and feels limited compared to the old one.
Rules as example are really bad since it allows only a single action of given type. So to label a mail with different labels I need a rule per label instead of a single one in the previous Outlook version.
I’ve been using it at work and its fine. Honestly, Outlook has no many strange features that date back a decade or two that have very few users that it makes sense to purge a bunch of them in favor of reducing technical debt
I wonder if the tasks pane has been added to the new outlook yet. Last time I tried it at work it was no where to be found. I like having my flagged items next to my inbox.
That was actually just added in a recent update like a month ago! I’ve started using it a lot at work, but annoyingly you still have to go to the dedicated tasks webapp for full edit capabilities
I tried the “New Outlook” a few months ago. There was no longer a Save As option for attachments. All attachments were downloaded to the default downloads directory.
My company moved from using Gmail to Outlook and I saw it as an opportunity to migrate to Thunderbird/K9-Mail.
Best decision I made, it was a bit rough at the beggining because it needed some extension to Sync contacts but it works much faster than the shitty Outlook app/web.
I’ve used Thunderbird in the past (some years ago), but eventually switched to Outlook because of contacts and calendar sync and integration IIRC. Integration with extensions was always a hassle and most didn’t really work IIRC.
(New) disabled all my inbox rules and since you can’t create new rules in the OWA irom what I could see, there was basically no management. Glad I moved my personal stuff to Proton before they kill the standard Outlook app entirely
I am currently using the new outlook desktop version and there are rules. However, they seem to have cut “local only” stuff. I suspect that they moved the execution server side.
The year is 2056. There are 4^2048 characters required to display all of the “New”s for the latest version of Outlook. You’ve just bricked your fourth PC by trying to open an .ics
The year is 2026. The system requirements for Windows 12, shutting out 98% of the all current PCs in use, are set in place to manage Windows 12’s multiple new Outlook versions.
It’s still so weird to me that Microsoft - who has their own, now modern, native UI framework for Windows - barely uses it in any of their own applications, instead more and more relying on Electron Edge WebView2, barely following their own design language. Do they even want people to use Windows?
This is the same Microsoft that has consistently delivered a better Office suite (including Outlook) on macOS than Windows for almost 20 years now. It’s like they are afraid of their own technology or something.
It’s weird they use webviews given they maintain the desktop port of React Native (https://microsoft.github.io/react-native-windows/) which feels a lot better than a web view since it actually uses native UI components rather than just embedding a web browser.
It’s gotten to the point where Apple’s newer Windows apps (like Apple Music) look better than Microsoft’s, because Apple are actually building native WinUI apps.
And as an added bonus, trying to open this in “Calendar” would show up a blank screen, that closes again, opening again in “Outlook (new)” on Windows 11.
You’d think Microsoft would get the hang of versioning at this point…
Thunderbird has full MFA support for M365 accounts. It has to open the authentication page in a little window and I think has a shorter period to reauthenticate but otherwise works fine
The infuriating thing are the ‘do you want to switch back to old terms?’ messages. Like are you fucking serious what the fuck even is the point of that what the fuck are you even doing with these ‘new’ apps if you’re going to use the same pop ups in both directions basically.
I think that happens when you launch Teams from Start. But that Teams icon is actually the link to the Old Teams with the New Teams having its own also new but separate icon somewhere else in the Start menu…
I wish they called it “Outlook Express”, like the old free one. This is confusing.
They want to get rid of regular “Outlook”, but “Outlook (new)” is missing a LOT of features. It’s essentially just a webview that loads the web version, so it doesn’t have features like native add-ins and PST files and likely never will. It doesn’t look like any other Windows apps either. A good web interface, but a pretty bad app. Why even make it an app at that point? Just tell people to access the site.
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Jokes on you, I use the WebApp
Don’t we all ?
I use Outlook (new) at work, and I still sometimes look at the icon in the taskbar and think I have new emails because it has a little “new” badge.
It’s funny because your new (commercial) outlook and the new (general public) outlook subscribers get from MS is not fully identical.
M$ wanted me to upload my emails.
Outlook (no I don’t want it) (still) (really not) (WTF I SAID NO)
The only reason I ever even tried “Outlook (new)” was because the old Microsoft “Mail” app was trash (the piece of shit wouldn’t even let me send plain text email). I immediately lost interest as soon as I realized there was a bunch of 365 shit bundled into it that I couldn’t disable.
The new Outlook looks like a standalone app version of OWA. They’re probably doing that to unify code bases but it’s seriously lacking some features that Outlook had.
And that’s just a few I remember. Though it’s been a good year since I’ve played with it last.
@ramble81 @ElCanut
It is still super slow and feels limited compared to the old one.
Rules as example are really bad since it allows only a single action of given type. So to label a mail with different labels I need a rule per label instead of a single one in the previous Outlook version.
Tasks are missing completely not to speak of all of the advanced task management functions of old outlook.
I’ve been using it at work and its fine. Honestly, Outlook has no many strange features that date back a decade or two that have very few users that it makes sense to purge a bunch of them in favor of reducing technical debt
Like PST files? lol
I wonder if the tasks pane has been added to the new outlook yet. Last time I tried it at work it was no where to be found. I like having my flagged items next to my inbox.
That was actually just added in a recent update like a month ago! I’ve started using it a lot at work, but annoyingly you still have to go to the dedicated tasks webapp for full edit capabilities
I tried the “New Outlook” a few months ago. There was no longer a Save As option for attachments. All attachments were downloaded to the default downloads directory.
I immediately uninstalled and didn’t look back.
I think it tries to force you to save Office documents to SharePoint/OneDrive as well…
they’re just trying to con people into using the new data harvesting mail app by calling it ‘outlook’
Can’t put any kind of internal notes on emails.
Of course no email clients have that. Which is ridiculous.
Its the same it sucks. Had to switch back.
Also it forwards your SMPT/IMAP data to Microsoft without your consent.
No, no, Microsoft cares about my privacy. I get a daily popup reminding me of this and also asking for me to share my private data with them.
My company moved from using Gmail to Outlook and I saw it as an opportunity to migrate to Thunderbird/K9-Mail. Best decision I made, it was a bit rough at the beggining because it needed some extension to Sync contacts but it works much faster than the shitty Outlook app/web.
What do you use to sync contacts?
I’ve used Thunderbird in the past (some years ago), but eventually switched to Outlook because of contacts and calendar sync and integration IIRC. Integration with extensions was always a hassle and most didn’t really work IIRC.
https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-us/thunderbird/addon/tbsync/
and
https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-us/thunderbird/addon/eas-4-tbsync/
(New) disabled all my inbox rules and since you can’t create new rules in the OWA irom what I could see, there was basically no management. Glad I moved my personal stuff to Proton before they kill the standard Outlook app entirely
I am currently using the new outlook desktop version and there are rules. However, they seem to have cut “local only” stuff. I suspect that they moved the execution server side.
The big one for me is drag/drop, copy/paste, saving of emails and attachments between Outlook and the rest of Windows/Office is completely borked.
I have to keep both versions open at work to keep from going completely insane.
The year is 2056. There are 4^2048 characters required to display all of the “New”s for the latest version of Outlook. You’ve just bricked your fourth PC by trying to open an .ics
The year is 2026. The system requirements for Windows 12, shutting out 98% of the all current PCs in use, are set in place to manage Windows 12’s multiple new Outlook versions.
The year is 2076, we’re all now on Outlook OS.
Outlook not so good
Outlook (New) OS (NEW!)
Finally those Y2K consultants will get another project
It’s a trap!
I’m waiting for Outlook (Taylor’s Version).
It’s still so weird to me that Microsoft - who has their own, now modern, native UI framework for Windows - barely uses it in any of their own applications, instead more and more relying on Electron Edge WebView2, barely following their own design language. Do they even want people to use Windows?
This is the same Microsoft that has consistently delivered a better Office suite (including Outlook) on macOS than Windows for almost 20 years now. It’s like they are afraid of their own technology or something.
Sounds like Google
They finally accepted the web as the platform after all these years…
I’m like 90% sure this requires edge to be installed, even though the EU mandated that they make edge uninstallable. So that might be their game here.
https://developer.microsoft.com/de-de/microsoft-edge/webview2/?form=MA13LH#download
You can install WebView2 separately without the Edge GUI actually.
They don’t even use the windows built in notification system… baffles me every time.
It’s weird they use webviews given they maintain the desktop port of React Native (https://microsoft.github.io/react-native-windows/) which feels a lot better than a web view since it actually uses native UI components rather than just embedding a web browser.
It’s gotten to the point where Apple’s newer Windows apps (like Apple Music) look better than Microsoft’s, because Apple are actually building native WinUI apps.
Same thing with Teams
And as an added bonus, trying to open this in “Calendar” would show up a blank screen, that closes again, opening again in “Outlook (new)” on Windows 11.
You’d think Microsoft would get the hang of versioning at this point…
The office versions are so confusing and frustrating. I just wanna use the goddamn desktop program and not some web app.
Good lucl trying to research an issue :D
Mildlyinfuriating
After the downfall of Mail and eMclient simultaneously putting the clamps down, I’m happily rediscovering Thunderbird
Same. but I couldn’t set up my mfa protected work account in firebird
Thunderbird has full MFA support for M365 accounts. It has to open the authentication page in a little window and I think has a shorter period to reauthenticate but otherwise works fine
I’m liking Evolution so far, and for Windows+my phones a paid solution, Newton
Same shit with Teams.
What do you mean? Its easy!
Teams White and Purple=hotmail
Teams Purple and White=365 for business
Teams Lavender (new)=Electron App
Teams Mauve (with Knuckles)=Teams except you are talking exclusively to Copilot AI
Teams Royal Purple (360 Edition)= Used by the Kansas City Royals baseball team
Teams Sky-Blue and White (Me)=Skype for Business
Teams Periwinkle= Codename for Slack
i was halfway through your comment when i realized it was a joke
Only some of it is sadly.
The infuriating thing are the ‘do you want to switch back to old terms?’ messages. Like are you fucking serious what the fuck even is the point of that what the fuck are you even doing with these ‘new’ apps if you’re going to use the same pop ups in both directions basically.
I think that happens when you launch Teams from Start. But that Teams icon is actually the link to the Old Teams with the New Teams having its own also new but separate icon somewhere else in the Start menu…
Because Microsoft.
Damn, I was used to work around shitty stuff on Teams. Are you telling me they’re going to push another, different set of bugs on me now?
It’s Microsoft. There’s always more bugs on the way.
I wish they called it “Outlook Express”, like the old free one. This is confusing.
They want to get rid of regular “Outlook”, but “Outlook (new)” is missing a LOT of features. It’s essentially just a webview that loads the web version, so it doesn’t have features like native add-ins and PST files and likely never will. It doesn’t look like any other Windows apps either. A good web interface, but a pretty bad app. Why even make it an app at that point? Just tell people to access the site.