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This applys to so much more than just programming now, sadly

I see a lot of things that have a discord community.

Why is this? Is it a way for someone. To earn extra money? Or do they just like that platform?

Discord is easy to setup and use. It’s basically a chatroom with history. It can help build a community. It’s also a horrible way to store/archive information because it focuses on real-time communication. At larger scale it also tends to get too noisy.

JackbyDev
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easy to use

Doubt

Please provide your phone number to enter the room

JackbyDev
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Try Nitro!

I don’t care for the real-time communication aspect of it. In fact i find it unusable.

Am I supposed to just sit there and read random conversation and wait for a point to jump in?

Seems like it takes too much effort.

Especially when there’s multiple subjects being discussed on the same channel

I mean, that is what IRC chat rooms were back in the day. Or any public chatroom from the 90s.

Realtime communication has its part. We use Slack at work all the time. But searching Slack is a horrible way of replacing missing documentation.

TWeaK
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Lots of users gush over Discord for some reason. My impression is that more technically minded people don’t really like it, but your average user uses it for almost everything and encourages more services they like to use it. Hence why many reddit subs moved to Discord - the mods didn’t necessarily prefer it, but they were sent an overwhelming number of requests from their users.

Thanks for the heads up, i guess I just a bit too old to have been part of the discord group.

In the country where I live, it’s all Facebook messenger. It’s a shame as o think a number of people don’t really care for it, but everyone and every business uses it so we are kind stuck.

TWeaK
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Yeah I mean I don’t understand it either. Telegram is bad enough for me, can’t be assed with Discord.

It’s free*, insanely easy to set up, you don’t have to worry about port forwarding or ddos or hosting fees, has powerful moderation tools, and there’s a plethora of easy to deploy bots that help manage permissions and automate routine tasks. Literally, if it had a proper web-accessible forum similar to phpBB, it would be perfect.

Basically the same reasons subreddits supplanted forums.

Big P
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I think it can be useful for complex questions, but in my experience most of these discord servers are full of people asking very basic questions and very jaded people giving incredibly rude and cynical answers

And the people asking basic questions probably don’t want to be asking anyway. I know from my days on the arch forums you will alway get basic questions even when the manual is exhaustive, but I see so many discord communities where the documentation is woefully incomplete, and the result is predictable: a constant flood of basic questions.

And the people being rude about it have created their own frustration. They picked a bad platform and are mad about how it’s going. Further people who aren’t deeply involved see what a bunch of jerkasses the community maintainers are and just disengage.

Very complex questions should be discussed on traditional forums.

Big P
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True, that would make it better to find the answer. My experience with traditional forums though is that I have to sign up to a brand new website and make a post only to not get a response, and because it’s a brand new site I have to keep checking it for a response every day.

Brand New website? Most major topics have well established communities on old school forums 🤔

Big P
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New to me

I don’t think GitHub is social enough or the right tool to address bugs, talk about issues, or completely missing - ask for expertise. It’s not even democratic enough and done in such a way that makes what to work on clear at times.

Some code is still more art than work or science but still there is a notion that maybe if there was a better tool than GitHub there would be no need for a discord.

I recently built a 3D printer where the entire community for it lives on Discord. Their website instructions are horrifically out of date because all of the current changes have been discussed at some point on Discord. What should have been a 2-4 day project turned into a 2-3 week project due to the garbage involved in trying to strain information out of a massive multi-channel group chat with terrible search.

It wastes everyone’s time. The project maintainers have to keep answering the same questions, and the users don’t have instant access to answers

Why would any sane developer want to use this system to “document” their project? Written docs have worked well for a million years and there’s no need to change them.

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You can even include them in your version control system and allow others to suggest changes

And you can include separate ones right there in the root folder where the script lives. README.md renders out beautifully on GitHub.

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Poor bastard. I feel you. 💐

What printer is this so I can avoid it?

What 3d printer is this so I can avoid it?

I’m afraid they’re talking about the Voron printers, which are really great printers.

You’re probably right, but I can think of a couple other 3d printing projects that have the same issue.

The instructions on the Web are pretty good, unless you start messing with Tons of mods, but thats your own fault.

True, but they have access to so many better ways of documenting stuff…

Discord != Support
Discord != Archive
Discord != Issue tracker
Discord != Update news distribution platform

Jo Miran
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I’m 50 and I have a 23 year old “RTFM” t-shirt.

Avid Amoeba
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This context needs to be on the shirt.

Yes! Discord is such a black holes for good knowledge, it’s a crime

Does Discord now offer the ability to save/fav comments to find them again? When I used it the last time, i was amazed how everything just scrolls by without a possibility to hold on to something.

Since being forced to use this terrible communication method in my teams and groups, I’ve been copy-and-pasting good Q&A threads into text files that I push to an enterprise GitHub repo for perma-store. At least that way other engineers and myself can either use GitHub’s search or clone the repo locally, grep it, and even contribute back with PRs. Sometimes from there, turn into a wiki, but that’s pretty rare. My approach is horribly inefficient and so much stuff is still lost, but it’s better than Discord’s search or dealing with Confluence.

Hear hear!

I too find my garbage heap notes file checked into GitHub to be better than confluence.

But I hate confluence so much I should probably bring it up at therapy sometime…

Thank you for your service 🙏🙏

At my job we bought an entire different product (glean) and are paying them a ton of money every month just because they can search our confluence wiki effectively lol

You can search through the whole history of a channel

How is that the same than a favorite? I can also use a searchengine to find a website, but a bookmark is sometimes better. I can also search through all tweets on twitter, but having some marked as favorites come in handy sometimes. I use favorites and save lists in youtube quite a lot. Even though I could use the yt search bar each time.

Got this issue with the Voron 3d printer project. They claim RepRap open source heritage but then hide most of the discussion behind discord’s doors.

Requests to Discord are blocked by my company’s newest filters as “gaming”. 😶

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I mean, it’s not wrong? Discord is still primarily a gaming app built as a replacement for TeamSpeak and Ventrilo. The non-gaming use cases are still in the minority.

That’s true, but we had a work server there for voice chat

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Wow. I’d be self hosting mumble for that. Or using Teams.

Teams was crap at the time on our laptops.

I would’ve preferred a company wide IRC chat, but whatever.

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It’s still a shit ruling. Back in the day they just blocked all .io sites so you couldn’t play agar.io and so on. But all the IT sites we used were also blocked by that. So we had to go and ask the guy for every single one until he grew sick of it and opened it again

JackbyDev
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That’s like not letting Muslims on a plane because some are terrorists. What a lazy approach.

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Better than being blocked as tasteless. Encountered that one the other day.

Not wrong lol, it’s a gamer chat. It tried to rebrand as a regular chat app, but the entire gamer aesthetic says otherwise.

Also, putting documentation in a format that has way too many features so just reading docs takes up 40% of CPU usage. Yes ,fuck you for using gitbook, i hate it so fucking much

Hate this so much, very much into 3d printing (voron right now) and huge parts of the community are on discord it’s just an absolute pain to use

Annex engineering requires phone number verification to enter their discord. Fuck that.

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The phone number gatekeeping is annoying. I think ChatGPT requires it. I can’t use it because it won’t accept my phone number as I only use VoIP numbers. Never mind they used to be land and cell numbers I posted there. Same with some banking sites. No sms 2FA allowed because the gateway they use can’t jump to voip - the codes just never arrive.

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Do you have invite links?

Imo the discord works quite well. For mods the github repo us great and for most questions a diacord is enough. I like the fact that i can quickly share stuff and get answers. Forums always felt very clunky to me. I can use them, but the culture us often a bit shit, and then there are those that need registration to view posts or pictures. While those problems also apply to discord, i dont need a ton of accounts, i can somply join a server.

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Matrix chat as the core developer hangout I find is similar

spez
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true

I’m not 41 yet, but even if you csn somehow make a chat room app replace the functionality of code documentation or a few simple example code snippets… should you? You’re also hosting on GitHub and not on MEGA, even though you could…

man up, dude (obviously /s)

^ man as in the man thingy to understand a code, like manual

Fuck Discord.

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I just tried asking a question yesterday, and realized there’s basically no way to save / bookmark / whatever a specific thing… it’s seriously just a fucking chat room.

Yeah it’s literally just that. I still have no idea why it’s used as some kind of database by so many

It’s great for what it’s intended for, a gaming voice/text chat server.

Yeah I don’t get the hate for Discord here. If you use it for customer service or as a substitute for documentation, I can imagine it being annoying. It’s like using Excel for absolutely everything. Excel isn’t that bad, it’s just the people that use it badly make it so.

Seriously fuck discord

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No don’t, it’s a good chatting service, much better than Messenger for one. Fuck users who misuse a chat app as customer “service” rather than writing documentation!

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