Quebec nationalists spent all this time thinking about Quebec independence from Canada, when they could have been talking about the Quebecization of Canada instead. I’m here for it.
I’m 2020 52% of Puerto Ricans who voted said yes to joining the United States as a full fledged state. What about them, they actually want to be a part of this shithole country.
Who cares anymore? Federal government destroyed any idea of patriotism west of Ontario and east of the lower mainland a long time ago. Pursuing “post national state” wankery has consequences.
If the US is willing to adopt a Westminster parliamentary system, the Canadian charter of Rights, official bilingualism (or, well, trilingualism, because Spanish) and give up silly ideas like the 2nd Amendment and life tenure of SC justices, something could be worked out. What do you mean no?
(Charter of rights is a sham, nothing in it but removable privileges, it’s very obvious the person who wrote it wasn’t much for actual rights, and legal scholars back then decried this)
Remember, folks, those “subsidies” he’s talking are simply the result of an idiot looking at his country relying so much on importing our oil and other resources that they spend more to buy our stuff than they get from selling their own shit. He thinks that the U.S. is so perfect and awesome that there’s no way they could possibly be beholden to another country like this so obviously it means that they’re giving away money.
There is little growth left in the US. The natural resources are allocated, the population rinsed for $2 for every $1 they earn. National debt runs at numbers that are practically unimaginable by humans.
What is an expansionist empire to do ?
It’s not coincidence he’s talking about Canada, Greenland in this way. The oligarchs have been going after Europe for a decade.
These aren’t the ramblings of an idiot . It’s Americas plan.
Canada Mexico Panama Greenland now president Musk is talking about freeing the UK. America is on the war path it seems.
I think the world is going to be blind sided by this. Europe should get off of US tech. Everything the US says about China is something they can do also.
It was a subtle declaration of war the first time he brought it up. After repeating it a dozen more times, we really shouldn’t be ignoring this as a country.
The United States under Trump is a foreign threat with hostile intentions.
I’ve been losing weight all winter so far by fasting. Built a home gym out of used stuff off locals. Next is navigating that whole gun ownership thing I ignored my whole adult life thus far, and signing up for training. My mom’s friend teaches at a Canadian Tire that has a gun range.
I’m getting prepared for hard times, whatever they bring. Hopefully not the USA invades Canada scenario. We’d get rolled.
You dont train to fight in a war against america, you train to fight in an insurgency.
Americans have no stomach for occupation, they pissed and moaned and ultimately surrendered to the Taliban, and that was on the other side of the world. and the cultures and appearances were so different they might as well have been Aliens.
They’d cry “terrorism” every day of the week, but the Americans would be torn to shreds by Insurgent activity on both sides of the border if they betrayed us. Much like how the Russians marched into the land of their “brothers” with assault rifles, and then wondered why people speaking their language who looked like them, were suddenly killing them all over Russia.
They once said that Ukraine would get absolutely rolled by Russia within 3 days, 2 weeks tops.
Never underestimate a pissed off underdog, especially when fealty to the US President is nowhere near as “strong” / co-opted as in the Russian Federation.
Sure, but Canada doesn’t have the budget to match the mega trillion dollar army the U.S. has.
However, I doubt they would find enough recruits willing to go kill Canadians. They’d probably conscientiously object, except for a handful of bozos. Not to mention they’d probably get sanctioned by every fucking country around the world.
Conventionally Canada wouldn’t last more than a week.
Unconventionally, the insurgency and resistance would tear America to peices. for the same reason Russia’s plan for Ukraine was braindead and unfeasible.
When the cultures and appearance of two peoples who are each others neighbors are virtually indistinguishable, the resistance will tear the occupying apart from within. Ukraine has the benefit of having Europe on its border to flood them with Arms, Canada wouldn’t have that luxury, the Government would surrender quite quickly, and be replaced with a Quisling government, However resistance against the occupation, the Americans wouldn’t know what to do as they’d spend just as much time accidentally hunting their own people, (and lets be real, if something like this happened, America would de-facto already be in a state of civil war as large population centers revolt against a Fascist autocracy that’s attacking its own people and America’s historical allies and friends for no other reason than plain old fascism)
Because, believe it or not, we can’t just toss these statements like they don’t matter. The leader of a world superpower, both military and economically, is threatening our sovereignty.
the world in 2025 is multitudes more dangerous and volatile than the world the last time he was here. thats the issue.
We’ve seen an outbreak of inter-state war unlike anything since the 40s and 50s. With Russia and Ukraine And the rest of Europe, its the biggest state vs state conflict since Iran-Iraq in the 80s. and there are conflicts flaring up all over the world. Israel is going on a spree of settling every grudge they ever had, Syria as fallen, China is making final preparations for Taiwan, Azerbaijan looks like its going to invade Armenia, War is the hot topic of the 2020s.
Trump is an isolationist, if the world is going down in flames, he thinks it’s not unreasonable to suggest consolidating control over North America, just cuz.
And we know exactly what he is about. They’re just fueling the facist fire. There is a point where it becomes just more propoganda and that has happened long ago. This article has come up in CBC at least 3 times in the past several weeks.
If I was a CBC editor, I would tone it down, yes. If that’s what you meant, then I agree that we don’t have to platform every little media bait he tweets. But here’s Lemmy, there’s no editorial.
Those are meaningless questions to ask someone like Trump. It doesn’t matter and never will matter where he gets the statement. He just needs to never admit that he pulled that out of his ass, and accuse every fact checker of political bias or lying. Those are the rules in his playbook.
He obviously hasn’t thought it through. As one state, with a proportionate number of congressmen and electoral college votes, Canada would end up as the anti-Texas, dragging the political centre of gravity well into a Democratic majority. A Trumpist annexation would have to split Canada into two states, Alberta and the rest, as to gerrymander the outcome.
canada as a state and voting left, all else the same wrt u.s. presidential election process…
canada would have two senators, increasing the senate to 102 members. and in a reapportioned house, receive 44 seats, ‘taking’ 5 from california; 4 from tx; 3 from fl; 2 ea from il, ny, nc, pa; 1 ea from al, az, co, ct, ga, in, ks, ky, md, ma, mi, mn, mo, mt, ne, nj, oh, or, ri, sc, tn, va, wa, wi.
using 2024 state results (note: figuring ne and me would basically cancel each other out anyway and to keep my 2-minute spreadsheet simple, i just left those two states all-or-nothing), and assuming the great commonwealth of canada, now a u.s. state, would vote left…
looks like it woulda been 287 for r, 253 for d; with 271 needed to win.
just adding a state doesn’t change how electoral college votes are distributed, it’s still heavily skewed in favor of low-pop states because states get equal representation in the senate regardless of population. remember each member of congress… that’s house + senate… gives their state one ec vote. that’s why the hypothetical here doesn’t change the overall outcome.
if each province became a state instead… things might get ‘interesting’, then.
90% of the coutnry would be reorganized into “territories” with no representation, be given the Nestle/American Fruit Company treatment, turned into resource extraction zones ruled by Quisling Governors, and a few select urban areas might be granted something akin to early statehood, but it wouldnt get full rights for decades, after the population has been sufficiently assimilated and dissidents are killed.
, they can dress it up any way they want, but any scenario where two countries join and there is signifigant opposition and discontent within the population. it always ends up with death camps. See Russia’s “Filtration camps” in Ukraine.
Make no mistake, America taking over Canada in any way, is something to kill over. because they’re certainly gonna kill you or someone you love.
the territories are so small a population, taking them out (to be ‘left out’ like dc or puerto rico, or other u.s. territory–any of which is larger than any canadian territory by population) wouldn’t have changed anything.
but as states, they’d be, by far, the ‘best represented’ populations in congress and the electoral college. even nl and pei would be ‘over represented’ compared to wyoming (the lowest-pop state).
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It might happen if pollievre gets elected. Conservatives are little America worshippers.
actual conservatives aren’t, the problem is moderate conservatism has been taken over to use as a vehicle to normalize ultranationalism and fascism.
The Bloc Québécois might start getting elected outside Québec to form its own country… with other provinces.
You know, I would consider them if they ran outside of Quebec. Francophone issues make no difference either way to me.
Quebec nationalists spent all this time thinking about Quebec independence from Canada, when they could have been talking about the Quebecization of Canada instead. I’m here for it.
Tabarnak, in a good way!
I’m 2020 52% of Puerto Ricans who voted said yes to joining the United States as a full fledged state. What about them, they actually want to be a part of this shithole country.
They already are, technically. They just don’t have a voice on who their leader can be.
Who cares anymore? Federal government destroyed any idea of patriotism west of Ontario and east of the lower mainland a long time ago. Pursuing “post national state” wankery has consequences.
If the US is willing to adopt a Westminster parliamentary system, the Canadian charter of Rights, official bilingualism (or, well, trilingualism, because Spanish) and give up silly ideas like the 2nd Amendment and life tenure of SC justices, something could be worked out. What do you mean no?
Don’t forget health care.
(Charter of rights is a sham, nothing in it but removable privileges, it’s very obvious the person who wrote it wasn’t much for actual rights, and legal scholars back then decried this)
Remember, folks, those “subsidies” he’s talking are simply the result of an idiot looking at his country relying so much on importing our oil and other resources that they spend more to buy our stuff than they get from selling their own shit. He thinks that the U.S. is so perfect and awesome that there’s no way they could possibly be beholden to another country like this so obviously it means that they’re giving away money.
Canada has the control here, not those losers.
There is little growth left in the US. The natural resources are allocated, the population rinsed for $2 for every $1 they earn. National debt runs at numbers that are practically unimaginable by humans.
What is an expansionist empire to do ?
It’s not coincidence he’s talking about Canada, Greenland in this way. The oligarchs have been going after Europe for a decade.
These aren’t the ramblings of an idiot . It’s Americas plan.
Manifest Destiny has been America’s plan since it won the war for independence from Britain.
Canada Mexico Panama Greenland now president Musk is talking about freeing the UK. America is on the war path it seems. I think the world is going to be blind sided by this. Europe should get off of US tech. Everything the US says about China is something they can do also.
It was a subtle declaration of war the first time he brought it up. After repeating it a dozen more times, we really shouldn’t be ignoring this as a country.
The United States under Trump is a foreign threat with hostile intentions.
He literally just said he wants to take over Canada by “economic force”, I wish any articles included the full quote/context though.
At this point anyone advocating for or supporting Trump in Canada is guilty of high treason against Canada.
https://www.thecanadianpressnews.ca/national/trump-threatens-to-use-economic-force-to-make-canada-51st-state/article_157f3b30-d8e7-5e49-8e10-a1b39d680c16.html
minor ancedote, high treason is a term reserved for people already within the government or positions of authority. *
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I better hit the gym and get back in shape just in case…
Hit the ripper and upgrade your chrome, choom.
I’ve been losing weight all winter so far by fasting. Built a home gym out of used stuff off locals. Next is navigating that whole gun ownership thing I ignored my whole adult life thus far, and signing up for training. My mom’s friend teaches at a Canadian Tire that has a gun range.
I’m getting prepared for hard times, whatever they bring. Hopefully not the USA invades Canada scenario. We’d get rolled.
Canadian Tires have gun ranges???
At least one does haha
You dont train to fight in a war against america, you train to fight in an insurgency.
Americans have no stomach for occupation, they pissed and moaned and ultimately surrendered to the Taliban, and that was on the other side of the world. and the cultures and appearances were so different they might as well have been Aliens.
They’d cry “terrorism” every day of the week, but the Americans would be torn to shreds by Insurgent activity on both sides of the border if they betrayed us. Much like how the Russians marched into the land of their “brothers” with assault rifles, and then wondered why people speaking their language who looked like them, were suddenly killing them all over Russia.
They once said that Ukraine would get absolutely rolled by Russia within 3 days, 2 weeks tops.
Never underestimate a pissed off underdog, especially when fealty to the US President is nowhere near as “strong” / co-opted as in the Russian Federation.
Sure, but Canada doesn’t have the budget to match the mega trillion dollar army the U.S. has.
However, I doubt they would find enough recruits willing to go kill Canadians. They’d probably conscientiously object, except for a handful of bozos. Not to mention they’d probably get sanctioned by every fucking country around the world.
Conventionally Canada wouldn’t last more than a week. Unconventionally, the insurgency and resistance would tear America to peices. for the same reason Russia’s plan for Ukraine was braindead and unfeasible.
When the cultures and appearance of two peoples who are each others neighbors are virtually indistinguishable, the resistance will tear the occupying apart from within. Ukraine has the benefit of having Europe on its border to flood them with Arms, Canada wouldn’t have that luxury, the Government would surrender quite quickly, and be replaced with a Quisling government, However resistance against the occupation, the Americans wouldn’t know what to do as they’d spend just as much time accidentally hunting their own people, (and lets be real, if something like this happened, America would de-facto already be in a state of civil war as large population centers revolt against a Fascist autocracy that’s attacking its own people and America’s historical allies and friends for no other reason than plain old fascism)
Why are we giving a fuck about this guy?
Because, believe it or not, we can’t just toss these statements like they don’t matter. The leader of a world superpower, both military and economically, is threatening our sovereignty.
No he isn’t. He is directing our political choices as he does, with statements that enrage and divide.
Edit: and it’s obviously working.
internet and tv rotted peoples brains, been that way for about 10-15 years now. people cant help themselves
Because he is taking the helm of the most dangerous country of the West
the world in 2025 is multitudes more dangerous and volatile than the world the last time he was here. thats the issue.
We’ve seen an outbreak of inter-state war unlike anything since the 40s and 50s. With Russia and Ukraine And the rest of Europe, its the biggest state vs state conflict since Iran-Iraq in the 80s. and there are conflicts flaring up all over the world. Israel is going on a spree of settling every grudge they ever had, Syria as fallen, China is making final preparations for Taiwan, Azerbaijan looks like its going to invade Armenia, War is the hot topic of the 2020s.
Trump is an isolationist, if the world is going down in flames, he thinks it’s not unreasonable to suggest consolidating control over North America, just cuz.
And we know exactly what he is about. They’re just fueling the facist fire. There is a point where it becomes just more propoganda and that has happened long ago. This article has come up in CBC at least 3 times in the past several weeks.
If I was a CBC editor, I would tone it down, yes. If that’s what you meant, then I agree that we don’t have to platform every little media bait he tweets. But here’s Lemmy, there’s no editorial.
Don’t feed the trolls! He’s only repeating this because it got attention the last time he spewed this bs.
I like how he says “Many people in Canada LOVE being the 51st state”, where did he get that? any polls he did recently?
Let him talk as much he want, nothing he can do IMO.
He is manufacturing your consent for the takeover.
Anglo FLQ is going to be interesting.
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This.
Dictators love to pretend they are a saviour and use that pretext to invade and mutder
Those are meaningless questions to ask someone like Trump. It doesn’t matter and never will matter where he gets the statement. He just needs to never admit that he pulled that out of his ass, and accuse every fact checker of political bias or lying. Those are the rules in his playbook.
“Many” equals literally thousands
Thousands of idiots who would sell out their family for a red hat. all because they’re mad about bathroom signs.
if push came to shove, those people would be taken care of pretty violently.
He’s a turd. That is all.
You know, I never thought I would be praising Fallout for its prescience in predicting the future.
He obviously hasn’t thought it through. As one state, with a proportionate number of congressmen and electoral college votes, Canada would end up as the anti-Texas, dragging the political centre of gravity well into a Democratic majority. A Trumpist annexation would have to split Canada into two states, Alberta and the rest, as to gerrymander the outcome.
canada as a state and voting left, all else the same wrt u.s. presidential election process…
canada would have two senators, increasing the senate to 102 members. and in a reapportioned house, receive 44 seats, ‘taking’ 5 from california; 4 from tx; 3 from fl; 2 ea from il, ny, nc, pa; 1 ea from al, az, co, ct, ga, in, ks, ky, md, ma, mi, mn, mo, mt, ne, nj, oh, or, ri, sc, tn, va, wa, wi.
using 2024 state results (note: figuring ne and me would basically cancel each other out anyway and to keep my 2-minute spreadsheet simple, i just left those two states all-or-nothing), and assuming the great commonwealth of canada, now a u.s. state, would vote left…
looks like it woulda been 287 for r, 253 for d; with 271 needed to win.
just adding a state doesn’t change how electoral college votes are distributed, it’s still heavily skewed in favor of low-pop states because states get equal representation in the senate regardless of population. remember each member of congress… that’s house + senate… gives their state one ec vote. that’s why the hypothetical here doesn’t change the overall outcome.
if each province became a state instead… things might get ‘interesting’, then.
90% of the coutnry would be reorganized into “territories” with no representation, be given the Nestle/American Fruit Company treatment, turned into resource extraction zones ruled by Quisling Governors, and a few select urban areas might be granted something akin to early statehood, but it wouldnt get full rights for decades, after the population has been sufficiently assimilated and dissidents are killed.
, they can dress it up any way they want, but any scenario where two countries join and there is signifigant opposition and discontent within the population. it always ends up with death camps. See Russia’s “Filtration camps” in Ukraine.
Make no mistake, America taking over Canada in any way, is something to kill over. because they’re certainly gonna kill you or someone you love.
Don’t forget the territories
oh, i didn’t…
the territories are so small a population, taking them out (to be ‘left out’ like dc or puerto rico, or other u.s. territory–any of which is larger than any canadian territory by population) wouldn’t have changed anything.
but as states, they’d be, by far, the ‘best represented’ populations in congress and the electoral college. even nl and pei would be ‘over represented’ compared to wyoming (the lowest-pop state).
Assuming they have the grace to make us all citizens and allow us to vote. I’m not holding my breath.
At least we’d be a state unlike poor Puerto Rico
Gotta love checks notes taxation without representation?
Don’t worry I think that pesky voting process is a thing of the past.
If Canada agreed to become the 51rst state, by that time it’d be Texas.
You mean that country that regularly elects Conservative majorities, with a lower overall population than California?
Funny, when he recently was announced to be changing political roles I drug out of storage and doubled down on a Never Buy or Vacation in USA idea.
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