So far, Starfield is an awesome game, but now I have an urge to pick up my character on no man sky, and I’m having trouble putting that game down right now.
Anyone else experienced this for example urge to play another space game?
I should preface this by saying that I am extremely underwhelmed with starfield, but I’ve been going back to playing space engineers for my sci fi exploration cravings. Everything i was looking forward to in starfield seems to be compromise after compromise, tied together by loading screens. And the setting looks good on paper but really can’t draw me in.
At least in SE, outdated and poorly optimized as it may be, I am loading into the map once and then could fly from earth to the most remote planet without a single interruption (except real life sleep maybe, because it would take literal hours to make the trip without a jump drive).
Se for me has exactly the same issue as NMS. No story, no person-to-person combat, no side quests. Just an empty world you’re expected to populate yourself I guess. Starfield definitely doesn’t do that as well, it isn’t as much a Minecraft style sandbox. If nms or se had quests and story, I might not like starfield this much… but they don’t, and there really isn’t another space sim that also provides a decent shooter and rpg while having a nice open world.
Depending on when you player, it’s generally a very different game every 2 years or so, but it’s still not perfect. I actually just posted a big rant about it upthread.
I love NMS but I’m so afraid to log in. I’ve had a huge underground base (max terrain manipulation) for like 5 years even though people say never to dig out a base because eventually it will get filled in. So I feel like I’m rolling the dice every time I load in. I have hours of videos of me just running around my base across the different patches, where the flora/fauna in the connected cave system changed each time.
I really like NMS, they’re very different games. NMS gets very sandboxy and end game ends up farming the best stuff and upgrading it all. The process is pretty fun tho and that’s the main gameplay loop.
sort of? are you saying you just really like both, or no man’s sky makes you want to play starfield? either way it’s all good, it was just a head scratcher for me.
I think it can’t be overstated how good VR is in NMS too. There’s so much attention to immersion, even some things that bugged me at first like the mime controls for ground vehicles.
It wasn’t that great at first, but they did an update for vr that improved it so much. I don’t play it on VR, but my partner does and I’ve peeked in on his game not long ago and was kind of amazed at how much better it is now. Really feels like being in a ship flying around.
I literally bought No Man’s Sky while waiting for Starfield. I’ve been playing No Man’s Sky for two weeks now and I just can’t put it down because it’s so good.
Now I’m planning to wait to buy Starfield for at least 6+ months until the developers iron out the bugs.
Trying to get to the center of the universe in Perma Death mode was one of the best gaming experiences I can remember. It took so much dedication and patience to finally get to the end (hint, play the main quests).
That was the same for me, but reverse. I tried to play No Man’s Sky to get hyped for Starfield, but they’re just such different games doing different things and one doesn’t appeal to me as much as the other.
What I find funny is so many people saying “starfield is so open but there’s nothing to do.” But for some reason, no man’s sky has “so much to do.” Every planet is basically completely barren or has one of the same four types of points of interest as every other planet
Don’t get me wrong, I really enjoyed no man’s sky and starfield does have surprisingly barren places, but to say NMS has “more to do” is patently absurd.
Comparing them generally just reveals people’s preferences/loyalties as opposed to anything useful about either game.
Starfield has made me very disappointed with the planet designs in NMS, unfortunately. Like, a lot of it boils down to “This planet has purple dirt, but this other planet over here has blue dirt and is cold!” and they’re always one biome only. In Starfield, one planet can have several different biomes realistically spread out (like snow/ice region on the polar caps, etc.), and it also has a bigger pool of structures to pull from. I last played No Man’s Sky a year or so ago, and it always felt like there were only a handful of structures that could generate on a planet.
I agree, but I think if I had stuff to do there, I wouldn’t mind. The thing is there just isn’t, the game is so shallow and the writing is so boring. I shouldn’t like starfield this much except I have been primed to want this since NMS came.
The only real, genuine fun and joy I’ve gotten from the game is the talk with BDG’s cameo character. He actually sounds like he’s having fun with his lines.
One of the weirdest bits there is that they have a fairly interesting and robust system of learning alien languages, but then quest gives always give quests in your native language so there’s no reward for learning the alien stuff at all.
And of course all the quests are basic fetch quests, because there is nothing in the game resembling a dungeon or combat arena, and no real enemies you can fight (alien bugs or sentinels, wee)
Hmm, I’m not sure I agree with you that it’s interesting. I remember spending boring hours clicking on aliens to ask them a word from their language, with no indication I’d actually talked to that alien already and learned its word.
I agree that learning the languages are pointless though.
I really don’t get it to be honest, I’m left saying “damn I can’t wait for the weekend to play starfield longer because there’s so much to do” I don’t have enough time to do what I want in any given weeknight. I’ve been absolutely obsessed with starfield…
I got the early release and had a 4 day weekend, my play time was measured in days by Tuesday…
And here I am deliberately working my way though Origins->Odyssey->Valhalla so that I can completely ignore Starfield for a while until the hype train settles down and some bugs are fixed :-). I keep my eye on NMS (I was a Day 1ish player) but I feel it is soooo wide and soooo shallow it would just bore me to tears now.
If you don’t like base building, you’re opinion on NMS probably won’t change. I still enjoy it and fire it up a couple times a year, but the gameplay loops haven’t fundamentally changed and the survival elements are still pretty loose. I haven’t played the most recent updates from this year yet though.
I posted a shorter version of this elsewhere in here but I’ve thought more and want to expand.
Disclaimer: I really like both no man’s sky and starfield. Gonna be down on both of them but I’ve got hundreds of hours in NMS and I expect to have hundreds more in SF, they are both good games, I have no regrets about buying either of them.
That said, I’ve realized that starfield is actually making me low-key kind of angry at NMS, for all the potential it wasted. It’s showing just how little extra depth NMS could have used (could still use) to be great. There are really only a couple fairly minor ways that starfield is better, and yet for me and I think a lot of people they spell the difference between “fun sandbox” and “awesome game”. Starfield is so shallow on all of these that despite being the first game to really deliver on the promise of an open world space RPG sandbox, it’s like a wish-dot-com version of what nms could be.
First, combat. Nms has all right space combat, nothing great but acceptable, but there’s no excusing its ground combat. There’s effectively one enemy, they’re not really designed to be fought most of the time, and they’re almost never involved in battles of any meaning. The combat overhaul added some mechanics but didn’t solve the problem… in a way it’s worse now because fighting seems like it could be interesting. How come when I find a trading post it’s never a ruin overrun by pirates, with scattered notes from the lost inhabitants, written in their native language so that if I can speak it I can read their sad story? Why don’t I ever find a detail of gek security bots defending the inner chambers of a crashed frigate? Why can’t I have a shootout with the crew of a frigate on board its procedurally generated interior?
That leads into the issue that there’s no story at all. People complain about the main quest of SF, but nms has one of the flimsiest, poorest written central plots of any game I’ve ever seen. That would be okay, but there are also no side quests. You can’t stumble upon an abandoned mine, or have a spacer randomly ask you to help break a blockade of their home system. There are a tiny number of very shallow fetch quests, but nothing with even a hint of effort in the writing.
I get a bit annoyed at starfield for systems not interacting. Like, i have a house, but I can’t build outpost buildings around it, eg. However, NMS takes that to extremes with how outpost building, village building, and frigate building all seem like they’re actively hostile to each other, as if coming from different games. IIRC even some of the outpost components won’t properly snap together if they’re from different ‘styles’ of outpost, although I may be misremembering.
Add to that that there’s also not a lot of gear collecting mechanics, minimal ways to display loot, minimal character customisation, and so on, and it’s just… sigh. Everything nms does feels like it falls just short of being amazing, but they get bored right before completing the last step to bring it all home and then they go work on another system that they’ll get 3/4 through and then abandon. I wish it had mods.
Meanwhile, starfield doesn’t do any individually thing particularly well either, but unlike NMS, it feels like I can do stuff with what I make. I can build a ship… and then take it smuggling! Or fight pirates! I can have NPCs on board and they’ll chat with each other while I’m flying around, and help run the ship! They’re not all well written, but they’re actually written, and do more than just stand around saying one line back at me. It’s frustrating, because honestly, taken on its own, starfield isn’t particularly remarkable (see how bland space travel is eg) but there’s nothing out there that’s actually gone the very obvious extra mile of “okay we have beautiful worlds to explore, what if now we put some things to do on them”
Really wants to play Starfield but probably won’t have the necessary hardware for at least a year.
Is an old Bethsoft fan, having played, and thoroughly enjoyed, every TES game from Daggerfall to Online, excepting only Battlespire and the phone games.
Has been jonesing for some space sandbox for probably a decade at least.
I’m not sure. It’s a good game, but the fun you can have in it is more Minecraft style than Bethesda style. If you want that, then it’s probably worth a try
NMS is super janky in spots… but it pulls off a whole lot of awesome things I can’t do anywhere else, so I tolerate all the junk and loading stutters and fading in geometry…
I keep trying NMS hoping to find a good game in there somewhere. I’m over 100 hours now, mostly because I’m a dork who likes collecting spaceships.
But all the mechanics – the crafting and movement and languages and even the terrain generation – are frankly pretty terrible. It’s like Hello Games intentionally hired people who don’t know how to design these things.
Why do all the space stations look identical inside? Why do I have to learn one single alien word at a time, including “a” and “the”? Why are there no rivers or waterfalls or glaciers or swamp basins? And why can’t I customize my ship appearance when the game itself can clearly generate one from a dozen random parts?
Honestly I agree. I think it’s a great game though, at least what it has become, but I think I keep getting disappointed with certain things that are just an issue with the core mechanics of the game. There’s only so much value to adding tons of content if the game is dull at its core.
I have over 350 hours in NMS but every time I try to pick it back up I realize why I stopped before.
I keep forgetting I have X4. Loved X3. Hated Rebirth. Got X4 after joining a thread about it and thinking they were talking about Rebirth, and then proceeded to never actually play it lol
I’m waiting for patches, mods, and a sale before playing Starfield, but it did get me thinking about space games, which led me to purchase KSP. I’m really loving it. I used to play a game called Spaceflight Simulator until the dev fucked over the entire player base that supported him since his game released. That game was basically the same concept as KSP in sandbox mode but in 2D. Making the jump to 3D graphics/physics has been really cool, and I’m glad to have filled the hole in my heart SFS left.
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I should preface this by saying that I am extremely underwhelmed with starfield, but I’ve been going back to playing space engineers for my sci fi exploration cravings. Everything i was looking forward to in starfield seems to be compromise after compromise, tied together by loading screens. And the setting looks good on paper but really can’t draw me in.
At least in SE, outdated and poorly optimized as it may be, I am loading into the map once and then could fly from earth to the most remote planet without a single interruption (except real life sleep maybe, because it would take literal hours to make the trip without a jump drive).
Se for me has exactly the same issue as NMS. No story, no person-to-person combat, no side quests. Just an empty world you’re expected to populate yourself I guess. Starfield definitely doesn’t do that as well, it isn’t as much a Minecraft style sandbox. If nms or se had quests and story, I might not like starfield this much… but they don’t, and there really isn’t another space sim that also provides a decent shooter and rpg while having a nice open world.
I got extremely bored and frustrated playing NMS. I’m glad other people like it, but for whatever reason it felt like an unrewarding slog for me.
Depending on when you player, it’s generally a very different game every 2 years or so, but it’s still not perfect. I actually just posted a big rant about it upthread.
I love NMS but I’m so afraid to log in. I’ve had a huge underground base (max terrain manipulation) for like 5 years even though people say never to dig out a base because eventually it will get filled in. So I feel like I’m rolling the dice every time I load in. I have hours of videos of me just running around my base across the different patches, where the flora/fauna in the connected cave system changed each time.
All the NMS comparisons that I’ve heard are also making me want to play it again too, lol
I really like NMS, they’re very different games. NMS gets very sandboxy and end game ends up farming the best stuff and upgrading it all. The process is pretty fun tho and that’s the main gameplay loop.
Opposite for me, NMS made spend nearly days of game time so far into Starfield, NMS too hectic I feel.
sorry? I can’t parse this comment at all
NMS, Starfield good, for me that is. Does that compute matey?
sort of? are you saying you just really like both, or no man’s sky makes you want to play starfield? either way it’s all good, it was just a head scratcher for me.
you are not alone, some Bethesda bot not using chatgpt properly.
I think it can’t be overstated how good VR is in NMS too. There’s so much attention to immersion, even some things that bugged me at first like the mime controls for ground vehicles.
It wasn’t that great at first, but they did an update for vr that improved it so much. I don’t play it on VR, but my partner does and I’ve peeked in on his game not long ago and was kind of amazed at how much better it is now. Really feels like being in a ship flying around.
I think it works really well with the game’s commitment to diegetic UI too. Really feel like NMS is something special.
I literally bought No Man’s Sky while waiting for Starfield. I’ve been playing No Man’s Sky for two weeks now and I just can’t put it down because it’s so good.
Now I’m planning to wait to buy Starfield for at least 6+ months until the developers iron out the bugs.
Iron out the bugs? That would be an improvement compared to Skyrim.
Trying to get to the center of the universe in Perma Death mode was one of the best gaming experiences I can remember. It took so much dedication and patience to finally get to the end (hint, play the main quests).
NMS is the only game I ever got 100% on.
That was the same for me, but reverse. I tried to play No Man’s Sky to get hyped for Starfield, but they’re just such different games doing different things and one doesn’t appeal to me as much as the other.
What I find funny is so many people saying “starfield is so open but there’s nothing to do.” But for some reason, no man’s sky has “so much to do.” Every planet is basically completely barren or has one of the same four types of points of interest as every other planet
Don’t get me wrong, I really enjoyed no man’s sky and starfield does have surprisingly barren places, but to say NMS has “more to do” is patently absurd.
Comparing them generally just reveals people’s preferences/loyalties as opposed to anything useful about either game.
Starfield has made me very disappointed with the planet designs in NMS, unfortunately. Like, a lot of it boils down to “This planet has purple dirt, but this other planet over here has blue dirt and is cold!” and they’re always one biome only. In Starfield, one planet can have several different biomes realistically spread out (like snow/ice region on the polar caps, etc.), and it also has a bigger pool of structures to pull from. I last played No Man’s Sky a year or so ago, and it always felt like there were only a handful of structures that could generate on a planet.
Playing starfield is making me realize all I really wanted from NMS was some coherent side quests, actual combat, and a ship builder.
I want more procedurally generated planet variety too. They start feeling very samey after awhile.
I agree, but I think if I had stuff to do there, I wouldn’t mind. The thing is there just isn’t, the game is so shallow and the writing is so boring. I shouldn’t like starfield this much except I have been primed to want this since NMS came.
Yeah… getting involved in town problems or local faction quests always felt really uninspired unfortunately.
The only real, genuine fun and joy I’ve gotten from the game is the talk with BDG’s cameo character. He actually sounds like he’s having fun with his lines.
One of the weirdest bits there is that they have a fairly interesting and robust system of learning alien languages, but then quest gives always give quests in your native language so there’s no reward for learning the alien stuff at all.
And of course all the quests are basic fetch quests, because there is nothing in the game resembling a dungeon or combat arena, and no real enemies you can fight (alien bugs or sentinels, wee)
Hmm, I’m not sure I agree with you that it’s interesting. I remember spending boring hours clicking on aliens to ask them a word from their language, with no indication I’d actually talked to that alien already and learned its word.
I agree that learning the languages are pointless though.
I really don’t get it to be honest, I’m left saying “damn I can’t wait for the weekend to play starfield longer because there’s so much to do” I don’t have enough time to do what I want in any given weeknight. I’ve been absolutely obsessed with starfield…
I got the early release and had a 4 day weekend, my play time was measured in days by Tuesday…
So far I’m still just hooked on starfield, just stole my first ship from some colonisers
And here I am deliberately working my way though Origins->Odyssey->Valhalla so that I can completely ignore Starfield for a while until the hype train settles down and some bugs are fixed :-). I keep my eye on NMS (I was a Day 1ish player) but I feel it is soooo wide and soooo shallow it would just bore me to tears now.
Really enjoying Valhalla…
If you don’t like base building, you’re opinion on NMS probably won’t change. I still enjoy it and fire it up a couple times a year, but the gameplay loops haven’t fundamentally changed and the survival elements are still pretty loose. I haven’t played the most recent updates from this year yet though.
I posted a shorter version of this elsewhere in here but I’ve thought more and want to expand.
Disclaimer: I really like both no man’s sky and starfield. Gonna be down on both of them but I’ve got hundreds of hours in NMS and I expect to have hundreds more in SF, they are both good games, I have no regrets about buying either of them.
That said, I’ve realized that starfield is actually making me low-key kind of angry at NMS, for all the potential it wasted. It’s showing just how little extra depth NMS could have used (could still use) to be great. There are really only a couple fairly minor ways that starfield is better, and yet for me and I think a lot of people they spell the difference between “fun sandbox” and “awesome game”. Starfield is so shallow on all of these that despite being the first game to really deliver on the promise of an open world space RPG sandbox, it’s like a wish-dot-com version of what nms could be.
First, combat. Nms has all right space combat, nothing great but acceptable, but there’s no excusing its ground combat. There’s effectively one enemy, they’re not really designed to be fought most of the time, and they’re almost never involved in battles of any meaning. The combat overhaul added some mechanics but didn’t solve the problem… in a way it’s worse now because fighting seems like it could be interesting. How come when I find a trading post it’s never a ruin overrun by pirates, with scattered notes from the lost inhabitants, written in their native language so that if I can speak it I can read their sad story? Why don’t I ever find a detail of gek security bots defending the inner chambers of a crashed frigate? Why can’t I have a shootout with the crew of a frigate on board its procedurally generated interior?
That leads into the issue that there’s no story at all. People complain about the main quest of SF, but nms has one of the flimsiest, poorest written central plots of any game I’ve ever seen. That would be okay, but there are also no side quests. You can’t stumble upon an abandoned mine, or have a spacer randomly ask you to help break a blockade of their home system. There are a tiny number of very shallow fetch quests, but nothing with even a hint of effort in the writing.
I get a bit annoyed at starfield for systems not interacting. Like, i have a house, but I can’t build outpost buildings around it, eg. However, NMS takes that to extremes with how outpost building, village building, and frigate building all seem like they’re actively hostile to each other, as if coming from different games. IIRC even some of the outpost components won’t properly snap together if they’re from different ‘styles’ of outpost, although I may be misremembering.
Add to that that there’s also not a lot of gear collecting mechanics, minimal ways to display loot, minimal character customisation, and so on, and it’s just… sigh. Everything nms does feels like it falls just short of being amazing, but they get bored right before completing the last step to bring it all home and then they go work on another system that they’ll get 3/4 through and then abandon. I wish it had mods.
Meanwhile, starfield doesn’t do any individually thing particularly well either, but unlike NMS, it feels like I can do stuff with what I make. I can build a ship… and then take it smuggling! Or fight pirates! I can have NPCs on board and they’ll chat with each other while I’m flying around, and help run the ship! They’re not all well written, but they’re actually written, and do more than just stand around saying one line back at me. It’s frustrating, because honestly, taken on its own, starfield isn’t particularly remarkable (see how bland space travel is eg) but there’s nothing out there that’s actually gone the very obvious extra mile of “okay we have beautiful worlds to explore, what if now we put some things to do on them”
Would you recommend NMS to someone who:
Really wants to play Starfield but probably won’t have the necessary hardware for at least a year.
Is an old Bethsoft fan, having played, and thoroughly enjoyed, every TES game from Daggerfall to Online, excepting only Battlespire and the phone games.
Has been jonesing for some space sandbox for probably a decade at least.
I’m not sure. It’s a good game, but the fun you can have in it is more Minecraft style than Bethesda style. If you want that, then it’s probably worth a try
NMS is super janky in spots… but it pulls off a whole lot of awesome things I can’t do anywhere else, so I tolerate all the junk and loading stutters and fading in geometry…
I keep trying NMS hoping to find a good game in there somewhere. I’m over 100 hours now, mostly because I’m a dork who likes collecting spaceships.
But all the mechanics – the crafting and movement and languages and even the terrain generation – are frankly pretty terrible. It’s like Hello Games intentionally hired people who don’t know how to design these things.
Why do all the space stations look identical inside? Why do I have to learn one single alien word at a time, including “a” and “the”? Why are there no rivers or waterfalls or glaciers or swamp basins? And why can’t I customize my ship appearance when the game itself can clearly generate one from a dozen random parts?
Honestly I agree. I think it’s a great game though, at least what it has become, but I think I keep getting disappointed with certain things that are just an issue with the core mechanics of the game. There’s only so much value to adding tons of content if the game is dull at its core.
I have over 350 hours in NMS but every time I try to pick it back up I realize why I stopped before.
Absolutely; if I buy Starfield it’ll be like a year from now. But all the hype around it has reminded me that I haven’t played NMS for a while.
X4 is another space game that I’ve been wanting to get back to.
I’m currently going through X4 and I don’t feel the need for Starfield, tbh
I keep forgetting I have X4. Loved X3. Hated Rebirth. Got X4 after joining a thread about it and thinking they were talking about Rebirth, and then proceeded to never actually play it lol
I’m waiting for patches, mods, and a sale before playing Starfield, but it did get me thinking about space games, which led me to purchase KSP. I’m really loving it. I used to play a game called Spaceflight Simulator until the dev fucked over the entire player base that supported him since his game released. That game was basically the same concept as KSP in sandbox mode but in 2D. Making the jump to 3D graphics/physics has been really cool, and I’m glad to have filled the hole in my heart SFS left.